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wrote: Thanks, Cass! I'll print this out and give it a try. Question, If I take the sucker with roots, should I wait until after the plant stops blooming? No, grab one any time you can, the sooner the better. You need to get crackin' before winter. But don't leave blooms on the part you take. Flowers are supposed to require a lot of moisture, and you're going to put enough stress on this little sucker. Cass wrote in message . .. In article , Rose wrote: Cass wrote in message . .. In article , Rose wrote: I hope someone here can help me. We have, in the family, an 80-year-old climbing rosebush that my grandfather had started. I've tried several times, using various methods in books, to get new plants started from it but I can't seem to get them to root. Does anyone have a method that would work for a "non-gardener"? Many thanks in advance. Rose (yes, that really is my name :-) What part of the country are you in, Rose? And what does this rose look like? I live in Zone 5, near South Bend, IN. The rosebush has no name - I'm not sure if my grandfather made a hybrid (he was trained in agriculture) or this is simply a kind of old-fashioned bush. I'll see if I can find a picture close to it out here on the internet. I'm betting it's some kind of an old-fashioned though. The roses are hot/deep pink in color with yellow centers and the blooms can get as large as a luncheon-sized plate. They open completely. They do smell wonderful and that scent carries on the wind for quite a distance. Her neighbors have told her how much they enjoy smelling it. Right now the bush is huge. My sister thinks there are more than 500 blossoms on this bush. It is literally starting to cover a good part of the back of her house. There are a number of ways to convince a rose to propagate, from taking cuttings in all different seasons (spring, late summer, mid-winter), rooting in different media (sand, garden soil, oasis), or even digging up a sucker with roots, effectively dividing up the rose. I'm willing to try anything. Grandpa had made a bush for each of his three daughters but the other two died. This is the only one left. I'm also wondering about planting soil. I live not too far from a creek (about 500 yards) and the soil around me is a clay composition. How should I amend the soil for planting the shoots? Are you talking about digging up a sucker, with roots? I would go to a local plant nursery and mooch a free 5 gallon pot. Fill it with the most extravagant soil you can concoct. Your native clay is probably rich, if it's from a creekbed. Lighten it with compost or soil amendment so that it drains easily. That can take up to a 50 - 50 blend. Dig up a cane from as far from the plant as possible. That way it is most likely to have a few feeder roots. It is probably attached to the mother plant by a big, thick, woody root. Take as much of that root as you can possibly fit in the pot. Cut the top off the cane, leaving it about a foot long. Bury it in the pot deep - as deep as possible and still leaving about 4 bud eyes above the soil. Put this pot out in the full sun -- but you have to do something very important: you need to spritz the can with water twice a day and more if you think about it. You can cover it with a clear or milky liter soda bottle with the bottom cut off, making a miniature greenhouse. This is not necessary, probably, given your humidities. It works well in off seasons to gather heat. Don't apply fertilizer at all during this process. Then wait. Wait until after you see not only leaves but new stems about 3 inches long. It can take several months. It can take a really long time. That when you have a new rose, especially if you see little white feeder roots coming out of the drain holes. You should put it in the ground by August, with any luck. And you might need to give it some winter protection this winter. You should also probably try alternative methods of taking softwood cuttings from this bloom cycle. Read about it at the American Rose Society website - ars.org I like the oasis method. Choose stems that have flowered and are about as big around as a cheap Papermate pen - even a little smaller. Trim off the flowers and keep only about 5 or 10 leaves - and cut those in half. The stems should be about 6 to 10 inches long, with two or three growth nodes in the oasis and at least two above the oasis. You can get oasis at hardware stores or crafts stores. Keep the cutting out of direct light and keep the cutting sprtized. Mine is in the kitchen and I douse it every time I think about it. When you see roots growing out of the oasis, put the whole plant, oasis and all, in a 1 gallon pot of good soil. Don't rely on top growth - it's roots you want. Read the article at the rose site for details. It with a group about propagation. Here's a cutting in progress about a month now: http://home.earthlink.net/~cbernstei...ages/Oasis.jpg Don't worry if the leaves fall off. Some roses do that - most, in fact. As long as the stem is green, you're in business. I'd also simultaneously try two or three softwood cuttings in that good garden soil with a soda bottle greenhouse. You need to water it every day. Some roses won't root in oasis and will take right off in old garden soil. This way, you have three shots at propagating the rose. If you have a summer veggie garden that gets daily water, that is a terrific place to propagate rose cuttings. |
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[[snipage - about layering roses]] Shiva wrote: Henry, this is the first propagation method that actually sounds attractive enough that I want to try it. Have you done this much, and what sort of results have you had? I've not done it much but I've had success with it. When I take cuttings, they tend either to dry out or get infected with fungus and die (i.e. either not enough or too much water). With this method, you can pretty much leave them alone and not have to worry about them much. Since the stem is still being fed from the mother plant, you don't have to worry about keeping it fed and since it is open to the air, it's less likely to get moldy. It may take longer but what's the rush? With more rigid roses, air layering is an option. In this case, you wrap the area where you want roots to grow in wet sphagnum moss and then with plastic. I've seen this, and it looks more complicate, but still better than budding. This isn't as hard as it sounds. I'm getting set to do this in the next week or so. I'll take pictures to try to illustrate the process and post them on the web. By the way, your posts do not show up in teranews, so I miss a lot of them. Cotse has been down lately and I hate reading in OE. I wondered about that. Posts from home weren't showing up at work and visa versa. If this one makes it (from home), then I'll know the falt is at the news server at work. They do seem to show up in google eventually. -- Henry |
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By the way, your posts do not show up in teranews, so I miss a lot of
them. Cotse has been down lately and I hate reading in OE. I wondered about that. Posts from home weren't showing up at work and visa versa. If this one makes it (from home), then I'll know the falt is at the news server at work. They do seem to show up in google eventually. -- Henry Hi Henry, Just letting you know that I saw this post (and your other reply) but not your original post. Kirra Brisbane, Australia zone 10 |
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Starting a new climbing rosebush
(Rose) wrote in message . com...
I hope someone here can help me. We have, in the family, an 80-year-old climbing rosebush that my grandfather had started. I've tried several times, using various methods in books, to get new plants started from it but I can't seem to get them to root. Does anyone have a method that would work for a "non-gardener"? Many thanks in advance. Rose (yes, that really is my name :-) Someone asked about seeing the roses. I managed to get a few digital pictures with an old digital camera. Hope this helps! http://www.nd.edu/~jrose1/roses/roses.htm If this doesn't work, please let me know and let me know what it is or isn't doing. Thanks! Rose |
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On 16 Jun 2003 08:22:46 -0700, (Rose) wrote:
(Rose) wrote in message . com... I hope someone here can help me. We have, in the family, an 80-year-old climbing rosebush that my grandfather had started. I've tried several times, using various methods in books, to get new plants started from it but I can't seem to get them to root. Does anyone have a method that would work for a "non-gardener"? Many thanks in advance. Rose (yes, that really is my name :-) Someone asked about seeing the roses. I managed to get a few digital pictures with an old digital camera. Hope this helps! http://www.nd.edu/~jrose1/roses/roses.htm If this doesn't work, please let me know and let me know what it is or isn't doing. Thanks! Rose Probably American Beauty? http://www.helpmefind.com/sites/rrr/pl.php?n=192 |
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On 16 Jun 2003 08:22:46 -0700, (Rose) wrote:
(Rose) wrote in message . com... I hope someone here can help me. We have, in the family, an 80-year-old climbing rosebush that my grandfather had started. I've tried several times, using various methods in books, to get new plants started from it but I can't seem to get them to root. Does anyone have a method that would work for a "non-gardener"? Many thanks in advance. Rose (yes, that really is my name :-) Someone asked about seeing the roses. I managed to get a few digital pictures with an old digital camera. Hope this helps! http://www.nd.edu/~jrose1/roses/roses.htm If this doesn't work, please let me know and let me know what it is or isn't doing. Thanks! Rose PS, beautiful rose! |
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"dave weil" wrote in message ... On 16 Jun 2003 08:22:46 -0700, (Rose) wrote: (Rose) wrote in message . com... I hope someone here can help me. We have, in the family, an 80-year-old climbing rosebush that my grandfather had started. I've tried several times, using various methods in books, to get new plants started from it but I can't seem to get them to root. Does anyone have a method that would work for a "non-gardener"? Many thanks in advance. Rose (yes, that really is my name :-) Someone asked about seeing the roses. I managed to get a few digital pictures with an old digital camera. Hope this helps! http://www.nd.edu/~jrose1/roses/roses.htm If this doesn't work, please let me know and let me know what it is or isn't doing. Thanks! Rose Probably American Beauty? http://www.helpmefind.com/sites/rrr/pl.php?n=192 I concur. It does look amazingly healthy. My neighbhor purchased one are the movie and it has been an absolute dog. Disease after disease. Can't figure it out. -- Theo in Zone 5 Kansas City |
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"Theo Asir" writes:
My neighbhor purchased one are the movie and it has been an absolute dog. Disease after disease. Can't figure it out. Everything I've read on American Beauty mentions it suseptibility to disease from Blackspot, to powdery mildew, to rust. |
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(Rose) writes: Someone asked about seeing the roses. I managed to get a few digital pictures with an old digital camera. Hope this helps! http://www.nd.edu/~jrose1/roses/roses.htm I'll agree it looks very similar to American Beauty. Very possible ID. That rose is still available at several reputable sellers. If you aren't able to get cuttings rooted you can buy one. It isn't quite the same as having a piece of your grandfather's plant, but it's better than losing it entirely. This page lists several places where the rose can be purchased: http://home.everestkc.net/tasir/imag...e/IMG_0010.JPG Julie |
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"Unique Too" wrote in message ... In article , (Rose) writes: Someone asked about seeing the roses. I managed to get a few digital pictures with an old digital camera. Hope this helps! http://www.nd.edu/~jrose1/roses/roses.htm I'll agree it looks very similar to American Beauty. Very possible ID. That rose is still available at several reputable sellers. If you aren't able to get cuttings rooted you can buy one. It isn't quite the same as having a piece of your grandfather's plant, but it's better than losing it entirely. This page lists several places where the rose can be purchased: http://home.everestkc.net/tasir/imag...e/IMG_0010.JPG Julie Um! Julie, Having a bad typo day :- -- Theo in Zone 5 Kansas City |
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dave weil wrote in message . ..
On 16 Jun 2003 08:22:46 -0700, (Rose) wrote: (Rose) wrote in message . com... I hope someone here can help me. We have, in the family, an 80-year-old climbing rosebush that my grandfather had started. I've tried several times, using various methods in books, to get new plants started from it but I can't seem to get them to root. Does anyone have a method that would work for a "non-gardener"? Many thanks in advance. Rose (yes, that really is my name :-) Someone asked about seeing the roses. I managed to get a few digital pictures with an old digital camera. Hope this helps! http://www.nd.edu/~jrose1/roses/roses.htm If this doesn't work, please let me know and let me know what it is or isn't doing. Thanks! Rose PS, beautiful rose! Thanks! Grandpa was very proud of it. He used to take some of the roses to the county fair and won the grand prize 3 times in a rose. According to my aunt, he got to told not to bring some to enter the next time so someone else could win. :-) Rose |
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dave weil wrote in message . ..
On 16 Jun 2003 08:22:46 -0700, (Rose) wrote: (Rose) wrote in message . com... I hope someone here can help me. We have, in the family, an 80-year-old climbing rosebush that my grandfather had started. I've tried several times, using various methods in books, to get new plants started from it but I can't seem to get them to root. Does anyone have a method that would work for a "non-gardener"? Many thanks in advance. Rose (yes, that really is my name :-) Someone asked about seeing the roses. I managed to get a few digital pictures with an old digital camera. Hope this helps! http://www.nd.edu/~jrose1/roses/roses.htm If this doesn't work, please let me know and let me know what it is or isn't doing. Thanks! Rose Probably American Beauty? http://www.helpmefind.com/sites/rrr/pl.php?n=192 That does look like it. And it does fit with my aunt's recollections. So, we'll call it the American Beauty rose. I wonder what the average lifespan of this rose is. Goodness knows this one's been around a good, long while. Rose |
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