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, Gail
Futoran wrote:

"Kim" wrote in message
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I think I must be on every mailing list related to
roses. A large
percentage of my bookmarks are websites that are in some
way or another
related to roses. I don't think I have bought anything
new for the garden
that wasn't a rose in the last couple years. Nothing
beats the satisfaction
of growing beautiful roses. I am officially obsessed.

Mike
z8TX

Mike, do you have any links to sites that might show the
general shape of a
bush once it's "fully grown"? Please see example of what
I'm talking about at
the link below.


http://www.vintagegardens.com/cgi-bi...l?id=65b1ia63c
8fa (search link)
and put in "The Fairy" and once it comes up, select the
bush style of the rose.
Once you've done that, there is a drawing on the page that
shows several
"appearences" of bushes, and "The Fairy" is #2 in that
group.

I'm looking for this info because I'm getting ready to
plant my first rose bed
in a week (zone 6, northern panhandle of WV) or so and
since I know very little
about roses (yet) I figured I'd ask you folks on the rose
group.

The plants will arrive by the end of next week so I need
to know which one will
go where, based on how it might "grow up".

The bed in question is hexagonal, with 6' sides. I will
be putting in 7 roses

George Burns
Intrigue
Lavaglut
Margaret Merril
Easy Going
The Fairy
Baby Grand

This mini is 12 inches tall and very upright.

Here's one link to a picture and description of
a mature "The Fairy":
http://members.fortunecity.com/cnett...ur/thefairy.ht
ml

Here's a very well grown The Fairy, maybe more than one plant:
http://home.earthlink.net/~berndoodl...es/Garden5.htm

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, Kim asked me:

Mike, do you have any links to sites that might show the general shape of a
bush once it's "fully grown"? Please see example of what I'm talking about at
the link below.

Hi Kim,

I'm sorry to say you have me stumped. I can't think of a site that has
photos or drawings of the mature form of a large variety of roses. It's hit
and miss with vendor sites - they sometimes show a shot of the entire
plant, but mostly stick with close-ups of the blooms. Non-vendor sites that
I've bookmarked are mostly specific to a particular "type" of rose, such as
Old Garden Roses or Austins. Or they relate to the care of roses, or have
lots of beautiful photographs (again, focusing on the blooms) of roses. I
would say that a site like you're hoping to find would be very useful,
though. Maybe someone else here knows of one?

Here's one I've known about for years. It's where I found out just what my
John Cabot was. At that point I had completely forgotten what the rose's name
was so I had to search for it totally by looking at pictures and going on the
comment that it was hardy in cold areas.

http://www.oldheirloomroses.com/

They have quite a few pictures on their site of the "full" rose bushes.
Picture quality isn't superb -- looks like some of them were blown up a bit too
much -- but there are quite a lot of "natural" looking photos of full bushes to
look at.

I can tell you most floribundas tend to be medium size plants (about 4 feet
tall,) and a little wider than they are tall. The Fairy is a polyantha, it
will be a little shorter, not much - still a medium sized plant, and about
as wide as it is tall. The overall form will be very similiar to your
floribundas. Baby Grand is a miniature and will be the shortest plant by
far. Probably about a foot and a half tall and not as wide. This is
generally speaking, some floribundas are a little taller than others, etc.
I believe most of your roses will be around the same size and shape at
maturity, save the Baby Grand. Intrigue will probably be a little taller
than the other floribundas. The Fairy will probably be a little shorter
than your floribundas.

When I was doing my online shopping in January I used 'Fork 'n Spade' for
looking up info on the roses I was considering. They had one part of their
listing for height & habitat. I'll show you what they said about the ones I
ordered:

George Burns - 4', Rounded
Intrigue - 4', Bushy
Lavaglut - 4', Upright
Margaret Merril - 4', Upright
Easy Going - 4', Rounded
The Fairy - 2', Bushy
Baby Grand - 2', Compact, Bushy

Now what the heck are the definitions of "Rounded", "Bushy", and "Upright"? I
had a vague picture in my mind of what I thought they were, but now I have no
clue, since I've gone out and looked for the same roses at other sites and have
gotten different dimensions (for instance, one place said George might get to
5' high).

Since some of these roses are pretty well known, can somebody possibly tell me
if the above descriptions are anywhere close to accurate, and what they
actually mean? It would make things alot easier on me to have a good mind's
eye picture.

some pruning

Sorry I couldn't give you better information. I hope this gives you some
idea, though - and try helpmefind. It will at least provide you with the
mature height of all your roses. Since all but two of your roses are
floribundas, they will all have similiar form, so you should be able to
figure out your design by finding out which floribunda should grow the
tallest and placing it in the center, and then arranging the others by
bloom color with your miniature Baby Grand as an accent.

A little bit of advice - you might end up wanting to get one or two
additional Baby Grands to balance out your design. Two or three of them,
either grouped together or strategically placed around the outside edge of
your design, might look better than just one with all those other
relatively tall roses. You could fit two or three miniatures in the space
you have reserved for one average-sized rose.

Ummm...after rethinking the Baby Grand I decided it would make a good Mother's
Day present. g Mom will be putting in a boatload of minis this year
(purchased from I have no clue where) and perhaps this Baby will become the
focal point of this year's gardening effort.

To replace it, I got a J&P "Cherish" at the co-op. Yes, I realize it'll be one
bare root rose amongst the 6 container roses in the bed, but it will be
interesting to see how it does in comparison. It claims it's a Grade 1, and
has a few leaves starting on it now.

Unfortunately it has to wait until the others get here to go in the ground.
I'm feeling a bit timid about ripping the box off of it and plunking it into a
bucket of water. This may sound silly, but where should the bucket be stored,
once the rose is in it? Indoors? Outdoors? On the sun porch? In the
garage/shed? Never having done this I don't know where to put it to hold until
the others arrive.

--

Kim

"We have done so much with so little for so long that now we can do anything
with nothing." -- Dave Marcis

In article ,
says...

The plants will arrive by the end of next week so I need
to know which one will
go where, based on how it might "grow up".

The bed in question is hexagonal, with 6' sides. I will
be putting in 7 roses

George Burns
Intrigue
Lavaglut
Margaret Merril
Easy Going
The Fairy
Baby Grand

Here's one link to a picture and description of
a mature "The Fairy":
http://members.fortunecity.com/cnett...ur/thefairy.ht
ml

Very pretty shot of her, Gail. It's a bit more spreading than I thought at
first. How much smaller can she be pruned down to, do you think? (width wise)
I may not be saying that right so I hope you know what I mean.

--

Kim

"We have done so much with so little for so long that now we can do anything
with nothing." -- Dave Marcis

In article ,
says...

The plants will arrive by the end of next week so I need
to know which one will
go where, based on how it might "grow up".

The bed in question is hexagonal, with 6' sides. I will
be putting in 7 roses

George Burns
Intrigue
Lavaglut
Margaret Merril
Easy Going
The Fairy
Baby Grand
[snip]

I've had a George Burns for about 4 years.
First planted in a raised bed, never did well,
transplanted to a container (about a year ago)
and is doing much better but still acts more like
a mini. It is (for me) a very low grower - about 6"
"tall" - and about 12" wide at its widest. It blooms
reliably but not profusely, getting at most a couple
of blooms at once, and more often only one bloom
at a time. Although right now, the spring flush
has 6 blooms or buds at one time.

6 inches by 12 inches? All I can visualize is a bonsai rose! Is there any
practical limit as to how much smaller than expected a rose can be, and still
live healthily?

I'm on my second Intrigue, having killed off
the first somehow. It gets about 3' tall for
me and about 2' wide. It tends to bloom
reliably.

The others I don't have. I'm curious to know
experiences other rose growers have had
with these roses.

I will let you all have a running narrative of how my summer goes with mine.
Hope you experienced folk won't be bored with it!

--

Kim

"We have done so much with so little for so long that now we can do anything
with nothing." -- Dave Marcis

In article ,
says...

Here's a very well grown The Fairy, maybe more than one plant:
http://home.earthlink.net/~berndoodl...es/Garden5.htm

I surely hope that's more than one! Or else you can prune one down quite a
bit...

--

Kim

"We have done so much with so little for so long that now we can do anything
with nothing." -- Dave Marcis