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Old 15-06-2003, 10:08 PM
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"Caterbro" writes:

io'm still agonizing over where to put 4 6" Dr. Hueys that
cropped up out of an old bed. I put stakes so they can be carefully mowed
around whilst i find the perfect spot for them!


Been there, done that. The good Doctor is no longer with us. In fact, he was
the first rose I shovel pruned.
He did have pretty blooms for a few weeks, then defoliated from blackspot.
Also the first rose in my garden to ever suffer from powdery mildew. I never
felt a bit of guilt about putting his reamins in the garbage can.


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Old 15-06-2003, 10:32 PM
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(Shiva) wrote in m:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 05:58:13 GMT, "Caterbro"
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io'm still agonizing over where to put 4 6" Dr. Hueys that
cropped up out of an old bed. I put stakes so they can be carefully mowed
around whilst i find the perfect spot for them!


Carl, you sweet soul. I imagine you inherited these Hueys?


oh, yes. at last count i have half a dozen; they were all rootstock-
the grafted plants died back and surprise! Dr. Huey

i just can't find it in my heart to murder a survivor, even if its rootstock

They can be
quite impressive. There is one on the north wall of the NC Governor's
mansion that is very old. It erupts every spring, stays full of blooms
for at least a month, no kidding, cascading over this eight-foot wall.


the biggest one is a puzzle to me, but it is very pretty. they take time to
come into there own, i guess.

Then, since they do not deadhead it, it produces lovely fat orange
hips that give color all winter.


and they are DELICIOUS- its a toss up btw Dr. Huey and the white briar
rose for the best hips.

Have you got many blooms yet? Has it stopped raining? Yesterday I so
wanted to spray (for the first time in weeks!) but it rained, as it
has nearly every day for weeks unless I have a reason to be away from
home all day. My poor babies look awful. Many dropped leaves.



I have one bloom-cripes! its not Huey- its something i dunno what but its
awful pretty

here is a pictu

http://www.pbase.com/caterbro/roses


carl

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Old 15-06-2003, 10:44 PM
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Im my own defense, I'm not quite as self-limiting as my post may have
seemed!

When I mentioned having between5 & 15 roses, I didn't mean to suggest that I
had 15 roses of only 5 varieties total -- just that I was too lazy to go
out & count them before I posted!

Actually, my only doubles are Abraham Darby & Blaze (the former because of
the scent; the latter, because the arbor has two sides). And I have 15
roses because I'm just getting started on my "slide down the slippery
slope"! (Life was really easier when I spent my creative choices on tomato
seeds to start.)

I guess you can really tell I'm a rosanewbie, because I don't even know what
BS stands for? (I mean I know how I've understood it for the last 40 years
or so, but I doubt that's what you meant!)

Anne Lurie
Raleigh, NC



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"Anne Lurie" writes:

Now, however, I can exercise my freedom of choice -- although my choice
may seem limiting to some people. (I'm one of those tiresome people who
orders the same thing at the same restaurants -- "because it was so

good
last time" -- so I'm sure that next year, I'll be planting another

Graham
Thomas and yet another Abraham Darby (now *that* fragrance could have

made
me a rose fanatic years ago!), and it's okay! I'm okay, you're okay,

we're
all okay!


Another step in growing with roses. Accepting that it's okay whatever

choices
other people make. Myself, I only have duplicates of two roses (out of

~50).
I like variety. I order something different when we eat out, just because

I've
never tried "that: before. It's led me to try Octopus (disgusting),

escargot
(love 'em), raw oysters (they're okay), fish eggs (what is the proper

term? and
I paid How Much for that!).
But it's okay. If you are happy with fifteen roses of five varieties,

that's
okay with me. Shiva likes her big blowsey HTs in garish colors. I like

the
OGRs in mostly soft colors. She sprays on a regular basis, I'm trying to

rid
my gaden of BS magnets. But it's okay. We love roses, just in different
ways.



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"Caterbro" writes:

mine are well-nigh indestructible- the only downside is the one short
blooming-
no BS or mildew- few bugs, drought tolerant, etc., etc,


If mine had been like that, he would still be aorund. I really liked the
blooms and could probably live with them once a year. But all those long bare
canes for 10 months a year I could not handle.


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Old 16-06-2003, 07:20 PM
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"Anne Lurie" writes:

When I mentioned having between5 & 15 roses, I didn't mean to suggest that I
had 15 roses of only 5 varieties total -- just that I was too lazy to go
out & count them before I posted!


I didn't mean to offend, I was only playing off the numbers you used. I really
didn't think you had only 5 varieties.

Actually, my only doubles are Abraham Darby & Blaze (the former because of
the scent; the latter, because the arbor has two sides). And I have 15
roses because I'm just getting started on my "slide down the slippery
slope"! (Life was really easier when I spent my creative choices on tomato
seeds to start.)


Um, well, I think my life is simpler since roses, before roses I had kids and
no creative choices. And I have doubles of LaMarne, I think that's the only
one.

I guess you can really tell I'm a rosanewbie, because I don't even know what
BS stands for? (I mean I know how I've understood it for the last 40 years
or so, but I doubt that's what you meant!)


BS=Blackspot. Here in the humid swamp BS (my term) is just some of the BS
(your term) you have to deal with on many roses.

Julie

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Old 16-06-2003, 08:08 PM
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When I first bought my home, I was an avid gardener. Vegetable garden,
apple trees, seven rose beds all over the yard. Being in zone 3/4, I had
lots of fall and spring work but had no kids, a job with a big company, and
plenty of free time. About eight years ago with three kids in sports, my
own small company, and no time, I looked at the spring wreckage of my
landscape, seeded the vegetable garden, gave away all my rose bushes, put in
rock.
A couple of weeks ago, I drove past a nursery and thought how nice one of
their potted roses would look in an empty spot near my front door. Planted
one the next day. Last week I put in some raised beds and planted tomatos
and cucumbers. I hope its not starting again.


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Old 16-06-2003, 11:32 PM
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"Caterbro" wrote in
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(Shiva) wrote in
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There seems to be a whole circuit we travel with this rose-growing
thing, with many common stops along the way, where most of us
eventually rest, even if only for a while. I am at the one labeled
"Discover the Joy of Guiltless Shovel Pruning!"

Where are you?


io'm still agonizing over where to put 4 6" Dr. Hueys that
cropped up out of an old bed. I put stakes so they can be carefully
mowed around whilst i find the perfect spot for them!


I have a couple bay Dr. Huey's too. I'm happy enough with my full-sized
one to want more so I rescued a couple and now have them growing on their
own.

I tried shovel-pruning only once and was sorry (a Nearly Wild that wasn't
performing). I understand the necessity in some cases and have no trouble
refraining from anthropomorphizing my plants. Old bedding plants or
misbehaving shurbs get the boot reguarly. But with roses I don't seem to
be able to do it.

Just the other week I dug up two Jeanne LaJoie plants that have been with
me nearly ten years and have ill-performed for me. This is their third
permutation; first they were in pots, then in the ground, now back in
two-gallon containers while I rejuvenate their foliage and figure out
where they'll go next.

I have plenty of neighbors begging me to give them a rose garden that
looks like mine. Of course I won't do that exactly but I find that
donating my under-performers to the neighbors (or the neighborhood) helps
me feel that there's a second or third chance lurking for them, and often
the change in venue makes a world of difference. It's more a challenge to
me to prove to myself that the rose really has a raison d'etre...and that
I can find out what it is if I just explore what it really wants.

To each his or her own, though. Perhaps when I have two hundred roses to
contend with I'll be singing a slightly different tune.

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