Fogging for insects with my Burgess Fogger? On ROSES?
I just purchased a Burgess Insect Fogger for $69.
I hear they are available at Home Depot and Wal Mart in certain Areas. It takes oil based insecticide and with a propane burner tank, turns it into a thick fog that can be broadcast around your home. Anyone used this on their roses? If so, what insecticide should I purchase to load into it? Is it safe? Is it smart? did it work as an effective replacement for standard spraying? Thanks! -Brendan |
Fogging for insects with my Burgess Fogger? On ROSES?
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Fogging for insects with my Burgess Fogger? On ROSES?
On 27 May 2003 14:07:30 -0700, (Brendan OMara)
wrote: My health aside, what makes you feel spraying your Orthonex is any safer/better than delivering .2% Resmethrin 1. You did not mention what you would be "fogging" with, let alone .2% Resmethrin, whatever that is. to my patio and house area with a fog, which is known to be more penetrating than spray but delivering the same basic bug killing properties? Just as using a very fine spray of bleach is not a good idea in cleaning bathrooms, because it is too easily inhaled, whereas a coarser spray is not, a smoke-based "fog" would be more easily breathed than my coarse spray of Orthenex. Even still, I use a respirator, eye protection, protective clothing, and say a little prayer. Seems like fogging "through" the roses is a good idea, that's what I was hoping someone could refect on, maybe someone's tried it? I sincerely hope not, but good luck with your search for information. Given the potency of insecticides alone, adding smoke simply cannot be good. Thanks! -Brendan (Shiva) wrote in message news:eaf54de7050d5bbf3c78908e44c2ca32@TeraNews.. . On 26 May 2003 23:45:41 -0700, (Brendan OMara) wrote: I just purchased a Burgess Insect Fogger for $69. I hear they are available at Home Depot and Wal Mart in certain Areas. It takes oil based insecticide and with a propane burner tank, turns it into a thick fog that can be broadcast around your home. Oh. My. God. You cannot be serious. If you are, the first thing you need to get is a respirator, the highest grade available. Then, look around at any other living things that might be in your yard, such as birds, etc., and kiss them good bye if you cannot confine them to your house. I am the Chemical Queen around here, (I spray with Orthenex every ten days) and I would not even mess with a fogger. My advice to you is to take that thing back. Anyone used this on their roses? If so, what insecticide should I purchase to load into it? Is it safe? Is it smart? did it work as an effective replacement for standard spraying? Thanks! -Brendan |
Fogging for insects with my Burgess Fogger? On ROSES?
bug killing properties? Seems like fogging "through" the
roses is a good idea, that's what I was hoping someone could refect on, maybe someone's tried it? Brendan, I've often thought about it. http://bugsource.com/fogmaster_jr.html I've lusted after this one for some time now. Several things stop me. I live in the bulls eye of tornado valley. Last year a class project @ our local school discovered that the wind around here is above 30 mph 8% of the time, 20-30 16% & 10-20 mph 27% of the time. Thats industrial grade wind there. Also I tend to spray the cornell mixture 90% of the time. I don't know how that would perform inside the fogger. Also I don't want to suit up when I spray the cornell mixture. I will have to w/ the fogger. Let us know how it goes. Is it a genuine fog of suspended particles or is it an aerosol/paint gun effect. There is a difference. -- Theo in Zone 5 Kansas City |
Fogging for insects with my Burgess Fogger? On ROSES?
On Tue, 27 May 2003 22:25:52 GMT, "Theo Asir"
wrote: Is it a genuine fog of suspended particles or is it an aerosol/paint gun effect. There is a difference. Can you tell me what the difference is, Theo? I didn't know there was one. -- Theo in Zone 5 Kansas City |
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Fogging for insects with my Burgess Fogger? On ROSES?
Is it a genuine fog of suspended particles or is it an aerosol/paint gun effect. There is a difference. Can you tell me what the difference is, Theo? I didn't know there was one. The one in nature consists of 100% humidity and sudden chilling of saturated air. In nature ideally all the fog particles will have the same size and charge so they do not immediately clump. Since this is not reproducible artificial fog machines use chemicals such as glycols to stabilize the particles once formed. The mixture is heat evaporated, slightly compressed & pushed out into the open where it quickly cools to form fog. Stabilization is needed because the particles are so small they will quickly evaporate even in 90% humidity. I'm not even gonna consider oil based fog. The aerosol effect tries to spray particles small enough. but the particle sizes are not even & there is no charge so they quickly clump and gravity takes over loosing the fog effect. The big down side with aerosol sprays is that the nozzles are extremely small. even the smallest particle will clog the nozzle. -- Theo in Zone 5 Kansas City |
Fogging for insects with my Burgess Fogger? On ROSES?
Coastal Farm Supply. It's funny to me how Shiva wants to
shoot things down when he/she doesn't even understand the physical pricipals and methods that make fogging a good method of spray delivery. Obviously I want to stay away from ingesting chemicals, but none of that was the question... nor is my choice of the potency of chemicals the question... I was hoping someone has already tried this approach of chemical delivery on ROSES, not start an argument over chemical safety and it's effect on the environment. You also make different choices on these types of things when you own farm land with no neighbors compared to some of you city folk, that's why I just want to learn about the roses. Thanks again for those of you who responded, anyone else tried this fogger method yet? "Theo Asir" wrote in message news:88cc1c32c66601a6db30184ee0722ebe@TeraNews.. . Is it a genuine fog of suspended particles or is it an aerosol/paint gun effect. There is a difference. Can you tell me what the difference is, Theo? I didn't know there was one. The one in nature consists of 100% humidity and sudden chilling of saturated air. In nature ideally all the fog particles will have the same size and charge so they do not immediately clump. Since this is not reproducible artificial fog machines use chemicals such as glycols to stabilize the particles once formed. The mixture is heat evaporated, slightly compressed & pushed out into the open where it quickly cools to form fog. Stabilization is needed because the particles are so small they will quickly evaporate even in 90% humidity. I'm not even gonna consider oil based fog. The aerosol effect tries to spray particles small enough. but the particle sizes are not even & there is no charge so they quickly clump and gravity takes over loosing the fog effect. The big down side with aerosol sprays is that the nozzles are extremely small. even the smallest particle will clog the nozzle. |
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Fogging for insects with my Burgess Fogger? On ROSES?
On Wed, 28 May 2003 13:53:11 GMT, "Theo Asir"
wrote: Is it a genuine fog of suspended particles or is it an aerosol/paint gun effect. There is a difference. Can you tell me what the difference is, Theo? I didn't know there was one. The one in nature consists of 100% humidity and sudden chilling of saturated air. In nature ideally all the fog particles will have the same size and charge so they do not immediately clump. Since this is not reproducible artificial fog machines use chemicals such as glycols to stabilize the particles once formed. The mixture is heat evaporated, slightly compressed & pushed out into the open where it quickly cools to form fog. Stabilization is needed because the particles are so small they will quickly evaporate even in 90% humidity. Thanks so much, Theo, I love getting a grasp of the science of things when I can. |
Fogging for insects with my Burgess Fogger? On ROSES?
Brendan OMara wrote:
Coastal Farm Supply. It's funny to me how Shiva wants to shoot things down when he/she doesn't even understand the physical pricipals and methods that make fogging a good method of spray delivery. Well, my initial reaction when I read what you wrote was that my neighbors would lynch me if I did something like that and with good reason. Too many small children and pets to do something like that. As to the comment about not understnading physical principles, well, you did bother to educate any of us. Like I said my initial reaction was no way is that a good idea. I had no idea there were two different methods and you didn't provide enough details on what method you were using or what chemicals you were planning to use. Obviously I want to stay away from ingesting chemicals, but none of that was the question... nor is my choice of the potency of chemicals the question... I was hoping someone has already tried this approach of chemical delivery on ROSES, not start an argument over chemical safety and it's effect on the environment. You also make different choices on these types of things when you own farm land with no neighbors compared to some of you city folk, that's why I just want to learn about the roses. Again, why did you not provide this info in the first place especially knowing how dangerous this can be if you don't have the ideal circumstances? My guess, you aren't familiar with usenet because if you were, you should have known you would get the reaction you got. And, if you weren't familiar, following the recommended advice of monitoring a group for a while to get the feel for it is not just good netiquette but also good advice. Susan shsimko at duke dot edu |
Fogging for insects with my Burgess Fogger? On ROSES?
Henry wrote:
The drifting of chemicals becomes more significant as the size of the particle decreases. A paper by Reeves Petroff, Pesticide Education Specialist at the Montana State University Extension Service [1] reports the distances covered by droplets of different sizes falling 10 feet in a 3 mph wind as follows (convert to fixed width font for easiest reading): Droplet Type Time Distance Covered by Diameter of Required to droplets falling 10 (Microns) Droplet Fall 10 Feet feet in a 3 mph wind --------- --------------- ------------ -------------------- 5 Fog 66 minutes 3 miles 20 Very Fine Spray 4.2 minutes 1,100 feet 100 Fine Spray 10 seconds 44 feet 240 Medium Spray 6 seconds 28 feet 400 Coarse Spray 2 seconds 8.5 feet 1,000 Fine Rain 1 second 4.7 feet Off the top of my head, I'd say my sprayer produces a mist that falls 10 feet in 5 to 10 seconds. So, in a 3 mph wind (which is a very light breeze) anything up to 44 feet away is likely to be reached. That's farther than I would have guessed but not by a lot. On the other hand, I would never have expected fog to travel up to three miles. That's certainly something to consider when applying something poisonous.[...] This is one time when my intuition corresponds with science. The tent idea is a good one, for anyone chancing it with a fogger. |
Fogging for insects with my Burgess Fogger? On ROSES?
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says... I just purchased a Burgess Insect Fogger for $69. I hear they are available at Home Depot and Wal Mart in certain Areas. It takes oil based insecticide and with a propane burner tank, turns it into a thick fog that can be broadcast around your home. Anyone used this on their roses? If so, what insecticide should I purchase to load into it? Is it safe? Is it smart? It's not safe and it's not smart, what the world definitely does NOT need is Weaponized Orthonex, no matter how many cute and/or patronizing answers you've received. With a fogger all the bozo chemwicks can be sure those poison particles infest and contaminate people two blocks away instead of just one. You don't want that crap LINGering in the air any longer than is 'necessary' to do its dirty disgusting business, whatever that is. m did it work as an effective replacement for standard spraying? Thanks! -Brendan -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
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