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Old 07-03-2004, 01:42 AM
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Hello, everyone!

You're invited to my new Yahoo Group, "Fragrant Miniature Roses." The
purpose of the group is identifying, discussing and sharing photos of
the fragrant miniatures.

Here's the link:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fragrant_mini_roses/

Thanks, and I hope you'll stop by!

Dan Gannon (dedicated new rosarian)
Portland, Oregon - "The City of Roses"

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Hello, everyone!

You're invited to my new Yahoo Group, "Fragrant Miniature Roses." The
purpose of the group is identifying, discussing and sharing photos of
the fragrant miniatures.



How many times can you discuss the same dozen roses? Bor-ing.

Miniatures are overwhelmingly scentless, mostly because most breeders have
focused on the same high centered "exhibition" style form that wins shows
and not on growing good garden roses that can fill in around a mailbox and
that are worth bending over to sniff. Ralph Moore and now Paul Barden are
the only exceptions that come to mind in even trying something interesting
and non cookie cutter. If you could come up with a list of even two dozen
that you could smell at all, I'd be very surprised. Don't even get me
started on disease resistance, which is a total joke also.

Give me a good polyantha anyday. If I could only grow a half dozen roses in
my dotage, 3 of them would be the polyanthas Perle d'Or, Clotilde Soupert,
and Marie Daly, which are mannerly pot acceptible constant blooming strong
scented beautiful shrubs. Add Belinda's Dream, Mrs. B.R. Cant and Blush
Noisette as the other 3, and although I might be missing out on some of my
favorite teas and noisettes in yellow, the beautiful shrubs and strong
scents would totally compensate me while I puttered and drooled away.

Sunflower
MS 7b


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Old 07-03-2004, 08:02 PM
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"Dan Gannon" wrote in message
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Hello, everyone!

You're invited to my new Yahoo Group, "Fragrant Miniature Roses." The
purpose of the group is identifying, discussing and sharing photos of
the fragrant miniatures.

[ link restored: ]
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fragrant_mini_roses

How many times can you discuss the same dozen roses? Bor-ing.


I beg to differ on this point. I've already found more than a dozen,
I think about 4 dozen. And I've only reviewed about 700 or 800 in the
online literature, and smelled quite a few less, as I am a newbie. I
plan to smell a lot more this spring - hopefully more than 1,000. I
will definitely be making a list of the ones I find to be fragrant,
which I'll be more than happy to share on the Fragrant Miniature Roses
group.

Of those I've already smelled, I've discovered that some do have a
definite fragrance, even though there is no mention of fragrance in
their online descriptions.

It appears that sometimes, a miniature rose will have moderate or
light fragrance, but its fragrance won't be mentioned by the breeder
in the varietal description, possibly for fear of reactions such as,
"that's only a moderate fragrance, we want overpowering fragrance."
But in my mind, even a light fragrance is much better than no
fragrance, in a miniature rose.

Miniatures are overwhelmingly scentless, mostly because most breeders have
focused on the same high centered "exhibition" style form that wins shows
and not on growing good garden roses that can fill in around a mailbox and
that are worth bending over to sniff. Ralph Moore and now Paul Barden are
the only exceptions that come to mind in even trying something interesting
and non cookie cutter. If you could come up with a list of even two dozen
that you could smell at all, I'd be very surprised. Don't even get me
started on disease resistance, which is a total joke also.


I've read, and personally found, that many minis are remarkablly
disease-resistant. Part of that is said to be due to the fact that
most minis are grown on their own roots. But if disease-resistance is
a problem, that's an issue that hybridizers would do well to address.
I know I plan to do so, and I plan to hybridize fragrant roses, using
two fragrant parents in most cases. I do not hide the fact that I am
a newbie, but that is my plan. I believe I've read enough articles
from the "old timers" already, that I am ready to begin hybridizing
this year. I do already have experience with fish breeding, including
genetic tetraploids (fancy goldfish.) Compared to fancy goldfish,
roses should be easier in at least one regard - once you get a
desirable specimen, it can be propagated clonally via cuttings. With
goldfish, no such luck - you've got to try to "fix the strain" to get
any appreciable production, which is notoriously difficult with
tetraploids, especially goldfish, for reasons that I won't get into
here.

I've already set up a micro-greenhouse with misting system that was
very low-cost. If it works well, I'll share the details on the
Fragrant Miniature Roses group. If it doesn't work well, I'll modify
it, of course.

With the relatively rapid rate that new fragrant varieties have been
created in recent years, I'm surprised at the hardened attitude that
seems to exist among many long-time rosarians, regarding this topic.
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, as the same thing happens again
and again in virtually every field or subject. It seems to be human
nature. In that case, people should be prepared to be surprised yet
again.

Give me a good polyantha anyday. If I could only grow a half dozen roses in
my dotage, 3 of them would be the polyanthas Perle d'Or, Clotilde Soupert,
and Marie Daly, which are mannerly pot acceptible constant blooming strong
scented beautiful shrubs. Add Belinda's Dream, Mrs. B.R. Cant and Blush
Noisette as the other 3, and although I might be missing out on some of my
favorite teas and noisettes in yellow, the beautiful shrubs and strong
scents would totally compensate me while I puttered and drooled away.


Each person will decide what he or she likes, and that can change over
time, of course. I enjoy many of the larger rose varieties, but I
don't have much space to grow them, as a renter. When my wife and I
move into a house, we plan to plant plenty of larger roses. We're
still constructing a long list of highly fragrant candidates.

Dan Gannon
everyone is welcome:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fragrant_mini_roses
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Old 08-03-2004, 01:02 PM
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(Dan Gannon) wrote in message . com...
everyone is welcome:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fragrant_mini_roses

Is there no interest among English-speaking people, in fragrant
miniature roses? I'm not going to keep the Fragrant Miniature
Roses group open forever with no participation. This is quite
depressing.

At least I know speakers of many other languages are keenly
interested in this topic. Need the English-speaking world lose
out? You decide. Right now, I'm feeling like I'm only going to
contribute in other languages. (Cantonese, Spanish, Thai, etc.)

Phooey!

Dan
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Old 08-03-2004, 03:11 PM
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On 8 Mar 2004 03:45:51 -0800, (Dan Gannon) wrote:

(Dan Gannon) wrote in message . com...
everyone is welcome:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fragrant_mini_roses

Is there no interest among English-speaking people, in fragrant
miniature roses?


Probably only a little. Miniature roses has only a fairly limited
interest compared to, say hybrid teas or old garden roses. And now,
you've limited it even more to a tiny fraction of *those* roses.
Frankly, how much can you say about them?

I'm not going to keep the Fragrant Miniature
Roses group open forever with no participation. This is quite
depressing.


Ummmmm, I'd say a couple of things. First of all, give it a little
time. You might get a few takers. Second, considering the narrow
parameters of the group, I wouldn't hold my breath. And third, I
wouldn't take it as a personal affront.

At least I know speakers of many other languages are keenly
interested in this topic.


How do you know this?

Need the English-speaking world lose out?


Now you're just being a drama queen. Sorry. I doubt that the
English-speaking world is going to collapse because they don't support
an extremely narrow interest group on Yahoo.

You decide. Right now, I'm feeling like I'm only going to
contribute in other languages. (Cantonese, Spanish, Thai, etc.)

Phooey!

Dan


Dan, Dan, Dan, this is no way to introduce yourself to this group.
First of all, it makes you look petty and small. Second of all,
contrast the worldwide interest in roses to the interest in *your*
subject. And then look at participation in *this* group. It's not
exactly a flood of posts, you know. And so far, we haven't seen all
that much from you that would entice us to join such a group.
Hectoring isn't going to help. Miniature roses is but a portion of the
rose universe. They are interesting, but so are moss roses. Those who
love moss roses don't freak out when people don't discuss them all
that much.

I'm glad that you have found a intense interest in this oft-too
ignored niche. But that's all it is - a niche. Heck, if it weren't for
Ralph Moore, it would be a mere curiosity. I'd say that you're off to
a good start in being a specialist and your input and viewpoint will
be of great value, *if* you choose to share it with everyone, not just
the few individuals who share your passion.

I have noticed that The Uncommon Rose up in your neck of the woods is
carrying some new interesting varieties this year. That's a good
thing.

Look mate,


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Old 08-03-2004, 03:21 PM
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On 8 Mar 2004 03:45:51 -0800, (Dan Gannon) wrote:

(Dan Gannon) wrote in message . com...
everyone is welcome:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fragrant_mini_roses

Is there no interest among English-speaking people, in fragrant
miniature roses?


Probably only a little. Miniature roses has only a fairly limited
interest compared to, say hybrid teas or old garden roses. And now,
you've limited it even more to a tiny fraction of *those* roses.
Frankly, how much can you say about them?

I'm not going to keep the Fragrant Miniature
Roses group open forever with no participation. This is quite
depressing.


Ummmmm, I'd say a couple of things. First of all, give it a little
time. You might get a few takers. Second, considering the narrow
parameters of the group, I wouldn't hold my breath. And third, I
wouldn't take it as a personal affront.

At least I know speakers of many other languages are keenly
interested in this topic.


How do you know this?

Need the English-speaking world lose out?


Now you're just being a drama queen. Sorry. I doubt that the
English-speaking world is going to collapse because they don't support
an extremely narrow interest group on Yahoo.

You decide. Right now, I'm feeling like I'm only going to
contribute in other languages. (Cantonese, Spanish, Thai, etc.)

Phooey!

Dan


Dan, Dan, Dan, this is no way to introduce yourself to this group.
First of all, it makes you look petty and small. Second of all,
contrast the worldwide interest in roses to the interest in *your*
subject. And then look at participation in *this* group. It's not
exactly a flood of posts, you know. And so far, we haven't seen all
that much from you that would entice us to join such a group.
Hectoring isn't going to help. Miniature roses is but a portion of the
rose universe. They are interesting, but so are moss roses. Those who
love moss roses don't freak out when people don't discuss them all
that much.

I'm glad that you have found a intense interest in this oft-too
ignored niche. But that's all it is - a niche. Heck, if it weren't for
Ralph Moore, it would be a mere curiosity. I'd say that you're off to
a good start in being a specialist and your input and viewpoint will
be of great value, *if* you choose to share it with everyone, not just
the few individuals who share your passion.

I have noticed that The Uncommon Rose up in your neck of the woods is
carrying some new interesting varieties this year. That's a good
thing.

Look mate,
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Old 08-03-2004, 03:56 PM
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On 8 Mar 2004 03:45:51 -0800, (Dan Gannon) wrote:

(Dan Gannon) wrote in message . com...
everyone is welcome:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fragrant_mini_roses

Is there no interest among English-speaking people, in fragrant
miniature roses?


Probably only a little. Miniature roses has only a fairly limited
interest compared to, say hybrid teas or old garden roses. And now,
you've limited it even more to a tiny fraction of *those* roses.
Frankly, how much can you say about them?

I'm not going to keep the Fragrant Miniature
Roses group open forever with no participation. This is quite
depressing.


Ummmmm, I'd say a couple of things. First of all, give it a little
time. You might get a few takers. Second, considering the narrow
parameters of the group, I wouldn't hold my breath. And third, I
wouldn't take it as a personal affront.

At least I know speakers of many other languages are keenly
interested in this topic.


How do you know this?

Need the English-speaking world lose out?


Now you're just being a drama queen. Sorry. I doubt that the
English-speaking world is going to collapse because they don't support
an extremely narrow interest group on Yahoo.

You decide. Right now, I'm feeling like I'm only going to
contribute in other languages. (Cantonese, Spanish, Thai, etc.)

Phooey!

Dan


Dan, Dan, Dan, this is no way to introduce yourself to this group.
First of all, it makes you look petty and small. Second of all,
contrast the worldwide interest in roses to the interest in *your*
subject. And then look at participation in *this* group. It's not
exactly a flood of posts, you know. And so far, we haven't seen all
that much from you that would entice us to join such a group.
Hectoring isn't going to help. Miniature roses is but a portion of the
rose universe. They are interesting, but so are moss roses. Those who
love moss roses don't freak out when people don't discuss them all
that much.

I'm glad that you have found a intense interest in this oft-too
ignored niche. But that's all it is - a niche. Heck, if it weren't for
Ralph Moore, it would be a mere curiosity. I'd say that you're off to
a good start in being a specialist and your input and viewpoint will
be of great value, *if* you choose to share it with everyone, not just
the few individuals who share your passion.

I have noticed that The Uncommon Rose up in your neck of the woods is
carrying some new interesting varieties this year. That's a good
thing.

Look mate,
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Old 08-03-2004, 03:56 PM
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On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 08:11:04 -0600, in rec.gardens.roses you wrote:

On 8 Mar 2004 03:45:51 -0800, (Dan Gannon) wrote:

(Dan Gannon) wrote in message . com...
everyone is welcome:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fragrant_mini_roses

Is there no interest among English-speaking people, in fragrant
miniature roses?


Probably only a little. Miniature roses has only a fairly limited
interest compared to, say hybrid teas or old garden roses. And now,
you've limited it even more to a tiny fraction of *those* roses.
Frankly, how much can you say about them?

I'm not going to keep the Fragrant Miniature
Roses group open forever with no participation. This is quite
depressing.


Ummmmm, I'd say a couple of things. First of all, give it a little
time. You might get a few takers. Second, considering the narrow
parameters of the group, I wouldn't hold my breath. And third, I
wouldn't take it as a personal affront.

At least I know speakers of many other languages are keenly
interested in this topic.


How do you know this?

Need the English-speaking world lose out?


Now you're just being a drama queen. Sorry. I doubt that the
English-speaking world is going to collapse because they don't support
an extremely narrow interest group on Yahoo.

You decide. Right now, I'm feeling like I'm only going to
contribute in other languages. (Cantonese, Spanish, Thai, etc.)

Phooey!

Dan


Dan, Dan, Dan, this is no way to introduce yourself to this group.
First of all, it makes you look petty and small. Second of all,
contrast the worldwide interest in roses to the interest in *your*
subject. And then look at participation in *this* group. It's not
exactly a flood of posts, you know. And so far, we haven't seen all
that much from you that would entice us to join such a group.
Hectoring isn't going to help. Miniature roses is but a portion of the
rose universe. They are interesting, but so are moss roses. Those who
love moss roses don't freak out when people don't discuss them all
that much.

I'm glad that you have found a intense interest in this oft-too
ignored niche. But that's all it is - a niche. Heck, if it weren't for
Ralph Moore, it would be a mere curiosity. I'd say that you're off to
a good start in being a specialist and your input and viewpoint will
be of great value, *if* you choose to share it with everyone, not just
the few individuals who share your passion.

I have noticed that The Uncommon Rose up in your neck of the woods is
carrying some new interesting varieties this year. That's a good
thing.

Look mate,


Oooops, hit send too quickly...

I forgot what I was going to say anyway...chuckle

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On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 08:11:04 -0600, in rec.gardens.roses you wrote:

On 8 Mar 2004 03:45:51 -0800, (Dan Gannon) wrote:

(Dan Gannon) wrote in message . com...
everyone is welcome:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fragrant_mini_roses

Is there no interest among English-speaking people, in fragrant
miniature roses?


Probably only a little. Miniature roses has only a fairly limited
interest compared to, say hybrid teas or old garden roses. And now,
you've limited it even more to a tiny fraction of *those* roses.
Frankly, how much can you say about them?

I'm not going to keep the Fragrant Miniature
Roses group open forever with no participation. This is quite
depressing.


Ummmmm, I'd say a couple of things. First of all, give it a little
time. You might get a few takers. Second, considering the narrow
parameters of the group, I wouldn't hold my breath. And third, I
wouldn't take it as a personal affront.

At least I know speakers of many other languages are keenly
interested in this topic.


How do you know this?

Need the English-speaking world lose out?


Now you're just being a drama queen. Sorry. I doubt that the
English-speaking world is going to collapse because they don't support
an extremely narrow interest group on Yahoo.

You decide. Right now, I'm feeling like I'm only going to
contribute in other languages. (Cantonese, Spanish, Thai, etc.)

Phooey!

Dan


Dan, Dan, Dan, this is no way to introduce yourself to this group.
First of all, it makes you look petty and small. Second of all,
contrast the worldwide interest in roses to the interest in *your*
subject. And then look at participation in *this* group. It's not
exactly a flood of posts, you know. And so far, we haven't seen all
that much from you that would entice us to join such a group.
Hectoring isn't going to help. Miniature roses is but a portion of the
rose universe. They are interesting, but so are moss roses. Those who
love moss roses don't freak out when people don't discuss them all
that much.

I'm glad that you have found a intense interest in this oft-too
ignored niche. But that's all it is - a niche. Heck, if it weren't for
Ralph Moore, it would be a mere curiosity. I'd say that you're off to
a good start in being a specialist and your input and viewpoint will
be of great value, *if* you choose to share it with everyone, not just
the few individuals who share your passion.

I have noticed that The Uncommon Rose up in your neck of the woods is
carrying some new interesting varieties this year. That's a good
thing.

Look mate,


Oooops, hit send too quickly...

I forgot what I was going to say anyway...chuckle

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On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 08:11:04 -0600, in rec.gardens.roses you wrote:

On 8 Mar 2004 03:45:51 -0800, (Dan Gannon) wrote:

(Dan Gannon) wrote in message . com...
everyone is welcome:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fragrant_mini_roses

Is there no interest among English-speaking people, in fragrant
miniature roses?


Probably only a little. Miniature roses has only a fairly limited
interest compared to, say hybrid teas or old garden roses. And now,
you've limited it even more to a tiny fraction of *those* roses.
Frankly, how much can you say about them?

I'm not going to keep the Fragrant Miniature
Roses group open forever with no participation. This is quite
depressing.


Ummmmm, I'd say a couple of things. First of all, give it a little
time. You might get a few takers. Second, considering the narrow
parameters of the group, I wouldn't hold my breath. And third, I
wouldn't take it as a personal affront.

At least I know speakers of many other languages are keenly
interested in this topic.


How do you know this?

Need the English-speaking world lose out?


Now you're just being a drama queen. Sorry. I doubt that the
English-speaking world is going to collapse because they don't support
an extremely narrow interest group on Yahoo.

You decide. Right now, I'm feeling like I'm only going to
contribute in other languages. (Cantonese, Spanish, Thai, etc.)

Phooey!

Dan


Dan, Dan, Dan, this is no way to introduce yourself to this group.
First of all, it makes you look petty and small. Second of all,
contrast the worldwide interest in roses to the interest in *your*
subject. And then look at participation in *this* group. It's not
exactly a flood of posts, you know. And so far, we haven't seen all
that much from you that would entice us to join such a group.
Hectoring isn't going to help. Miniature roses is but a portion of the
rose universe. They are interesting, but so are moss roses. Those who
love moss roses don't freak out when people don't discuss them all
that much.

I'm glad that you have found a intense interest in this oft-too
ignored niche. But that's all it is - a niche. Heck, if it weren't for
Ralph Moore, it would be a mere curiosity. I'd say that you're off to
a good start in being a specialist and your input and viewpoint will
be of great value, *if* you choose to share it with everyone, not just
the few individuals who share your passion.

I have noticed that The Uncommon Rose up in your neck of the woods is
carrying some new interesting varieties this year. That's a good
thing.

Look mate,


Oooops, hit send too quickly...

I forgot what I was going to say anyway...chuckle



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Old 08-03-2004, 06:46 PM
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On 8 Mar 2004, (Dan Gannon) wrote:
(Dan Gannon) wrote in message
.com...
everyone is welcome:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fragrant_mini_roses

Is there no interest among English-speaking people, in fragrant
miniature roses? I'm not going to keep the Fragrant Miniature
Roses group open forever with no participation. This is quite
depressing.

At least I know speakers of many other languages are keenly
interested in this topic. Need the English-speaking world lose
out? You decide. Right now, I'm feeling like I'm only going to
contribute in other languages. (Cantonese, Spanish, Thai, etc.)

Phooey!

Dan


Ummm.. you're coming off a bit strong there, Dan. It's a turn-off. Sounds
like you're scolding and threatening us if we don't join your group. Then
there's that elitist worldview that English-speaking people are boors
slipping into your rant that'll just charm the pants off everyone. Pass.

Mike










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Old 08-03-2004, 06:57 PM
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On 8 Mar 2004, (Dan Gannon) wrote:
(Dan Gannon) wrote in message
.com...
everyone is welcome:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fragrant_mini_roses

Is there no interest among English-speaking people, in fragrant
miniature roses? I'm not going to keep the Fragrant Miniature
Roses group open forever with no participation. This is quite
depressing.

At least I know speakers of many other languages are keenly
interested in this topic. Need the English-speaking world lose
out? You decide. Right now, I'm feeling like I'm only going to
contribute in other languages. (Cantonese, Spanish, Thai, etc.)

Phooey!

Dan


Ummm.. you're coming off a bit strong there, Dan. It's a turn-off. Sounds
like you're scolding and threatening us if we don't join your group. Then
there's that elitist worldview that English-speaking people are boors
slipping into your rant that'll just charm the pants off everyone. Pass.

Mike










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Old 08-03-2004, 10:55 PM
Dan Gannon
 
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Dave,

Thanks for your reply. I'll respond to the specifics below.

dave weil wrote in message . ..
On 8 Mar 2004 03:45:51 -0800, (Dan Gannon) wrote:

(Dan Gannon) wrote in message . com...
everyone is welcome:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fragrant_mini_roses

Is there no interest among English-speaking people, in fragrant
miniature roses?


Probably only a little. Miniature roses has only a fairly limited
interest compared to, say hybrid teas or old garden roses. And now,
you've limited it even more to a tiny fraction of *those* roses.
Frankly, how much can you say about them?


OK, I can accept that. I am surprised how low the interest seems to
be, at least in this forum. I started another Yahoo group a while
back, and within 2 days, there were more than 100 members. With this
new group, which I *feel* is at least equally interesting and
promising, there are only 2 members so far, after 2 days. (And that's
including myself.) With the first (negative) response I received
here, and the glass of wine I had last night, those were essentially
the stimulii for my posting as irritably as I did. I apologize.

I'm not going to keep the Fragrant Miniature
Roses group open forever with no participation. This is quite
depressing.


Ummmmm, I'd say a couple of things. First of all, give it a little
time. You might get a few takers. Second, considering the narrow
parameters of the group, I wouldn't hold my breath. And third, I
wouldn't take it as a personal affront.


You're right, of course. I agree that the parameters are narrow,
*but* I think it's a compelling subject, for the following reasons:

I think fragrant miniatures have great potential, for use in planters
and pots, both indoors and outdoors. How else can one easily keep a
rose - which *smells* like a rose should - as a houseplant, or keep
quite a few of them on a porch or patio? Urban rose lovers everywhere
should rejoice - especially those who live in apartments or condos.
At least, that's what I think. I guess they haven't come around to my
way of thinking, yet. Perhaps I need to show them, convince them.

I know many have said it's difficult to impossible to keep them
indoors, but so far, I've had nothing but success with it.
Admittedly, I've had the benefit of experience, growing other
difficult plants indoors. But I think, with adequate instruction,
practically anyone could do it. And potted miniatures can easily be
moved - from indoors to out, to a table as a temporary or
semi-permanent centerpiece, etc. The micro-minis can even be grown
under small, inexpensive desk lamps fitted with compact fluorescent
bulbs. With fragrant micros, one needn't travel far to "smell the
roses." For a mini, a larger desk lamp would be suitable, though I'm
still conducting experiments.

At least I know speakers of many other languages are keenly
interested in this topic.


How do you know this?


By speaking with people in those cultures. The interest in fragrant
minis is particularly high in some urban areas. They merely don't
have ready access to the finer fragrant varieties. Further
development of fragrant varieties should considerably brighten the
prospects.

Need the English-speaking world lose out?


Now you're just being a drama queen. Sorry. I doubt that the
English-speaking world is going to collapse because they don't support
an extremely narrow interest group on Yahoo.


I apologize for being so dramatic. What I meant was, the
English-speaking world could well lose out, at least for a time, on
the applications I described above. People aren't mind-readers, so my
statement must have seemed obtuse. At any rate, it was admittedly
dramatic.

You decide. Right now, I'm feeling like I'm only going to
contribute in other languages. (Cantonese, Spanish, Thai, etc.)

Phooey!

Dan


Dan, Dan, Dan, this is no way to introduce yourself to this group.
First of all, it makes you look petty and small.


I had introduced myself here previously, in the form of 2 messages.
Not an extensive introduction, I admit. But I felt it was adequate to
illicit at least one positive response. After all, I was providing a
forum, not setting myself up as the sole authority on the subject. As
a newbie, I recognize I'm not much of an authority.

I was feeling disappointed and, yes, a bit angry. I suppose I was
considering my access to other cultures as a way to divert my efforts
to more attentive audiences. Why stay where there's no interest, when
others in the world are more interested? I can see very little reason
for it. I didn't expect to be greeted with such disinterest. Need I
evangelize? It seems to verge on the ridiculous. If people aren't
convinced of the value of the fragrant minis, after reading this and
my earlier messagess, I don't think they'll become convinced easily.
It's their choice, so let them go without, I say. In other words,
"Phooey!" I also had in mind the old adage, that people often don't
know what they have until it's gone. I was just expressing my
feelings, in an uninhibited manner. I am sorry if I offended anyone.

Second of all,
contrast the worldwide interest in roses to the interest in *your*
subject. And then look at participation in *this* group. It's not
exactly a flood of posts, you know. And so far, we haven't seen all
that much from you that would entice us to join such a group.
Hectoring isn't going to help. Miniature roses is but a portion of the
rose universe. They are interesting, but so are moss roses. Those who
love moss roses don't freak out when people don't discuss them all
that much.


Point well taken. With the huge number of rose gardeners in the
world, the amount of discussion here does seem very, very low. I
suppose there must be reasons for it.

Perhaps most people simply buy a rose, plant it, and watch it grow,
probably with minimal attempts to help it thrive, instead of making it
a more involved hobby and discussing it with others. Perhaps it's
influenced by traditional ways of thinking about roses - possibly many
people have the unspoken opinion that, "they're just supposed to sit
there and look pretty, and that's the end of it." Perhaps many of the
more enthusiastic rose gardeners limit themselves to browsing rose
catalogs, not seeking out discourse or expressing themselves in any
way but their rose purchases. Or perhaps many do discuss their hobby,
but not online. That could be partially due to demographics, such as
ages of rose keepers VS ages of those actively using online forums
like these - USENET specifically. I hadn't really considered that.

I'm glad that you have found a intense interest in this oft-too
ignored niche. But that's all it is - a niche. Heck, if it weren't for
Ralph Moore, it would be a mere curiosity.


It's a smaller niche than I had thought. But I think it deserves to
grow in popularity, for reasons already stated. New and future
varieties do play a large part in that.

I'd say that you're off to
a good start in being a specialist and your input and viewpoint will
be of great value, *if* you choose to share it with everyone, not just
the few individuals who share your passion.


Thanks. You're right. I shouldn't be so quick to discount the entire
group of English-speaking rosarians.

I have noticed that The Uncommon Rose up in your neck of the woods is
carrying some new interesting varieties this year. That's a good
thing.


That's true. I've already ordered five varieties from them. I expect
to receive them soon, probably this week. That should keep me happily
busy for some time.

Again, I apologize for being so grumpy and dramatic in my last
message.

Wishing you a good week,

Dan Gannon


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