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Old 22-07-2003, 04:50 AM
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Daniel,

I know people who have liver damage and knew a man who died of multiple
carcinome, most likely as a result of extended exposure to triforine. IT IS
a hazardous chemical, other wise is would not carry the EPA toxcicity
classification of 'I'.

Acephate also carries the word 'danger' as per the EPA classification of
toxins, 'I'.

The point being, fungicides are used as a preventative measure and applied
in a regular program to be affective.
Exposure is much more likely with the regular use of triforine than acephate
which is used when the insect population reaches a point that requires use
of an insecticide. The use of a product that contiains both of these
chemicals (triforine & acephate) is a even greater risk.

Triforine is not an insecticide, true, many chemicals will kill aphids, that
is not the point. It is not registered or intended for use as an
insecticide.

Diaznon is also very toxic. Since it is often applied to lawns, it is
easily absorbed through the feet. How about your dog?

BE CAREFUL with any pesticide, they are by design, TOXIC. Even the
'organics' are toxic, they would not work if they weren't.

I do read the labels, any one who doesn't is in effect 'violating federal
law' by using the product(s) in any manner other than indicated, not to
mention being stupid.



"Daniel Hanna" wrote in message
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In Tim Tompkins wrote:
"Triforine is a "restricted use" pesticide (RUP) with an EPA toxicity
classification of I (highly toxic). Check with specific state
regulations for local restrictions which may apply. Products
containing triforine must bear the Signal Word "Danger" on their label.
"


So much for labels. Read the text, Tim! Has it killed anyone? Caused
cancer, perhaps? Maybe some birth defects or mutations? No? Perhaps
some soil persistence issues, then? Or maybe it accumulates in the
human body over time, then? No?

Triforine doesn't even kill aphids, Tim.

Now read http://www.roseshawaii.org/msds/orthenex.htm and see what it
says. Bingo, the dangerous part of this combination product is acephate.
It can poison a foetus and cause organ toxicity like other anti-
cholinesterase (organophosphate) chemicals. Even then it's pretty minor
league, compared to others in common garden use. Try looking up
dimethoate or diazinon for a real scare.




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Old 22-07-2003, 04:57 AM
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Daniel,

I know people who have liver damage and knew a man who died of multiple
carcinome, most likely as a result of extended exposure to triforine. IT IS
a hazardous chemical, other wise is would not carry the EPA toxcicity
classification of 'I'.

Acephate also carries the word 'danger' as per the EPA classification of
toxins, 'I'.

The point being, fungicides are used as a preventative measure and applied
in a regular program to be affective.
Exposure is much more likely with the regular use of triforine than acephate
which is used when the insect population reaches a point that requires use
of an insecticide. The use of a product that contiains both of these
chemicals (triforine & acephate) is a even greater risk.

Triforine is not an insecticide, true, many chemicals will kill aphids, that
is not the point. It is not registered or intended for use as an
insecticide.

Diaznon is also very toxic. Since it is often applied to lawns, it is
easily absorbed through the feet. How about your dog?

BE CAREFUL with any pesticide, they are by design, TOXIC. Even the
'organics' are toxic, they would not work if they weren't.

I do read the labels, any one who doesn't is in effect 'violating federal
law' by using the product(s) in any manner other than indicated, not to
mention being stupid.



"Daniel Hanna" wrote in message
home.com.au...
In Tim Tompkins wrote:
"Triforine is a "restricted use" pesticide (RUP) with an EPA toxicity
classification of I (highly toxic). Check with specific state
regulations for local restrictions which may apply. Products
containing triforine must bear the Signal Word "Danger" on their label.
"


So much for labels. Read the text, Tim! Has it killed anyone? Caused
cancer, perhaps? Maybe some birth defects or mutations? No? Perhaps
some soil persistence issues, then? Or maybe it accumulates in the
human body over time, then? No?

Triforine doesn't even kill aphids, Tim.

Now read http://www.roseshawaii.org/msds/orthenex.htm and see what it
says. Bingo, the dangerous part of this combination product is acephate.
It can poison a foetus and cause organ toxicity like other anti-
cholinesterase (organophosphate) chemicals. Even then it's pretty minor
league, compared to others in common garden use. Try looking up
dimethoate or diazinon for a real scare.



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On 18 Jul 2003 17:08:55 -0700, elfa wrote:


Below is what the Petaluma Rose Company says about it:

Powdery Mildew looks like a white dusting on rose leaves. It is controlled by
Orthenex. The organic method is 1T baking soda, 1T vinegar, 1 T vegetable oil to
a gallon of water. Other good sprays are neem oil, horticultural oils or ultra
fine oil (spray on cool days).

I've used the organic method, neem oil method and am now trying Orthenex (it was
a gift). All seemed to work for me. I'm in a climate that is hot and has NO
rain from May to October (zone 9) and it's currently 94 degrees as I write this.


elfa--

As you may already know, I have used Orthenex for years. The only time
I saw PM was the year I tried not spraying at all, and it was in the
fall. Just as it is where you are, it pretty much stays in the 90s
after sunrise here for a lot of the summer, so perhaps we do not get
PM as severely as those in cooler places.



elfa


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Old 25-07-2003, 05:12 PM
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On 20 Jul 2003 21:49:02 GMT, Daniel Hanna
wrote:

In Tim Tompkins wrote:
"Triforine is a "restricted use" pesticide (RUP) with an EPA toxicity
classification of I (highly toxic). Check with specific state
regulations for local restrictions which may apply. Products
containing triforine must bear the Signal Word "Danger" on their label.
"


So much for labels. Read the text, Tim! Has it killed anyone? Caused
cancer, perhaps? Maybe some birth defects or mutations? No? Perhaps
some soil persistence issues, then? Or maybe it accumulates in the
human body over time, then? No?

Triforine doesn't even kill aphids, Tim.

Now read http://www.roseshawaii.org/msds/orthenex.htm and see what it
says. Bingo, the dangerous part of this combination product is acephate.
It can poison a foetus and cause organ toxicity like other anti-
cholinesterase (organophosphate) chemicals. Even then it's pretty minor
league, compared to others in common garden use. Try looking up
dimethoate or diazinon for a real scare.



I avoid reading labels by suiting up and wearing gloves, goggles, and
a respirator every time I spray anything. No kidding. I have more
interesting things to attend to than labels and am not taking any
chances with my lungs or eyes etc. That said, they will get me to stop
Orthenex when they pry it from my arthritic but perfectly manicured
hands! G
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Old 25-07-2003, 05:12 PM
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 19:35:32 -0600, "Tim Tompkins"
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I do read the labels, any one who doesn't is in effect 'violating federal
law' by using the product(s) in any manner other than indicated, not to
mention being stupid.


1. Were you by chance in the military?

2. Do you still have all the tags on your mattresses?




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Old 25-07-2003, 05:12 PM
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On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 21:20:31 -0400, "Scopata Fuori"
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"James Curts" wrote in message
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I appreciate the help folks and from your answers I am sure I can make my
rose more comfortable, productive and attractive.


You could get it some friends, to start with. A nice floribunda, to keep it
company, perhaps? A choice Austin, or perhaps a handful of minis at its
feet?


Hahaha!




I admire your restraint.

One rose.

sigh

Scopata Fuori



"Bad Cat!"




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Old 25-07-2003, 05:22 PM
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On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 17:41:48 GMT, "James Curts"
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Just as I like it. Only got one woman too.

Jim


Jim, I think you need to take a look at the Arena catalog and also the
photos at the Gallery in the Rose section of Gardenweb. Really I do.
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"Shiva" wrote in message
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Jim, I think you need to take a look at the Arena catalog and also the
photos at the Gallery in the Rose section of Gardenweb. Really I do.


Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from aphids. For thine is the
King's Ransom, the Flower Power, and the Glory, for ever, Amenaide.



Scopata Fuori




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"Life can get too serious. We need an occasional dead frog to lighten
things." --- M. W. McChesney





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