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How to choose (limit) roses?
Ok, so how does everyone do it? Between three of us sharing a rose garden
2.5m x 6m and another bed of another 22m x (1m-2.5m) we have a *short* list of 65 different roses! We have listed them all with their colour and type and are going to try fit as much in as possible. Bu it seems everytime I flip through a rose book or read some posts here I think, "maybe I should try a ..."? Aaack! Kirra Brisbane, Australia zone 10 |
How to choose (limit) roses?
Doing some quick calculations I have a feeling you're gonna be seriously over crowded unless all your roses are 18"x18" midgets. To give you an idea I just finished planting my 1m x 10m bed with 6 roses. Min 5' center to center. Overcrowding causes disease & maintenance problems. There is a case for squeezing together tough colorful roses that you want to make a nice stand with. but they must be tough and disease resistant and must have a nice habit. I have planted 4 x 2m bush roses in a 3m bed and they are growing together nicely but I carefully selected them for this purpose. -- Theo in Zone 5 Kansas City "Kirra" wrote in message ... Ok, so how does everyone do it? Between three of us sharing a rose garden 2.5m x 6m and another bed of another 22m x (1m-2.5m) we have a *short* list of 65 different roses! We have listed them all with their colour and type and are going to try fit as much in as possible. Bu it seems everytime I flip through a rose book or read some posts here I think, "maybe I should try a ..."? Aaack! Kirra Brisbane, Australia zone 10 |
How to choose (limit) roses?
On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:09:16 GMT, "Theo Asir"
wrote: Doing some quick calculations I have a feeling you're gonna be seriously over crowded unless all your roses are 18"x18" midgets. To give you an idea I just finished planting my 1m x 10m bed with 6 roses. Min 5' center to center. Overcrowding causes disease & maintenance problems. There is a case for squeezing together tough colorful roses that you want to make a nice stand with. but they must be tough and disease resistant and must have a nice habit. I have planted 4 x 2m bush roses in a 3m bed and they are growing together nicely but I carefully selected them for this purpose. I think it depends on the type of roses you choose. For instance, because of its upright nature, Edmunds recommended that I plant my 3 Belamis about 1 1/2 ft center to center. That allows for its normal 3 ft. spread. It should create a nice "single" bush with about a 5 - 6 foot diameter. Of course, alternately, I could have planted them further apart and kept the plants distinctive, but I didn't really want that American Beautyesque (the film, not the rose) row of HT soldiers. I wanted more the effect that my big Aloha has - I think that someone planted three separate bushes in a triangle years and years ago and now, it just looks like one BIG plant. |
How to choose (limit) roses?
Doing some quick calculations I have a feeling you're gonna be seriously over crowded unless all your roses are 18"x18" midgets. To give you an idea I just finished planting my 1m x 10m bed with 6 roses. Min 5' center to center. Overcrowding causes disease & maintenance problems. There is a case for squeezing together tough colorful roses that you want to make a nice stand with. but they must be tough and disease resistant and must have a nice habit. I have planted 4 x 2m bush roses in a 3m bed and they are growing together nicely but I carefully selected them for this purpose. I think it depends on the type of roses you choose. For instance, because of its upright nature, Edmunds recommended that I plant my 3 Belamis about 1 1/2 ft center to center. That allows for its normal 3 ft. spread. It should create a nice "single" bush with about a 5 - 6 foot diameter. Of course, alternately, I could have planted them further apart and kept the plants distinctive, but I didn't really want that American Beautyesque (the film, not the rose) row of HT soldiers. I wanted more the effect that my big Aloha has - I think that someone planted three separate bushes in a triangle years and years ago and now, it just looks like one BIG plant. Yes. Stands like that are useful though I get bugged by Austin who recommends it for all his roses. It speaks of a certain weakness in the cultivar. I wouldn't recommend it for different types of rose though. As it is my Pink Gruss An Aachen is getting overgrown by the Pilgrim 4' away. -- Theo in Zone 5 Kansas City |
How to choose (limit) roses?
"Theo Asir" wrote Yes. Stands like that are useful though I get bugged by Austin who recommends it for all his roses. It speaks of a certain weakness in the cultivar. I think it speaks more to his desire to sell you 3 plants rather that 1... |
How to choose (limit) roses?
"Kirra" writes:
Ok, so how does everyone do it? Between three of us sharing a rose garden 2.5m x 6m and another bed of another 22m x (1m-2.5m) we have a *short* list of 65 different roses! We have listed them all with their colour and type and are going to try fit as much in as possible. Bu it seems everytime I flip through a rose book or read some posts here I think, "maybe I should try a ..."? Aaack! Kind of like piling on a plate of food at a pitch in dinner isn't it? As the saying goes, your eyes are bigger than you stomach, only in this case your roses are bigger than your garden. Theo has a good point about crowding them together, although I think most of us try to do the same thing. Only to discover the roses grow! And sometimes they grow and grow and grow. It is much easier to give them some extra space to start than have to move them later. Been there, done that (more than once!) Rather then trying to fit all 65 roses in at one time, pick ~20, of different types and start with those. You may have to pick the names out of a hat or buy only those roses on your list that are available at a single supplier or two. Work with those for a while. If you have some bare spots, put in a few annuals. Some of the roses that you think you really, really must grow, will not do well for you. Or you don't like the form, color, scent, etc. My wish list of roses got rather long, but I knew they would never fit in my limited space. So I began buying them a few at a time. Now when I look at that original list, I smile. There are so many on there I no longer even desire for one reason or another. Take your time. Be patient. The roses will still be around. |
How to choose (limit) roses?
Kind of like piling on a plate of food at a pitch in dinner isn't it? As
the saying goes, your eyes are bigger than you stomach, only in this case your roses are bigger than your garden. Theo has a good point about crowding them together, although I think most of us try to do the same thing. Only to discover the roses grow! And sometimes they grow and grow and grow. It is much easier to give them some extra space to start than have to move them later. Been there, done that (more than once!) Rather then trying to fit all 65 roses in at one time, pick ~20, of different types and start with those. You may have to pick the names out of a hat or buy only those roses on your list that are available at a single supplier or two. Work with those for a while. If you have some bare spots, put in a few annuals. Some of the roses that you think you really, really must grow, will not do well for you. Or you don't like the form, color, scent, etc. My wish list of roses got rather long, but I knew they would never fit in my limited space. So I began buying them a few at a time. Now when I look at that original list, I smile. There are so many on there I no longer even desire for one reason or another. Take your time. Be patient. The roses will still be around. Thanks everyone for the advice. Well, we are doing two things to reduce crowding - reducing the number of roses but also increasing the bed sizes! We chose roses from books rather than nurseries so that we could get some warnings like "black spot magnet don't bother!" or recommendations like "wouldn't be without it in my garden" rather than just a pretty picture of the rose and no mention of any faults. This of course means that now that I am searching for the roses on nursery sites, not all of them are available. There are around 15 that I haven't been able to find so we will just cull those. The roses are going on a 10 acre site locally so there really isn't any space restrictions besides what we are prepared to dig and maintain. My father owns farming machinery (and this is on his property) and we are planning on inviting another 6 or 7 family members/friends to help us - so we are flexible enough to make the beds bigger if necessary. We did some planning the other night and already decided to put in some curves, an island feature rose and then another curved bed on the other side to increase the space. It seems almost like the planning and preparation is as much fun as enjoying the flowers. We have small minis, ground covers, shrubs, cutting roses, striped roses, some named after family, climbers (the largest to climb through trees), modern, OGR and English roses. You could say that we have chosen around 20 to start with, its just that it is 20 each :) Looking forward to lots of flowers ... Kirra Brisbane, Australia zone 10 |
How to choose (limit) roses?
Thanks everyone for the advice. Well, we are doing two things to reduce crowding - reducing the number of roses but also increasing the bed sizes! We chose roses from books rather than nurseries so that we could get some warnings like "black spot magnet don't bother!" or recommendations like "wouldn't be without it in my garden" rather than just a pretty picture of the rose and no mention of any faults. This of course means that now that I am searching for the roses on nursery sites, not all of them are available. There are around 15 that I haven't been able to find so we will just cull those. The roses are going on a 10 acre site locally so there really isn't any space restrictions besides what we are prepared to dig and maintain. My father owns farming machinery (and this is on his property) and we are planning on inviting another 6 or 7 family members/friends to help us - so we are flexible enough to make the beds bigger if necessary. We did some planning the other night and already decided to put in some curves, an island feature rose and then another curved bed on the other side to increase the space. It seems almost like the planning and preparation is as much fun as enjoying the flowers. We have small minis, ground covers, shrubs, cutting roses, striped roses, some named after family, climbers (the largest to climb through trees), modern, OGR and English roses. You could say that we have chosen around 20 to start with, its just that it is 20 each :) Looking forward to lots of flowers ... Kirra Brisbane, Australia zone 10 Sounds very promising. Be prepared for a lot of variability in growth. The English roses in particular tend to explode into growth in US zone 10's. -- Theo in Zone 5 Kansas City |
How to choose (limit) roses?
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It seems almost like the planning and preparation is as much fun as enjoying the flowers. We have small minis, ground covers, shrubs, cutting roses, striped roses, some named after family, climbers (the largest to climb through trees), modern, OGR and English roses. You could say that we have chosen around 20 to start with, its just that it is 20 each :) Looking forward to lots of flowers ... Sounds very promising. Be prepared for a lot of variability in growth. The English roses in particular tend to explode into growth in US zone 10's. We are using most of the English roses as climbers or pillar roses because I had heard that said a few times here. We are prepared that some things may have to move, simply because we are new to this. We want to try as much out as possible because these will be our "test" beds to see what we do and don't like. After that we can then work on adding more of the roses we do like and we'll also know a bit more about what their growth habits will be like. Kirra |
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