I envy you folks in warm climates and long growing seasons. Here on the
NH border I am limited in what will truly flourish and bloom
abundantly. So I need your help.
I am looking for some new roses.
They can't be hybrid teas - floribunda, austins & shrubs are ok.
No climbers. no PINKs( my husband will kill me if I plant any more)
I was taken with "purple Tiger" but most of what I've read implies
it's not an easy keeper.
I'd like to know what you think of my chances with these and any others
you recommend. Although I have 25 acres I don't have a huge amount of
good sunny places so I am limited in how many I plant and want to get
the most out of what I do. I've decided no more once bloomers and
really want those that will bloom profusely all summer. I live on a
hill and if it helps I have all the horse manure I could possibly want.
I like the looks of
Tradescant
scentimental
oranges n lemons
royal wedding
chelsea morning
maybe Betty Boop I can't decide Im attracted and appalled

katherine

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... I like the looks of
Tradescant
scentimental
oranges n lemons
royal wedding
chelsea morning
maybe Betty Boop I can't decide Im attracted and appalled

Well, I can give you a zone4 opinion on Royal Wedding and Chelsea
Morning. CM, as it grew for me was a nice plant with no disease
problems although I do spray. I would condider the blooms on CM
to be in the novelty class, The shape was a bit varible but most
often it was flat and sometimes looked like a zinnia. The color
was also varible and hard to describe, kind of a
orangeish-pinkish-red. A lighter shade of the color of a peach
pit cavity. very few were neutral, they either loved it or hated
it. It is the more tender of the two, it died the first winter.

Royale Wedding is another very nice plant. It makes a dense
shrub with a pleasing shape. It also is very healthy here with
minimal spray. RW blooms in flushes. The first flush is a little
slow, a week or two behind most of the modern roses. However the
repeat is quite fast. Its color is pleasing shades of apricot
and when it blooms the plant is just covered with flowers. It is
reasonably hardy, it makes it through the winter here with just
some wood chips over the crown and a couple of bags of leaves
tossed on after freeze up.

I have not grown the others you mention.

Regards,

Charles

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Thanks Charles, well if you are a zone 4 I feel better. I was beginning
to think I couldn't find nice roses to plant other than the super hardy
shrubs. So what do you have that isn't a climber ??
Do you grow any hybrid teas??
Do you lose them every year and have to grow as an annual??
As I mentioned helpmefind.com seems to have higher than other sources
for zone hardiness Especially what do you grow that will bloom all
summer??

Any deep red or rose (or multi color ) under 4 feet that have similar
blossom type to Royale Wedding??

Katherine

Thanks Charles, well if you are a zone 4 I feel better. I was beginning
to think I couldn't find nice roses to plant other than the super hardy
shrubs. So what do you have that isn't a climber ??
Do you grow any hybrid teas??
Do you lose them every year and have to grow as an annual??
As I mentioned helpmefind.com seems to have higher than other sources
for zone hardiness Especially what do you grow that will bloom all
summer??

Any deep red or rose (or multi color ) under 4 feet that have similar
blossom type to Royale Wedding??

Katherine

wrote:

Do you grow any hybrid teas??
Yes, but you have to plant the bud union deep and winter protect
the plant and even so, some varieties don't make it. Because of
the work involved with winter protection, I just grow a few HT's

Do you lose them every year and have to grow as an annual??

Some do and are happy to do so. I am unable to deliberatly grow
a perennial as an annual. I do grow Tiffiny and Sun Bright that
are HT's that I know will die in a bad winter, but make it
through most winters with protection.

As I mentioned helpmefind.com seems to have higher than other sources
for zone hardiness Especially what do you grow that will bloom all
summer??
My understanding is that Help Me Find , if it doesn't have solid
data on a particular rose, will consider the HT hardy rating to
be 6 or 7. Most HT's will do OK in colder climates with some form
of winter protection. I grow Olypiad and Ingrid Bergman for
their red cut flowers and they have survived many years and hard
winters with good winter protection.

most Ht's and floribundas will rebloom through the summer. They
do tend to bloom in flushes with short rests between flower
cycles. If you need constant color, the single and semidouble
flowering roses do better in general.


Any deep red or rose (or multi color ) under 4 feet that have similar
blossom type to Royale Wedding??

Well here is an idea for you. How about the hardy Canadian
climber Quadra. It has very full dark red blooms of nice size
and is not stingy at all with its flowers. It grows somewhat
slowly. Mine is 3years in my garden and is barely over 5 foot.
There is no reason at all why you could not keep it trimmed to
under 4 feet and grow it as a shrub.

You might have luck with some of the Dr. Buck roses. They make
it through the winter here with just a little wood chip mulch.
They do die to the snow or mulch line most winters, but grow back
to full size by mid summer. Some have said they do better in the
midwest than the east because of our warmer summers. I would try
Carefree Beauty. It is a nice pink rose and lives up to its name
around here.

Look up the catalog for Spring Valley Roses. They have a good
selection of hardy roses and they have good descriptions that are
not too exagerated by catalog standards.

Regards,

Charles
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Charles Perry
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** A balanced diet is a cookie in each hand **

wrote:

Do you grow any hybrid teas??
Yes, but you have to plant the bud union deep and winter protect
the plant and even so, some varieties don't make it. Because of
the work involved with winter protection, I just grow a few HT's

Do you lose them every year and have to grow as an annual??

Some do and are happy to do so. I am unable to deliberatly grow
a perennial as an annual. I do grow Tiffiny and Sun Bright that
are HT's that I know will die in a bad winter, but make it
through most winters with protection.

As I mentioned helpmefind.com seems to have higher than other sources
for zone hardiness Especially what do you grow that will bloom all
summer??
My understanding is that Help Me Find , if it doesn't have solid
data on a particular rose, will consider the HT hardy rating to
be 6 or 7. Most HT's will do OK in colder climates with some form
of winter protection. I grow Olypiad and Ingrid Bergman for
their red cut flowers and they have survived many years and hard
winters with good winter protection.

most Ht's and floribundas will rebloom through the summer. They
do tend to bloom in flushes with short rests between flower
cycles. If you need constant color, the single and semidouble
flowering roses do better in general.


Any deep red or rose (or multi color ) under 4 feet that have similar
blossom type to Royale Wedding??

Well here is an idea for you. How about the hardy Canadian
climber Quadra. It has very full dark red blooms of nice size
and is not stingy at all with its flowers. It grows somewhat
slowly. Mine is 3years in my garden and is barely over 5 foot.
There is no reason at all why you could not keep it trimmed to
under 4 feet and grow it as a shrub.

You might have luck with some of the Dr. Buck roses. They make
it through the winter here with just a little wood chip mulch.
They do die to the snow or mulch line most winters, but grow back
to full size by mid summer. Some have said they do better in the
midwest than the east because of our warmer summers. I would try
Carefree Beauty. It is a nice pink rose and lives up to its name
around here.

Look up the catalog for Spring Valley Roses. They have a good
selection of hardy roses and they have good descriptions that are
not too exagerated by catalog standards.

Regards,

Charles
--
Charles Perry
Reply to:

** A balanced diet is a cookie in each hand **