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Old 03-06-2003, 06:32 AM
Jonathan Ball
 
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I went in search of some info on Ortho Rose Pride
(formerly Funginex), and naturally stumbled onto
something even more interesting. It's a page from that
well known publicity hound, New York State Attorney
General Eliot Spitzer, about the supposedly "inert"
ingredients in insecticides, fungicides and
rodenticides. It's useful information

http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/rep...de_inerts.html

"Inert" doesn't mean what a lot of consumers frequently
assume: that it is not toxic to humans. In fact, not
only are many of the ingredients toxic to humans, they
are toxic to various pests as well; just not the ones
the manufacturer is targeting with the product.

Anyway, if someone can tell me a cheaper but effective
substitute for Rose Pride, I'd be appreciative. I'm
getting tired of paying $16.00 at Home Depot for it; I
can only imagine what the stuff costs at some smaller
garden centers.


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Old 03-06-2003, 02:32 PM
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On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 05:21:42 GMT, Jonathan Ball
wrote:

I went in search of some info on Ortho Rose Pride
(formerly Funginex), and naturally stumbled onto
something even more interesting. It's a page from that
well known publicity hound, New York State Attorney
General Eliot Spitzer, about the supposedly "inert"
ingredients in insecticides, fungicides and
rodenticides. It's useful information

http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/rep...de_inerts.html

"Inert" doesn't mean what a lot of consumers frequently
assume: that it is not toxic to humans. In fact, not
only are many of the ingredients toxic to humans, they
are toxic to various pests as well; just not the ones
the manufacturer is targeting with the product.


If by "Rose Pride" you mean that granular stuff that is a combination
fertilizer and pesticide, I have never used that. Compared to the
spray concentrate it is much more dangerous to wildlife and other yard
creatures.

In any event, if even the "inerts" bother you, why not vist the
Organic Rose Growing forum at Gardenweb. They will give you all sorts
of recipes for lumpy stuff that is, in my opinion, better left in the
kitchen. Much depends on where you are. If you are in a warmer, drier
place you might be able to get away with less. Here, if left untreated
or treated with ineffective means, blackspot will defoliate my roses
and weaken them until they die.



Anyway, if someone can tell me a cheaper but effective
substitute for Rose Pride, I'd be appreciative. I'm
getting tired of paying $16.00 at Home Depot for it; I
can only imagine what the stuff costs at some smaller
garden centers.


There is no cheaper, effective substitute that would not have those
inert ingredients that you object to. Orthenex is what I use every ten
days here in my NC garden, and it works well on both sucking and
chewing insects and all fungal disease. However, its erts and inerts
are things you will object to.




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Old 03-06-2003, 05:56 PM
Jonathan Ball
 
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Shiva wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 05:21:42 GMT, Jonathan Ball
wrote:


I went in search of some info on Ortho Rose Pride
(formerly Funginex), and naturally stumbled onto
something even more interesting. It's a page from that
well known publicity hound, New York State Attorney
General Eliot Spitzer, about the supposedly "inert"
ingredients in insecticides, fungicides and
rodenticides. It's useful information

http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/rep...de_inerts.html

"Inert" doesn't mean what a lot of consumers frequently
assume: that it is not toxic to humans. In fact, not
only are many of the ingredients toxic to humans, they
are toxic to various pests as well; just not the ones
the manufacturer is targeting with the product.



If by "Rose Pride" you mean that granular stuff that is a combination
fertilizer and pesticide,


I don't. They had a liquid product called Funginex
that they have relabeled Rose Pride.


In any event, if even the "inerts" bother you,


I don't know if they bother me or not. The New York
OAG page I referenced merely points out that federal
labeling law allows a whole lot of compounds to be
swept under the "inert" label without telling the
consumer what they are. They may not be "inert" at all.

why not vist the
Organic Rose Growing forum at Gardenweb. They will give you all sorts
of recipes for lumpy stuff that is, in my opinion, better left in the
kitchen. Much depends on where you are. If you are in a warmer, drier
place you might be able to get away with less. Here, if left untreated
or treated with ineffective means, blackspot will defoliate my roses
and weaken them until they die.



Anyway, if someone can tell me a cheaper but effective
substitute for Rose Pride, I'd be appreciative. I'm
getting tired of paying $16.00 at Home Depot for it; I
can only imagine what the stuff costs at some smaller
garden centers.



There is no cheaper, effective substitute that would not have those
inert ingredients that you object to. Orthenex is what I use every ten
days here in my NC garden, and it works well on both sucking and
chewing insects and all fungal disease. However, its erts and inerts
are things you will object to.


Again, you've read too much into my post about labeling
laws and "inert" ingredients.

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Old 03-06-2003, 06:08 PM
Shiva
 
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On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 16:52:13 GMT, Jonathan Ball
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If by "Rose Pride" you mean that granular stuff that is a combination
fertilizer and pesticide,


I don't. They had a liquid product called Funginex
that they have relabeled Rose Pride.


Hmm. How odd. So what you want is just a fungicide?

If so, I am afraid all of the most effective ones are actually more
expensive than Funginex, whatever they may be calling it these days.
(I have wanted to try Banner Max for a while, but it is something like
$100 a bottle.) I used Immunox for a while, but it is the same price
as Funginex here.

[...]

Again, you've read too much into my post about labeling
laws and "inert" ingredients.


Sorry.


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Old 04-06-2003, 07:20 PM
Henry Kuska
 
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Thank you for the link. I appreciate it very much.
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http://home.neo.rr.com/kuska/
"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message
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I went in search of some info on Ortho Rose Pride
(formerly Funginex), and naturally stumbled onto
something even more interesting. It's a page from that
well known publicity hound, New York State Attorney
General Eliot Spitzer, about the supposedly "inert"
ingredients in insecticides, fungicides and
rodenticides. It's useful information

http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/rep...de_inerts.html

"Inert" doesn't mean what a lot of consumers frequently
assume: that it is not toxic to humans. In fact, not
only are many of the ingredients toxic to humans, they
are toxic to various pests as well; just not the ones
the manufacturer is targeting with the product.

Anyway, if someone can tell me a cheaper but effective
substitute for Rose Pride, I'd be appreciative. I'm
getting tired of paying $16.00 at Home Depot for it; I
can only imagine what the stuff costs at some smaller
garden centers.





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