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White powdery mildew
Daniel,
I know people who have liver damage and knew a man who died of multiple carcinome, most likely as a result of extended exposure to triforine. IT IS a hazardous chemical, other wise is would not carry the EPA toxcicity classification of 'I'. Acephate also carries the word 'danger' as per the EPA classification of toxins, 'I'. The point being, fungicides are used as a preventative measure and applied in a regular program to be affective. Exposure is much more likely with the regular use of triforine than acephate which is used when the insect population reaches a point that requires use of an insecticide. The use of a product that contiains both of these chemicals (triforine & acephate) is a even greater risk. Triforine is not an insecticide, true, many chemicals will kill aphids, that is not the point. It is not registered or intended for use as an insecticide. Diaznon is also very toxic. Since it is often applied to lawns, it is easily absorbed through the feet. How about your dog? BE CAREFUL with any pesticide, they are by design, TOXIC. Even the 'organics' are toxic, they would not work if they weren't. I do read the labels, any one who doesn't is in effect 'violating federal law' by using the product(s) in any manner other than indicated, not to mention being stupid. "Daniel Hanna" wrote in message home.com.au... In Tim Tompkins wrote: "Triforine is a "restricted use" pesticide (RUP) with an EPA toxicity classification of I (highly toxic). Check with specific state regulations for local restrictions which may apply. Products containing triforine must bear the Signal Word "Danger" on their label. " So much for labels. Read the text, Tim! Has it killed anyone? Caused cancer, perhaps? Maybe some birth defects or mutations? No? Perhaps some soil persistence issues, then? Or maybe it accumulates in the human body over time, then? No? Triforine doesn't even kill aphids, Tim. Now read http://www.roseshawaii.org/msds/orthenex.htm and see what it says. Bingo, the dangerous part of this combination product is acephate. It can poison a foetus and cause organ toxicity like other anti- cholinesterase (organophosphate) chemicals. Even then it's pretty minor league, compared to others in common garden use. Try looking up dimethoate or diazinon for a real scare. |
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Daniel,
I know people who have liver damage and knew a man who died of multiple carcinome, most likely as a result of extended exposure to triforine. IT IS a hazardous chemical, other wise is would not carry the EPA toxcicity classification of 'I'. Acephate also carries the word 'danger' as per the EPA classification of toxins, 'I'. The point being, fungicides are used as a preventative measure and applied in a regular program to be affective. Exposure is much more likely with the regular use of triforine than acephate which is used when the insect population reaches a point that requires use of an insecticide. The use of a product that contiains both of these chemicals (triforine & acephate) is a even greater risk. Triforine is not an insecticide, true, many chemicals will kill aphids, that is not the point. It is not registered or intended for use as an insecticide. Diaznon is also very toxic. Since it is often applied to lawns, it is easily absorbed through the feet. How about your dog? BE CAREFUL with any pesticide, they are by design, TOXIC. Even the 'organics' are toxic, they would not work if they weren't. I do read the labels, any one who doesn't is in effect 'violating federal law' by using the product(s) in any manner other than indicated, not to mention being stupid. "Daniel Hanna" wrote in message home.com.au... In Tim Tompkins wrote: "Triforine is a "restricted use" pesticide (RUP) with an EPA toxicity classification of I (highly toxic). Check with specific state regulations for local restrictions which may apply. Products containing triforine must bear the Signal Word "Danger" on their label. " So much for labels. Read the text, Tim! Has it killed anyone? Caused cancer, perhaps? Maybe some birth defects or mutations? No? Perhaps some soil persistence issues, then? Or maybe it accumulates in the human body over time, then? No? Triforine doesn't even kill aphids, Tim. Now read http://www.roseshawaii.org/msds/orthenex.htm and see what it says. Bingo, the dangerous part of this combination product is acephate. It can poison a foetus and cause organ toxicity like other anti- cholinesterase (organophosphate) chemicals. Even then it's pretty minor league, compared to others in common garden use. Try looking up dimethoate or diazinon for a real scare. |
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On 18 Jul 2003 17:08:55 -0700, elfa wrote:
Below is what the Petaluma Rose Company says about it: Powdery Mildew looks like a white dusting on rose leaves. It is controlled by Orthenex. The organic method is 1T baking soda, 1T vinegar, 1 T vegetable oil to a gallon of water. Other good sprays are neem oil, horticultural oils or ultra fine oil (spray on cool days). I've used the organic method, neem oil method and am now trying Orthenex (it was a gift). All seemed to work for me. I'm in a climate that is hot and has NO rain from May to October (zone 9) and it's currently 94 degrees as I write this. elfa-- As you may already know, I have used Orthenex for years. The only time I saw PM was the year I tried not spraying at all, and it was in the fall. Just as it is where you are, it pretty much stays in the 90s after sunrise here for a lot of the summer, so perhaps we do not get PM as severely as those in cooler places. elfa |
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White powdery mildew
On 20 Jul 2003 21:49:02 GMT, Daniel Hanna
wrote: In Tim Tompkins wrote: "Triforine is a "restricted use" pesticide (RUP) with an EPA toxicity classification of I (highly toxic). Check with specific state regulations for local restrictions which may apply. Products containing triforine must bear the Signal Word "Danger" on their label. " So much for labels. Read the text, Tim! Has it killed anyone? Caused cancer, perhaps? Maybe some birth defects or mutations? No? Perhaps some soil persistence issues, then? Or maybe it accumulates in the human body over time, then? No? Triforine doesn't even kill aphids, Tim. Now read http://www.roseshawaii.org/msds/orthenex.htm and see what it says. Bingo, the dangerous part of this combination product is acephate. It can poison a foetus and cause organ toxicity like other anti- cholinesterase (organophosphate) chemicals. Even then it's pretty minor league, compared to others in common garden use. Try looking up dimethoate or diazinon for a real scare. I avoid reading labels by suiting up and wearing gloves, goggles, and a respirator every time I spray anything. No kidding. I have more interesting things to attend to than labels and am not taking any chances with my lungs or eyes etc. That said, they will get me to stop Orthenex when they pry it from my arthritic but perfectly manicured hands! G |
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 19:35:32 -0600, "Tim Tompkins"
wrote: I do read the labels, any one who doesn't is in effect 'violating federal law' by using the product(s) in any manner other than indicated, not to mention being stupid. 1. Were you by chance in the military? 2. Do you still have all the tags on your mattresses? |
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On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 21:20:31 -0400, "Scopata Fuori"
wrote: "James Curts" wrote in message news:vgfSa.98625$Ph3.12015@sccrnsc04... I appreciate the help folks and from your answers I am sure I can make my rose more comfortable, productive and attractive. You could get it some friends, to start with. A nice floribunda, to keep it company, perhaps? A choice Austin, or perhaps a handful of minis at its feet? Hahaha! I admire your restraint. One rose. sigh Scopata Fuori "Bad Cat!" |
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On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 17:41:48 GMT, "James Curts"
wrote: Just as I like it. Only got one woman too. Jim Jim, I think you need to take a look at the Arena catalog and also the photos at the Gallery in the Rose section of Gardenweb. Really I do. |
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White powdery mildew
"Shiva" wrote in message s.com... Jim, I think you need to take a look at the Arena catalog and also the photos at the Gallery in the Rose section of Gardenweb. Really I do. Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from aphids. For thine is the King's Ransom, the Flower Power, and the Glory, for ever, Amenaide. Scopata Fuori -- "Life can get too serious. We need an occasional dead frog to lighten things." --- M. W. McChesney |
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