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On Thu, 01 May 2003 09:10:15 +1000, Greenie LeBrun
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Reines des Violettes is a mostly thornless hybrid perpetual. It's not
a bad rose.

Or are you talking about some kind they are marketing as thornless?

If so, why would you want one?

saki wrote:

As mentioned, Reine des Violettes is pretty much thornless, as are climbers
like Zepherine Drouhin and the Banksia types (including Purezza).

I'd have to look closely but I think that Gruss an Aachen is also low-thorn
and makes a nice cut flower if that's the direction you'd like to go.

I would classify Zepherine Drouhin as "completely thornless" but Gruss
an Aachen is certainly not. It may have fewer thorns than some but the
thorns it has are still significant.

My ZD is a nice climber that's getting set for it's best show ever on a
new arbor I put up over the front walk. Last year the first flush was
in April. This year everything seems to be almost a month behind and
the buds are still very small.

There's a shot from April 20, 2002 he
http://www.dotrose.com/whatsinbloom/misc.php

And here's a page showing the state of our roses on April 24, 2003
http://www.dotrose.com/whatsinbloom/20030424_roses.php

Zepherine Drouhin is the second picture on each of those pages.

--
Henry

Shiva wrote:

On Thu, 01 May 2003 09:10:15 +1000, Greenie LeBrun
wrote:

Does any one know anything about these ?
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Reines des Violettes is a mostly thornless hybrid perpetual. It's not
a bad rose.

Or are you talking about some kind they are marketing as thornless?

If so, why would you want one?


They are a particular strain - I saw them recently at a garden show, I
think the strain name was Smooth Touch.

Why do I want to find out more? Age and thin skin -
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Zepherine and her daughter Kathleen Harrup, certainly, but another and
more neglected thornless climber is Amadis, which does repeat a bit and
is a magnificent rich purple - stems are red at first, which is lovely
in spring (like peony leaves). Golden Showers has few thorns.

By contrast, New Dawn and her family are LETHAL and I never do anything
to mine without spiking myself.

--
Jane Lumley

Daniel Hanna wrote in
home.com.au:

In saki wrote:
I'd have to look closely but I think that Gruss an Aachen is also low-
thorn and makes a nice cut flower if that's the direction you'd like
to go.

Not sure I'd agree with either of those comments, Saki! My Gruss has
thorns, and I wouldn' regard any cluster-flowered rose as ideal for
picking.

I realize that my standards for vase flowers are a little different from
most folks. :-) I don't have many long-stemmed flowers and make do with
smaller arrangements replicating cottage-garden-style-in-a-vase, if that
makes any sense.

Gruss an Aachen actually works well within this scheme; a cluster of Gruss,
a single Reine Victoria, a stem of some mini like Carolina Lady or Ruby,
some scented geraniums (in flower), a sprig or three or five of lavender
for background, and you have your arrangement. Keeping it low and full
seems to complement such a mix.

Some of my roses without substantive stems look nice floating singly or
doubly in a bowl of water, like a water lily. Gruss, Colette, Yantai and
even Purple Buttons work well this way.

My Gruss is almost thornless, but maybe I just got lucky.

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Greenie LeBrun wrote:
Shiva wrote:

On Thu, 01 May 2003 09:10:15 +1000, Greenie LeBrun
wrote:

Does any one know anything about these ?

Reines des Violettes is a mostly thornless hybrid perpetual. It's not
a bad rose.

I will second that. It is a fabulous rose out here.

Or are you talking about some kind they are marketing as thornless?

If so, why would you want one?

They are a particular strain - I saw them recently at a garden show, I
think the strain name was Smooth Touch.

Why do I want to find out more? Age and thin skin -

The Rosa Smooth series is spoken of very highly by a few people who I
know who have grown some of them - Monrovia is a very good nursery too,
though I have bought their plants only through other local nuseries and
have liked all of them:

http://www.monrovia.com/MonroviaWeb....256cae00805bc9!OpenDocument

--
Radika
California
USDA 9 / Sunset 15

I have one that is thornless. It has reddish purple canes, medium green
leaves and tons of light purple flowers. However, I have no clue what
it's named.

CJ

saki wrote:

I realize that my standards for vase flowers are a little different from
most folks. :-) I don't have many long-stemmed flowers and make do with
smaller arrangements replicating cottage-garden-style-in-a-vase, if that
makes any sense.

I am with you on this. Though I do have long-stemmed roses as well and
they are quite prolific, I enjoy these "cottage garden simulations in a
vase" arrangements more.

Gruss an Aachen actually works well within this scheme; a cluster of Gruss,
a single Reine Victoria, a stem of some mini like Carolina Lady or Ruby,
some scented geraniums (in flower), a sprig or three or five of lavender
for background, and you have your arrangement. Keeping it low and full
seems to complement such a mix.

Mmmmmm ..... yes, they do work beautifully. Into this mix, at this time
of year, I throw in spikes of Coral Bells as well, and since they do not
rebloom till the cool fal weather, this is the right time to enjoy them.
I also like weaving in a few blue picushion flowers and they add the
much needed blueness to the colour spectrum of roses.

BTW, D, do you have Comte de Chambord? His flowers work beautifully in
that scheme that you are describing, plus the fragrance is out of this
world.

Some of my roses without substantive stems look nice floating singly or
doubly in a bowl of water, like a water lily. Gruss, Colette, Yantai and
even Purple Buttons work well this way.

I have Gruss and PB, but not the other two, and I have to agree with
this description as well if we can include Sombreuil, Reine des
Violettes, Heritage, Fair Bianca, and The Pilgrim.

My Gruss is almost thornless, but maybe I just got lucky.

Oh aye, the stems of GaA are absolutely thornfree in our garden specimen
as well, but if I feel the back of the central-stem of the compound
leaf, I can see there are downward curved hooks, albeit small. Of
course, I do not normally go looking for thorniness there in any rose
except when I am removing the lower leaves in order to arrange the
flowers in a vase.

Hmmm ... my GaA needs to be moved to a better spot where I can look at
her more closely. It is getting lost in the middle of other minis some
of which are getting taller than her. Well, I do have a perfect spot for
her, and all it takes is the will to do it ...

--
Radika
California
USDA 9 / Sunset 15

Speaking of thorns, one of my favourite roses is the Barbara Bush rose. But,
my oh my, do I suffer from its massive thorns !

/z.

and this is not a metaphor :-)

Shiva wrote:

Greenie LeBrun wrote:

Shiva wrote:

On Thu, 01 May 2003 09:10:15 +1000, Greenie LeBrun
wrote:

Does any one know anything about these ?
--

Reines des Violettes is a mostly thornless hybrid perpetual. It's not
a bad rose.

Or are you talking about some kind they are marketing as thornless?

If so, why would you want one?


They are a particular strain - I saw them recently at a garden show, I
think the strain name was Smooth Touch.

Why do I want to find out more? Age and thin skin -

G Fair enough. But at your age you probably know to avoid gimmicky
things. Ever see the "Dream Roses?" Not in my dreams.

What do you like in a rose? Scent? A certain color? Bush shape? What? If
you can stand the floppy "Old Garden" rose look (sometimes called things
like "Grandmother's Cabbage Rose") you might like a rose called Paul
Neyron, which is, indeed, thornless. It is a dusky pink, makes HUGE
blooms, and has a lovely fragrance. It is nice for cutting.

Reine des Violettes is nice but a weird little rose. It grows in a
fountain shape, as though it would like to be a climber, here, and the
violet blooms are rather small, and the foliage is light grey green. It
has a lucious fragrance.

Good luck and if you find out about the Smoothies, let us know. Hope you
hang around and share, too.

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I have no actual preferences in colour or scent really but I do like
very dark reds and the coppery colours though as you can see I am not
stuck on them. A couple of my favorites are "Super Star" a vermillion
colur with a scent and "Tickled pink" a long lasting (up to a week in a
vase) long stemmed pink (obviously) highly scented rose.

I am moving away from the low bush styles to the two to three foot
standards as the ground seems to be getting further away each year ;-)
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On Mon, 05 May 2003 11:05:12 +1000, Greenie LeBrun
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I have no actual preferences in colour or scent really but I do like
very dark reds and the coppery colours


I don't know about thany thornless roses in these colors, but my
favorite (and only!) truly coppery colored rose is Pat Austin. It is
one of the David Austin roses, and so has the very heavy, cupped bloom
that nods. The fragrance is really interesting. Part rose, part myrrh.
I am growing mine on one of those obelisk things that stand maybe four
feet tall? The larger Austins grow like climbers here. This is one of
the truly distinctive Austins. Very orangy, very coppery, very shaded.
I love it.





though as you can see I am not
stuck on them. A couple of my favorites are "Super Star" a vermillion
colur with a scent and "Tickled pink" a long lasting (up to a week in a
vase) long stemmed pink (obviously) highly scented rose.


I don't know these roses. I always love scent, though.



I am moving away from the low bush styles to the two to three foot
standards as the ground seems to be getting further away each year ;-)


I do know what you mean. I like grandifloras, they are a nice cross
between hybrid teas and floribundas, can be gangly but you can keep
them shaped. The blooms grow in sprays, but as I mentioned elsewhere,
you can pinch out the sidebuds and get great, big, exhibition form
bloom from some of them. Gold Medal is a favorite, a very fragrant
medium sunny yellow with fine cerise edges that bleed just a little
into the yellow like the blush on a yellow delicious apple! It stays
about five feet tall and three feet wide.

And Lagerfeld, a rose with some problems that nevertheless gets good
in about four years, and produces lovely high centered, heavily
perfumed lavendar blooms. (True lavender, not mauve here.)

White Lightnin' is a fragant white grandiflora that is simply my very
favorite white rose. Informal bloom form, ruffly and fruity smelling
and delicious!

Then there is Jude the Obscure. If you can stand the deeply cupped
bloom form, just get it. There is no more strongly scented rose! And
the color is unusual. I call it "butterscotch." I guess it is apricot
but gets some pink tones. It will fill a room with fragrance, stays
about five feet tall and three feet wide with steady cutting for the
table. Delcious rose!




I'm not paranoid, I KNOW the whole world is out to get me.

Don't bother replying via email I am a fictitious entity.

In a5d0675aa3d8ab37a4237d7508ec9880@TeraNews Shiva wrote:
I don't know about thany thornless roses in these colors, but my
favorite (and only!) truly coppery colored rose is Pat Austin.

I am tossing up ordering a newer one, Benjamin Britten. Anyone grow
this Austin in the States? Not quite the same colour break as Pat
Austin, I know, but:

http://treloar-roses.com.au/files/be...%20britten.htm

Greenie LeBrun wrote:
Does any one know anything about these ?


Zephirine Drouhin.

Greetings,
Antis.

In article , antis
writes
Greenie LeBrun wrote:
Does any one know anything about these ?


Zephirine Drouhin.

And her daughter Kathleen Harrop, one of my favourites. Also lovely
purple Amadis, with amazing red canes, and of course Golden Showers
(though it isn't completely thornless).

My vote for worst for thorns? New Dawn. Lethal, like something in a
dungeon game.

Greetings,
Antis.


--
Jane Lumley