Hi,

Just popped in here to see if anybody could help me ID this unusual (to
me) rose. I thought they were raspberries and when I went back to
photograph them, I found out they were roses just growing wild. They
are just so charming I went back and took some cuttings.

http://home.earthlink.net/~agless/White_Roses.jpg

Would appreciate any help here or reference to a library book I could
consult.

Alice Gless wrote:

http://home.earthlink.net/~agless/White_Roses.jpg

What part of the country are these roses found in? Looks like it could
be rosa multiflora, which is an invasive species rose in much of the
eastern and central US. Here is a link to the HelpMeFind page on rosa
multiflora:

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/pl.php?n=5366

If you have other roses in your garden, this is not a rose you want to
have in your garden, as it is a carrier of a mite that might carry a
virus callede rose rosette, a rose disease that can kill your roses.

It is a very pretty rose, by the way, and has a sweet scent.

Cass wrote:
If you have other roses in your garden, this is not a rose you want to
have in your garden, as it is a carrier of a mite that might carry a
virus callede rose rosette, a rose disease that can kill your roses.

Actually, my understanding is that multiflora is considered to be more
susceptible to rose rosette than any other rose. If it is heathly, it
is unlikely to be carrying the disease.

--
Henry

Alice , First I must compliment on your talent as a photographer. I down
loaded the picture to use as a screen saver/wallpaper, truly a lovely pic.
What you have found wuld be discribed as a briar type rose---my guess is
that this was once a cultivated rose that went "ferrel" without any
cultivation-----pruning and the like.This will no doubt be a very hardy
plant . You can find bushes like this all over Britian where gardens are
left to go wild or the birds occasionally take the rose hips as food and
scatter them throughout the country side. Truly, a delightful find!
P.S. Tulsa, OK
"Alice Gless" wrote in message
...
Hi,

Just popped in here to see if anybody could help me ID this unusual (to
me) rose. I thought they were raspberries and when I went back to
photograph them, I found out they were roses just growing wild. They
are just so charming I went back and took some cuttings.

http://home.earthlink.net/~agless/White_Roses.jpg

Would appreciate any help here or reference to a library book I could
consult.

On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 07:54:15 -0400, Henry
wrote:

Cass wrote:
If you have other roses in your garden, this is not a rose you want to
have in your garden, as it is a carrier of a mite that might carry a
virus callede rose rosette, a rose disease that can kill your roses.

Actually, my understanding is that multiflora is considered to be more
susceptible to rose rosette than any other rose. If it is heathly, it
is unlikely to be carrying the disease.

--
Henry



Alice's rose is definitely rosa mulitflora!
I have read Ann of TN's warnings about rose rosette, but I still keep
a stand of multflora on the wild side of my yard because I like it. I
believe the original owner may have had a Cecile Brunner on multiflora
stock before I moved here. I remember seeing the small pink blooms
langusihing in the shade. I hacked it out with the rest of the
overgrown stuff, and the multiflora came up later.

Like the originator of this thread, I first thought it was a wild
berry vine. Then in bloomed and I love it. Very sweet smelling, and it
thrives in shade.

be rosa multiflora, which is an invasive species rose in much of the
eastern and central US. Here is a link to the HelpMeFind page on rosa

I disagree on the invasive term. Its got a bad
rap from farmers who can't look after
their fields properly. While it does have a million
seeds fairly regular haying usually dealls with that problem.

If you have other roses in your garden, this is not a rose you want to
have in your garden, as it is a carrier of a mite that might carry a
virus callede rose rosette, a rose disease that can kill your roses.

It doesn't actually carry the mite, just allows
it to spread as it forms the link between the wild
population and the cultivated population of roses.

Just to let you guys know Multiflora is starting to become
resistant to Rose Rosette. The first few resistant
strands have been found in South West Missouri.
This is very prelimnary but it seems fairly definite.

It is a very pretty rose, by the way, and has a sweet scent.

This I agree.

--
Theo in Zone 5
Kansas City

Cass,

Cass wrote:

Alice Gless wrote:

http://home.earthlink.net/~agless/White_Roses.jpg

What part of the country are these roses found in?

Eastern Iowa.

Looks like it could
be rosa multiflora, which is an invasive species rose in much of the
eastern and central US. Here is a link to the HelpMeFind page on rosa
multiflora:

I need something invasive in my yard :-). The consensus is that it is
indeed multiflora. I remember hearing talk about that rose when I was
young but never saw one that I linked to the name.



http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/pl.php?n=5366

If you have other roses in your garden, this is not a rose you want to
have in your garden, as it is a carrier of a mite that might carry a
virus callede rose rosette, a rose disease that can kill your roses.

Only have a couple left but I am wanting to try to propagate some Father
Hugo's roses and some other old ones I find. I'll just have to take my
chances on mites and the like.



It is a very pretty rose, by the way, and has a sweet scent.

Yes, I can't get over how beautiful it looks and smells.

Thank you for the comments, Theo. It looks like a very vigorous, healthy
specimin but it is still early in the season. I never knew what it looked
like before. I thought I had something very unusual there :-).

Theo Asir wrote:

be rosa multiflora, which is an invasive species rose in much of the
eastern and central US. Here is a link to the HelpMeFind page on rosa

I disagree on the invasive term. Its got a bad
rap from farmers who can't look after
their fields properly. While it does have a million
seeds fairly regular haying usually dealls with that problem.

If you have other roses in your garden, this is not a rose you want to
have in your garden, as it is a carrier of a mite that might carry a
virus callede rose rosette, a rose disease that can kill your roses.

It doesn't actually carry the mite, just allows
it to spread as it forms the link between the wild
population and the cultivated population of roses.

Just to let you guys know Multiflora is starting to become
resistant to Rose Rosette. The first few resistant
strands have been found in South West Missouri.
This is very prelimnary but it seems fairly definite.

It is a very pretty rose, by the way, and has a sweet scent.

This I agree.

--
Theo in Zone 5
Kansas City

I'm still learning, Robert. If you give me your monitor size I can make you
one with better resolution, if you like. I make mine 1024 and they don't
quite stretch to 768 but they work fine. For every good picture I manage to
get I get many that aren't so good, especially yesterday when it was
overcast. Sunny days are the best but if you wait for sun some of these
blooms will be fading.

It looked very hardy and that's part of the reason I was impressed with it.
It was competing with some black raspberries and they both seem to be holding
their own. Two of my favorite things.





Robert Odell wrote:

Alice , First I must compliment on your talent as a photographer. I down
loaded the picture to use as a screen saver/wallpaper, truly a lovely pic.
What you have found wuld be discribed as a briar type rose---my guess is
that this was once a cultivated rose that went "ferrel" without any
cultivation-----pruning and the like.This will no doubt be a very hardy
plant . You can find bushes like this all over Britian where gardens are
left to go wild or the birds occasionally take the rose hips as food and
scatter them throughout the country side. Truly, a delightful find!
P.S. Tulsa, OK
"Alice Gless" wrote in message
...
Hi,

Just popped in here to see if anybody could help me ID this unusual (to
me) rose. I thought they were raspberries and when I went back to
photograph them, I found out they were roses just growing wild. They
are just so charming I went back and took some cuttings.

http://home.earthlink.net/~agless/White_Roses.jpg

Would appreciate any help here or reference to a library book I could
consult.

In article 3ff04e712c0d7fd411a85483bcc0fd43@TeraNews, Theo Asir
wrote:

be rosa multiflora, which is an invasive species rose in much of the
eastern and central US. Here is a link to the HelpMeFind page on rosa

I disagree on the invasive term. Its got a bad
rap from farmers who can't look after
their fields properly. While it does have a million
seeds fairly regular haying usually dealls with that problem.

Then you haven't been in Pennsylvania in the end of May. Everywhere you
look, you will see multiflora blooming: by the side of the expressway,
in every vacant lot, in everyone's back yard, next to every parking
lot. It is the epitomy of invasive there.

"Cass" wrote in message
.. .
In article 3ff04e712c0d7fd411a85483bcc0fd43@TeraNews, Theo Asir
wrote:

be rosa multiflora, which is an invasive species rose in much of the
eastern and central US. Here is a link to the HelpMeFind page on rosa

I disagree on the invasive term. Its got a bad
rap from farmers who can't look after
their fields properly. While it does have a million
seeds fairly regular haying usually dealls with that problem.

Then you haven't been in Pennsylvania in the end of May. Everywhere you
look, you will see multiflora blooming: by the side of the expressway,
in every vacant lot, in everyone's back yard, next to every parking
lot. It is the epitomy of invasive there.

Its all space thats not getting looked after anyway.
Now you want a weed try the Japanese honesuckle.

This thing puts out a billion seeds
and can swallow houses.

http://tncweeds.ucdavis.edu/photos/lonja03.jpg


--
Theo in Zone 5
Kansas City

Shiva wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 07:54:15 -0400, Henry wrote:

Cass wrote:

If you have other roses in your garden, this is not a rose you want to
have in your garden, as it is a carrier of a mite that might carry a
virus callede rose rosette, a rose disease that can kill your roses.

Actually, my understanding is that multiflora is considered to be more
susceptible to rose rosette than any other rose. If it is heathly, it
is unlikely to be carrying the disease.

Alice's rose is definitely rosa mulitflora!

I never said it wasn't. My comment was aimed at the comment about not
wanting a multiflora because "it is a carrier of a mite that might carry
a virus...", not with the identification. It certainly looks like
multiflora to me.

--
Henry

Cass wrote:
In article 3ff04e712c0d7fd411a85483bcc0fd43@TeraNews, Theo Asir
wrote:


be rosa multiflora, which is an invasive species rose in much of the
eastern and central US. Here is a link to the HelpMeFind page on rosa

I disagree on the invasive term. Its got a bad
rap from farmers who can't look after
their fields properly. While it does have a million
seeds fairly regular haying usually dealls with that problem.


Then you haven't been in Pennsylvania in the end of May. Everywhere you
look, you will see multiflora blooming: by the side of the expressway,
in every vacant lot, in everyone's back yard, next to every parking
lot. It is the epitomy of invasive there.

I have to agree (strongly) with Cass on this point. I decided to see
what people have written about R. multiflora in different books I have.
Both David Austin and Grahap Thomas had lots of good things to say
about it. Then I got to Michael Dirr's "Manual of Woody Landscape
Plants." Dirr has a cassual style that I really like and his book is
quite a work (at nearly 1,200 pages).

Under the heading "Habit" he says, "A fountain with long, slender,
recurving branches; eventually forming an impenetrable tangle of brush
suitable only for burning." About its growth rate he says, "fast; too
fast for most farmers who have this species in their fields." His
description for "Culture" is, "Same as described under R. rugosa
although this species is more invasive; tolerates dry heavy soils very
well."

He goes on with an entry for "Landscape Value" of "None in the
residential landscape; has received a lot of attention for conservation
purposes; makes a good place for all the "critters" to hide, yet can be
a real nuisance for the birds deposit the seeds in fence rows and open
areas, and soon one has a jungle; use this species with the knowledge
that none of your gardening friends in the immediate vicinity will ever
speak to you again." Finally, he gives the folliwng "Additional Notes."
"Utilized as an understock for budding the highly domesticated
selections. Another species that appears resistant to black-spot and the
typical rose diseases. I cannot overemphasize the invasive and greedy
nature of this species. Have observed entire pastures/fields invaded and
captured by the plant."

I went out yesterday to the open area near my office and took a few
pictures of the roses there. I also found a pink flowering rose that
still looks a lot like multiflora. I've taken cuttings and am trying to
root them. Pictures and the text of what the three different authors
said about R. multiflora can be found he

http://www.dotrose.com/whatsinbloom/20030604.php

On 5/31/2003 we had a beautiful sunny day and I've got pictures of the
first bloom on Pat Austin and the first three on Johann Strauss (a light
pink with a little fragrance).

--
Henry

Thank you for copying out all that good info. I still like the rose but will
proceed with caution.

Henry wrote:

Cass wrote:
In article 3ff04e712c0d7fd411a85483bcc0fd43@TeraNews, Theo Asir
wrote:


be rosa multiflora, which is an invasive species rose in much of the
eastern and central US. Here is a link to the HelpMeFind page on rosa

I disagree on the invasive term. Its got a bad
rap from farmers who can't look after
their fields properly. While it does have a million
seeds fairly regular haying usually dealls with that problem.


Then you haven't been in Pennsylvania in the end of May. Everywhere you
look, you will see multiflora blooming: by the side of the expressway,
in every vacant lot, in everyone's back yard, next to every parking
lot. It is the epitomy of invasive there.

I have to agree (strongly) with Cass on this point. I decided to see
what people have written about R. multiflora in different books I have.
Both David Austin and Grahap Thomas had lots of good things to say
about it. Then I got to Michael Dirr's "Manual of Woody Landscape
Plants." Dirr has a cassual style that I really like and his book is
quite a work (at nearly 1,200 pages).

Under the heading "Habit" he says, "A fountain with long, slender,
recurving branches; eventually forming an impenetrable tangle of brush
suitable only for burning." About its growth rate he says, "fast; too
fast for most farmers who have this species in their fields." His
description for "Culture" is, "Same as described under R. rugosa
although this species is more invasive; tolerates dry heavy soils very
well."

He goes on with an entry for "Landscape Value" of "None in the
residential landscape; has received a lot of attention for conservation
purposes; makes a good place for all the "critters" to hide, yet can be
a real nuisance for the birds deposit the seeds in fence rows and open
areas, and soon one has a jungle; use this species with the knowledge
that none of your gardening friends in the immediate vicinity will ever
speak to you again." Finally, he gives the folliwng "Additional Notes."
"Utilized as an understock for budding the highly domesticated
selections. Another species that appears resistant to black-spot and the
typical rose diseases. I cannot overemphasize the invasive and greedy
nature of this species. Have observed entire pastures/fields invaded and
captured by the plant."

I went out yesterday to the open area near my office and took a few
pictures of the roses there. I also found a pink flowering rose that
still looks a lot like multiflora. I've taken cuttings and am trying to
root them. Pictures and the text of what the three different authors
said about R. multiflora can be found he

http://www.dotrose.com/whatsinbloom/20030604.php

On 5/31/2003 we had a beautiful sunny day and I've got pictures of the
first bloom on Pat Austin and the first three on Johann Strauss (a light
pink with a little fragrance).

--
Henry

Alice Gless writes:

Only have a couple left but I am wanting to try to propagate some Father
Hugo's roses and some other old ones I find. I'll just have to take my
chances on mites and the like.

If you want to keep the multiflora then at least read up on rose rosette
disease at this site:

http://web.ntown.net/~apeck/index.htm

That way you'll know what to look for if the disease appears on either your
roses or the wild mutiflora. IIRC Iowa is one the states who purposely spread
the mites in order to control the multiflora plants, so your chances are
greater of contracting the disease than those in other locations.

Julie