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Roses I Love To Hate And The People Who Love Them
This thread is just for Jeffrey. Thanks for reminding me that it is
PERFECTLY FINE to like what we like and dislike what we dislike JUST BECAUSE. PEACE. I have heard all the debates about different strains etc., and I am not sure what I think. I just know I hate this rose. BIG FAT ugly yellow blooms with horrible quilled petals that want to ball. I had an uncomfortable impulse early on that I later identified as the urge to harvest the buds and boil them and butter them like brussels sprouts. This is thee rose that taught me that the only thing worse than an ugly rose is a PROLIFIC, VIGOROUS ugly rose. MOONSTONE. Also a great big huge fat sauteeable lump of a rose. So NOT fragrant it seems to suck all the fragrance out of YOU when you get near it. Sterile, perfect form, with sterile, perfectly uniform, thin pink petal edges. I pay homage to the Canker Gods for saving me the trouble of hacking this rose to death when it was big and strong. AMELIA EARHART. Like Peace on steroids. Even MORE petals. Hated it at first sight. A rose CAN have too many petals. If she has a grave, the famous pilot rolled over in it when this mistake came out. PENELOPE. Jesus, Alice, what were you thinking? If I want a GD azalea, I'll plant one. In fact I have scores of them already, the gift of an overzealous former property owner. Insiginficant little POS not-quite-pink blooms that prove there IS a color worse than pink. It is Aspire-to-but-just-cannot-achieve Pink. It lives on, but in justified fear for its spindley, puny life. Yes, Jeffrey, it IS okay to hate a rose. |
Roses I Love To Hate And The People Who Love Them
Shiva wrote:
This is thee rose that taught me that the only thing worse than an ugly rose is a PROLIFIC, VIGOROUS ugly rose. .... with no scent. -- Henry |
Roses I Love To Hate And The People Who Love Them
(Shiva) wrote in
s.com: PENELOPE. Jesus, Alice, what were you thinking? If I want a GD azalea, I'll plant one. In fact I have scores of them already, the gift of an overzealous former property owner. Insiginficant little POS not-quite-pink blooms that prove there IS a color worse than pink. It is Aspire-to-but-just-cannot-achieve Pink. It lives on, but in justified fear for its spindley, puny life. How different personal appreciations can be! I love Penelope. Mine just began to bloom in its first full season and though it's smaller than just about everything else I have (it's young yet), it's a stunner. With delicate semidouble petals that remind me of porcelain, this rose seems to me more like a sasanqua camellia than an azalea; there's something Far-Eastern and exotic about it to my eyes...and it has an enchanting scent. I took these photos last week: http://sakionline.net/penelope.htm I tend to be intrigued by subtleties in roses rather than the screeching look-at-me styles of many modern floribundas and hybrid teas, so you can understand my affection for Penelope's opalescent blush. Clearly though it's not everyone's cup of tea, though if you're an Oolong fancier it might be more your style. Yes, Jeffrey, it IS okay to hate a rose. I'm still wrestling with this concept. I haven't found a rose that I feel inclined to hate, though some I won't grow for whatever reason (too big, too leggy, too mildewy, too yellow, etc.). Some seem to hate *me*. I have a couple Jeanne LaJoie that simply won't bloom. I had them in pots originally; switched them to the ground; just dug them up and potted them back up in my convalescent area. I think I've had them about eight years or so. Somehow I can't get rid of them. I think there's a Good Rose somewhere inside those canes begging to get out and I feel obligated to let it try. ---- |
Roses I Love To Hate And The People Who Love Them
On Wed, 4 Jun 2003 20:58:06 +0000 (UTC), saki wrote
this about Penelope: (Shiva) wrote in ws.com: PENELOPE. Jesus, Alice, what were you thinking? If I want a GD azalea, I'll plant one. How different personal appreciations can be! Truly! I love Penelope. Mine just began to bloom in its first full season and though it's smaller than just about everything else I have (it's young yet), it's a stunner. With delicate semidouble petals that remind me of porcelain, this rose seems to me more like a sasanqua camellia than an azalea; there's something Far-Eastern and exotic about it to my eyes...and it has an enchanting scent. I took these photos last week: http://sakionline.net/penelope.htm Really lovely--and a great reminder of why I wanted this rose. Mine looks like this if you slow down and look closely--and I rarely do. However, your photo made me go look a minute ago. I tend to be intrigued by subtleties in roses rather than the screeching look-at-me styles of many modern floribundas and hybrid teas This is precisely the difference in our taste in roses--at least at this point in my life. I LOVE to be knocked over by vivid, lucious, big and beautiful blooms! Preferably in oranges, purples, and reds! I like it when they take my breath away! , so you can understand my affection for Penelope's opalescent blush. Clearly though it's not everyone's cup of tea, though if you're an Oolong fancier it might be more your style. You are really a beautiful writer--hope you do it elsewhere, too. Too good to waste on Usenet! Though I appreciate reading it here in rgr. Yes, Jeffrey, it IS okay to hate a rose. I'm still wrestling with this concept. I haven't found a rose that I feel inclined to hate, though some I won't grow for whatever reason (too big, too leggy, too mildewy, too yellow, etc.). A gentle soul! Another aspect I admire but do not share, to state the obvious! Some seem to hate *me*. I have a couple Jeanne LaJoie that simply won't bloom. I had them in pots originally; switched them to the ground; just dug them up and potted them back up in my convalescent area. I think I've had them about eight years or so. Somehow I can't get rid of them. I think there's a Good Rose somewhere inside those canes begging to get out and I feel obligated to let it try. ---- I think it's fun to share and comtemplate our differences. They don't have to square us off in opposition or conflict. |
Roses I Love To Hate And The People Who Love Them
This is precisely the difference in our taste in roses--at least at this point in my life. I LOVE to be knocked over by vivid, lucious, big and beautiful blooms! Preferably in oranges, purples, and reds! I like it when they take my breath away! You mean like this one? http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/DP1.jpg Or this one? http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/DP2.jpg Or maybe you want to see them at the same time on the same plant: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/DP3.jpg And finally, here's another interestingly ugly/beautiful ruffle on the plant next door: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/DP4.jpg Correction - the last one is on the same plant... |
Roses I Love To Hate And The People Who Love Them
On Wed, 04 Jun 2003 19:21:13 -0500, dave weil
wrote: This is precisely the difference in our taste in roses--at least at this point in my life. I LOVE to be knocked over by vivid, lucious, big and beautiful blooms! Preferably in oranges, purples, and reds! I like it when they take my breath away! You mean like this one? http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/DP1.jpg Or this one? http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/DP2.jpg Or maybe you want to see them at the same time on the same plant: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/DP3.jpg And finally, here's another interestingly ugly/beautiful ruffle on the plant next door: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/DP4.jpg Correction - the last one is on the same plant... And apparently, my transfer of this file didn't work the first time. It's up there now... |
Roses I Love To Hate And The People Who Love Them
On Wed, 04 Jun 2003 18:54:30 -0500, dave weil
wrote: You mean like this one? http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/DP1.jpg Precisely! ;0) Or this one? http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/DP2.jpg Yep! I read your Ugly Don Juan post and cannot find it now. You're right, they get quite raggedy--and BROWN here! |
Roses I Love To Hate And The People Who Love Them
On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:00:33 GMT, (Shiva) wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jun 2003 18:54:30 -0500, dave weil wrote: You mean like this one? http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/DP1.jpg Precisely! ;0) Or this one? http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/DP2.jpg Yep! I read your Ugly Don Juan post and cannot find it now. You're right, they get quite raggedy--and BROWN here! Here's the pic again: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/UglyDonJuan.jpg To be fair, this is simply rain damage... |
Roses I Love To Hate And The People Who Love Them
"dave weil" wrote in message ... On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:00:33 GMT, (Shiva) wrote: On Wed, 04 Jun 2003 18:54:30 -0500, dave weil wrote: You mean like this one? http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/DP1.jpg Precisely! ;0) Or this one? http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/DP2.jpg Yep! I read your Ugly Don Juan post and cannot find it now. You're right, they get quite raggedy--and BROWN here! Here's the pic again: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/UglyDonJuan.jpg To be fair, this is simply rain damage... Ah! Dave you should see what the rain & Bot has done to the blooms on my Aloha. Brrrr... -- Theo in Zone 5 Kansas City |
Roses I Love To Hate And The People Who Love Them
On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:50:30 GMT, "Theo Asir"
wrote: "dave weil" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:00:33 GMT, (Shiva) wrote: On Wed, 04 Jun 2003 18:54:30 -0500, dave weil wrote: You mean like this one? http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/DP1.jpg Precisely! ;0) Or this one? http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/DP2.jpg Yep! I read your Ugly Don Juan post and cannot find it now. You're right, they get quite raggedy--and BROWN here! Here's the pic again: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/UglyDonJuan.jpg To be fair, this is simply rain damage... Ah! Dave you should see what the rain & Bot has done to the blooms on my Aloha. Been there when it comes to rain and Aloha. Because of the very complex and dense nature of the Aloha bud, it's very susceptable to severe balling. In fact, I have a few scattered "brussel sprouts" at the moment. The difference between those blooms and this Don Juan is that the Don Juan actually opened. Once Aloha balls, I've never known it to ever really open much. |
Roses I Love To Hate And The People Who Love Them
In article m, Shiva
writes This thread is just for Jeffrey. Thanks for reminding me that it is PERFECTLY FINE to like what we like and dislike what we dislike JUST BECAUSE. PEACE. I have heard all the debates about different strains etc., and I am not sure what I think. I just know I hate this rose. BIG FAT ugly yellow blooms with horrible quilled petals that want to ball. I had an uncomfortable impulse early on that I later identified as the urge to harvest the buds and boil them and butter them like brussels sprouts. This is thee rose that taught me that the only thing worse than an ugly rose is a PROLIFIC, VIGOROUS ugly rose. Not only hideous, but, as you say, obese. I also hate Super Star, the ubiquitous Compassion, and the dreadful Grandpa Dickson - what a shape! My pet hate just now is the ghastly rhapsody in Blue, top rose in the UK - and hideous, and not blue but a kind of stark purple. I can never understand the quest for a blue rose. However, I can't agree about Penelope - she seems divine to me, delicate, dainty, fragile, like eighteenth-century porcelain. She doesn't suggest azaleas to me either, but old ramblers like Rambling Rector (mine is juuuust out now - what a sight and what a scent). -- Jane Lumley |
Roses I Love To Hate And The People Who Love Them
dave weil wrote:
Here's the pic again: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil2/UglyDonJuan.jpg To be fair, this is simply rain damage... Ah! Dave you should see what the rain & Bot has done to the blooms on my Aloha. Been there when it comes to rain and Aloha. Because of the very complex and dense nature of the Aloha bud, it's very susceptable to severe balling. In fact, I have a few scattered "brussel sprouts" at the moment. The difference between those blooms and this Don Juan is that the Don Juan actually opened. Once Aloha balls, I've never known it to ever really open much. Here's another "good" example of how bad the wet (calling this spring damp is like calling Bill Gates well off) and bot can make a rose look (the first two pictures on the page - click for larger view). This is Johann Strauss. http://www.dotrose.com/whatsinbloom/20030606.php -- Henry |
Roses I Love To Hate And The People Who Love Them
Yes, Jeffrey, it IS okay to hate a rose. Well, this is where my amature status comes to the forefront. I can honestly say that there is not a single rose that I do not like. Yes I have my favorites. And yes, some have been named in this thread. But the fact is, that to me, each one has something different to offer. I am a sucker for bi-colors and tri-colors. Yet a Mister Lincoln or Gold Marie can still take my breath away. I love the old fasioned smelling varities as well, but even the soft or lightly smelling varieties can be just as nice when grouped. And I watch my plants suffer from black spot, balling, aphids, and powdery mildew and do my best to control them. Proliferation? My miniture Candy tuff is going through the same right now. But they are still there and still blooming. Like I said, to me, there is no ugly rose, some are just prettier nd better smelling than others. |
Roses I Love To Hate And The People Who Love Them
Shiva wrote: This thread is just for Jeffrey. Thanks for reminding me that it is PERFECTLY FINE to like what we like and dislike what we dislike JUST BECAUSE. PEACE. I have heard all the debates about different strains etc., and I am not sure what I think. I just know I hate this rose. BIG FAT ugly yellow blooms with horrible quilled petals that want to ball. I had an uncomfortable impulse early on that I later identified as the urge to harvest the buds and boil them and butter them like brussels sprouts. This is thee rose that taught me that the only thing worse than an ugly rose is a PROLIFIC, VIGOROUS ugly rose. MOONSTONE. Also a great big huge fat sauteeable lump of a rose. So NOT fragrant it seems to suck all the fragrance out of YOU when you get near it. Sterile, perfect form, with sterile, perfectly uniform, thin pink petal edges. I pay homage to the Canker Gods for saving me the trouble of hacking this rose to death when it was big and strong. AMELIA EARHART. Like Peace on steroids. Even MORE petals. Hated it at first sight. A rose CAN have too many petals. If she has a grave, the famous pilot rolled over in it when this mistake came out. PENELOPE. Jesus, Alice, what were you thinking? If I want a GD azalea, I'll plant one. In fact I have scores of them already, the gift of an overzealous former property owner. Insiginficant little POS not-quite-pink blooms that prove there IS a color worse than pink. It is Aspire-to-but-just-cannot-achieve Pink. It lives on, but in justified fear for its spindley, puny life. Yes, Jeffrey, it IS okay to hate a rose. HA, HA, HA! Nice Post, Shiva. :) |
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