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Hi Philip,

I understand.

For myself, I thought a specific forum was necessary for the fragrant
miniatures. As it stands, it's very difficult to identify all of the
fragrant miniatures. Many of them appear "lost" in the sea of other
varieties, some may have slipped into obscurity, some are only
mentioned in particular forums or publications, etc. I think a
thorough search and record of these varieties is essential. There are
outstanding varieties, both new and old, that are virtually unknown
among rosarians, even some who specialize in miniatures! I think
these varieties could be much more popular if the general public could
become aware of them. The average miniature rose I see in local
stores is non-fragrant, not an identified cultivar, and often
disappointing for other reasons. I think these factors have severely
harmed the public awareness and oinion of miniature roses. There
doesn't seem to be any valid reason that it must remain so.

I wish to see further development of new varieties, which may be
accelerated with further attention given to the subject. I personally
will be attempting to develop new varieties. There is no guarantee of
success, but I think if I persevere, I increase my chances.

I apologize for the disgruntled nature of my previous message.

Dan

Philip Lewis wrote in message .edu...
(Dan Gannon) writes:
Is there no interest among English-speaking people, in fragrant
miniature roses? I'm not going to keep the Fragrant Miniature

While I personally am interested in miniatures (and bonsai, and other
dwarfed species... sucks to only have a small yard I do not feel
I have sufficient interest in joining yet another yahoogroup. This
newsgroup is about roses in general so miniature rose discussion would
be on topic here. Personally, i'll stay/ask here if i have
questions on miniatures.

Mike,

I apologize if I've offended you. It was also not my intention to
threaten; I was stating my thoughts and feelings honestly, though
perhaps without tact. If nobody's interested, is it a threat t say
I'll take my efforts elsewhere?

I'm afraid you're mistaken about my "elitist worldview." I'm a native
English speaker. Granted, I'm dissatisfied with some things in the
culture I belong to. But that's not the same as elitism.

You are certainly free to pass, of course. As is everyone - including
myself.

Dan

Mike wrote in message ...
On 8 Mar 2004, (Dan Gannon) wrote:
(Dan Gannon) wrote in message
.com...
everyone is welcome:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fragrant_mini_roses

Is there no interest among English-speaking people, in fragrant
miniature roses? I'm not going to keep the Fragrant Miniature
Roses group open forever with no participation. This is quite
depressing.

At least I know speakers of many other languages are keenly
interested in this topic. Need the English-speaking world lose
out? You decide. Right now, I'm feeling like I'm only going to
contribute in other languages. (Cantonese, Spanish, Thai, etc.)

Phooey!

Dan

Ummm.. you're coming off a bit strong there, Dan. It's a turn-off. Sounds
like you're scolding and threatening us if we don't join your group. Then
there's that elitist worldview that English-speaking people are boors
slipping into your rant that'll just charm the pants off everyone. Pass.

Mike

Mike,

I apologize if I've offended you. It was also not my intention to
threaten; I was stating my thoughts and feelings honestly, though
perhaps without tact. If nobody's interested, is it a threat t say
I'll take my efforts elsewhere?

I'm afraid you're mistaken about my "elitist worldview." I'm a native
English speaker. Granted, I'm dissatisfied with some things in the
culture I belong to. But that's not the same as elitism.

You are certainly free to pass, of course. As is everyone - including
myself.

Dan

Mike wrote in message ...
On 8 Mar 2004, (Dan Gannon) wrote:
(Dan Gannon) wrote in message
.com...
everyone is welcome:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fragrant_mini_roses

Is there no interest among English-speaking people, in fragrant
miniature roses? I'm not going to keep the Fragrant Miniature
Roses group open forever with no participation. This is quite
depressing.

At least I know speakers of many other languages are keenly
interested in this topic. Need the English-speaking world lose
out? You decide. Right now, I'm feeling like I'm only going to
contribute in other languages. (Cantonese, Spanish, Thai, etc.)

Phooey!

Dan

Ummm.. you're coming off a bit strong there, Dan. It's a turn-off. Sounds
like you're scolding and threatening us if we don't join your group. Then
there's that elitist worldview that English-speaking people are boors
slipping into your rant that'll just charm the pants off everyone. Pass.

Mike

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Hi Philip,

I understand.

For myself, I thought a specific forum was necessary for the fragrant
miniatures. As it stands, it's very difficult to identify all of the
fragrant miniatures. Many of them appear "lost" in the sea of other
varieties, some may have slipped into obscurity, some are only
mentioned in particular forums or publications, etc. I think a
thorough search and record of these varieties is essential. There are
outstanding varieties, both new and old, that are virtually unknown
among rosarians, even some who specialize in miniatures! I think
these varieties could be much more popular if the general public could
become aware of them. The average miniature rose I see in local
stores is non-fragrant, not an identified cultivar, and often
disappointing for other reasons. I think these factors have severely
harmed the public awareness and oinion of miniature roses. There
doesn't seem to be any valid reason that it must remain so.

I wish to see further development of new varieties, which may be
accelerated with further attention given to the subject. I personally
will be attempting to develop new varieties. There is no guarantee of
success, but I think if I persevere, I increase my chances.

I apologize for the disgruntled nature of my previous message.

Dan

Philip Lewis wrote in message .edu...
(Dan Gannon) writes:
Is there no interest among English-speaking people, in fragrant
miniature roses? I'm not going to keep the Fragrant Miniature

While I personally am interested in miniatures (and bonsai, and other
dwarfed species... sucks to only have a small yard I do not feel
I have sufficient interest in joining yet another yahoogroup. This
newsgroup is about roses in general so miniature rose discussion would
be on topic here. Personally, i'll stay/ask here if i have
questions on miniatures.

"Dan Gannon" wrote in message
om...
Hello, everyone!

You're invited to my new Yahoo Group, "Fragrant Miniature Roses." The
purpose of the group is identifying, discussing and sharing photos of
the fragrant miniatures.

Here's the link:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fragrant_mini_roses/


I have never understood the need of people to create a create specialized
categories, when the volume for that subject is so low. Most of the
questions about minis in rec.gardens.roses are along the lines of "I bought
this mini at the nursery on impulse, and now it's dying, please help"

"If you build it, they will come" only worked in field of dreams. But I
guess the lack of membership to your group has proven that.

Sameer

"Dan Gannon" wrote in message
om...
Hello, everyone!

You're invited to my new Yahoo Group, "Fragrant Miniature Roses." The
purpose of the group is identifying, discussing and sharing photos of
the fragrant miniatures.

Here's the link:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fragrant_mini_roses/


I have never understood the need of people to create a create specialized
categories, when the volume for that subject is so low. Most of the
questions about minis in rec.gardens.roses are along the lines of "I bought
this mini at the nursery on impulse, and now it's dying, please help"

"If you build it, they will come" only worked in field of dreams. But I
guess the lack of membership to your group has proven that.

Sameer

Mike,

I apologize if I've offended you. It was also not my intention to
threaten; I was stating my thoughts and feelings honestly, though
perhaps without tact. If nobody's interested, is it a threat t say
I'll take my efforts elsewhere?

I'm afraid you're mistaken about my "elitist worldview." I'm a native
English speaker. Granted, I'm dissatisfied with some things in the
culture I belong to. But that's not the same as elitism.

You are certainly free to pass, of course. As is everyone - including
myself.

Dan

Mike wrote in message ...
On 8 Mar 2004, (Dan Gannon) wrote:
(Dan Gannon) wrote in message
.com...
everyone is welcome:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fragrant_mini_roses

Is there no interest among English-speaking people, in fragrant
miniature roses? I'm not going to keep the Fragrant Miniature
Roses group open forever with no participation. This is quite
depressing.

At least I know speakers of many other languages are keenly
interested in this topic. Need the English-speaking world lose
out? You decide. Right now, I'm feeling like I'm only going to
contribute in other languages. (Cantonese, Spanish, Thai, etc.)

Phooey!

Dan

Ummm.. you're coming off a bit strong there, Dan. It's a turn-off. Sounds
like you're scolding and threatening us if we don't join your group. Then
there's that elitist worldview that English-speaking people are boors
slipping into your rant that'll just charm the pants off everyone. Pass.

Mike

"Dan Gannon" wrote in message
om...
Hello, everyone!

You're invited to my new Yahoo Group, "Fragrant Miniature Roses." The
purpose of the group is identifying, discussing and sharing photos of
the fragrant miniatures.

Here's the link:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fragrant_mini_roses/


I have never understood the need of people to create a create specialized
categories, when the volume for that subject is so low. Most of the
questions about minis in rec.gardens.roses are along the lines of "I bought
this mini at the nursery on impulse, and now it's dying, please help"

"If you build it, they will come" only worked in field of dreams. But I
guess the lack of membership to your group has proven that.

Sameer

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Hi Philip,

I understand.

For myself, I thought a specific forum was necessary for the fragrant
miniatures. As it stands, it's very difficult to identify all of the
fragrant miniatures. Many of them appear "lost" in the sea of other
varieties, some may have slipped into obscurity, some are only
mentioned in particular forums or publications, etc. I think a
thorough search and record of these varieties is essential. There are
outstanding varieties, both new and old, that are virtually unknown
among rosarians, even some who specialize in miniatures! I think
these varieties could be much more popular if the general public could
become aware of them. The average miniature rose I see in local
stores is non-fragrant, not an identified cultivar, and often
disappointing for other reasons. I think these factors have severely
harmed the public awareness and oinion of miniature roses. There
doesn't seem to be any valid reason that it must remain so.

I wish to see further development of new varieties, which may be
accelerated with further attention given to the subject. I personally
will be attempting to develop new varieties. There is no guarantee of
success, but I think if I persevere, I increase my chances.

I apologize for the disgruntled nature of my previous message.

Dan

Philip Lewis wrote in message .edu...
(Dan Gannon) writes:
Is there no interest among English-speaking people, in fragrant
miniature roses? I'm not going to keep the Fragrant Miniature

While I personally am interested in miniatures (and bonsai, and other
dwarfed species... sucks to only have a small yard I do not feel
I have sufficient interest in joining yet another yahoogroup. This
newsgroup is about roses in general so miniature rose discussion would
be on topic here. Personally, i'll stay/ask here if i have
questions on miniatures.

Mike,

I apologize if I've offended you. It was also not my intention to
threaten; I was stating my thoughts and feelings honestly, though
perhaps without tact. If nobody's interested, is it a threat t say
I'll take my efforts elsewhere?

I'm afraid you're mistaken about my "elitist worldview." I'm a native
English speaker. Granted, I'm dissatisfied with some things in the
culture I belong to. But that's not the same as elitism.

You are certainly free to pass, of course. As is everyone - including
myself.

Dan

Mike wrote in message ...
On 8 Mar 2004, (Dan Gannon) wrote:
(Dan Gannon) wrote in message
.com...
everyone is welcome:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fragrant_mini_roses

Is there no interest among English-speaking people, in fragrant
miniature roses? I'm not going to keep the Fragrant Miniature
Roses group open forever with no participation. This is quite
depressing.

At least I know speakers of many other languages are keenly
interested in this topic. Need the English-speaking world lose
out? You decide. Right now, I'm feeling like I'm only going to
contribute in other languages. (Cantonese, Spanish, Thai, etc.)

Phooey!

Dan

Ummm.. you're coming off a bit strong there, Dan. It's a turn-off. Sounds
like you're scolding and threatening us if we don't join your group. Then
there's that elitist worldview that English-speaking people are boors
slipping into your rant that'll just charm the pants off everyone. Pass.

Mike

Mike,

I apologize if I've offended you. It was also not my intention to
threaten; I was stating my thoughts and feelings honestly, though
perhaps without tact. If nobody's interested, is it a threat t say
I'll take my efforts elsewhere?

I'm afraid you're mistaken about my "elitist worldview." I'm a native
English speaker. Granted, I'm dissatisfied with some things in the
culture I belong to. But that's not the same as elitism.

You are certainly free to pass, of course. As is everyone - including
myself.

Dan

Mike wrote in message ...
On 8 Mar 2004, (Dan Gannon) wrote:
(Dan Gannon) wrote in message
.com...
everyone is welcome:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fragrant_mini_roses

Is there no interest among English-speaking people, in fragrant
miniature roses? I'm not going to keep the Fragrant Miniature
Roses group open forever with no participation. This is quite
depressing.

At least I know speakers of many other languages are keenly
interested in this topic. Need the English-speaking world lose
out? You decide. Right now, I'm feeling like I'm only going to
contribute in other languages. (Cantonese, Spanish, Thai, etc.)

Phooey!

Dan

Ummm.. you're coming off a bit strong there, Dan. It's a turn-off. Sounds
like you're scolding and threatening us if we don't join your group. Then
there's that elitist worldview that English-speaking people are boors
slipping into your rant that'll just charm the pants off everyone. Pass.

Mike

Mike,

I apologize if I've offended you. It was also not my intention to
threaten; I was stating my thoughts and feelings honestly, though
perhaps without tact. If nobody's interested, is it a threat t say
I'll take my efforts elsewhere?

I'm afraid you're mistaken about my "elitist worldview." I'm a native
English speaker. Granted, I'm dissatisfied with some things in the
culture I belong to. But that's not the same as elitism.

You are certainly free to pass, of course. As is everyone - including
myself.

Dan

Mike wrote in message ...
On 8 Mar 2004, (Dan Gannon) wrote:
(Dan Gannon) wrote in message
.com...
everyone is welcome:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fragrant_mini_roses

Is there no interest among English-speaking people, in fragrant
miniature roses? I'm not going to keep the Fragrant Miniature
Roses group open forever with no participation. This is quite
depressing.

At least I know speakers of many other languages are keenly
interested in this topic. Need the English-speaking world lose
out? You decide. Right now, I'm feeling like I'm only going to
contribute in other languages. (Cantonese, Spanish, Thai, etc.)

Phooey!

Dan

Ummm.. you're coming off a bit strong there, Dan. It's a turn-off. Sounds
like you're scolding and threatening us if we don't join your group. Then
there's that elitist worldview that English-speaking people are boors
slipping into your rant that'll just charm the pants off everyone. Pass.

Mike

"Dan Gannon" wrote in message
om...
Hello, everyone!

You're invited to my new Yahoo Group, "Fragrant Miniature Roses." The
purpose of the group is identifying, discussing and sharing photos of
the fragrant miniatures.

Here's the link:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fragrant_mini_roses/


I have never understood the need of people to create a create specialized
categories, when the volume for that subject is so low. Most of the
questions about minis in rec.gardens.roses are along the lines of "I bought
this mini at the nursery on impulse, and now it's dying, please help"

"If you build it, they will come" only worked in field of dreams. But I
guess the lack of membership to your group has proven that.

Sameer

"Dan Gannon" wrote in message
om...
Hello, everyone!

You're invited to my new Yahoo Group, "Fragrant Miniature Roses." The
purpose of the group is identifying, discussing and sharing photos of
the fragrant miniatures.

Here's the link:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fragrant_mini_roses/


I have never understood the need of people to create a create specialized
categories, when the volume for that subject is so low. Most of the
questions about minis in rec.gardens.roses are along the lines of "I bought
this mini at the nursery on impulse, and now it's dying, please help"

"If you build it, they will come" only worked in field of dreams. But I
guess the lack of membership to your group has proven that.

Sameer

"Dan Gannon" wrote in message
om...
Hello, everyone!

You're invited to my new Yahoo Group, "Fragrant Miniature Roses." The
purpose of the group is identifying, discussing and sharing photos of
the fragrant miniatures.

Here's the link:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fragrant_mini_roses/


I have never understood the need of people to create a create specialized
categories, when the volume for that subject is so low. Most of the
questions about minis in rec.gardens.roses are along the lines of "I bought
this mini at the nursery on impulse, and now it's dying, please help"

"If you build it, they will come" only worked in field of dreams. But I
guess the lack of membership to your group has proven that.

Sameer