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BIG FISH, BIGGER POND Phew, that was a close call. On Dec. 7, existing pressure from the biotech industry, the Washington State Fish and Wildlife Commission adopted a permanent ban on genetically engineered salmon in fish farms in all state waters, protecting endangered wild Pacific salmon populations from the harm posed by those supersized, oft-diseased robofish. Or did they? The U.S. government may be putting its foot down, stomping on environmentalists' big, victorious hearts. It seems that Washington state (along with Alaska and other eco-conscious territories) can ban genetically engineered fishies till the cowfish come home, but the Dec. 5 issue of Nature reports that the federal government is gearing up to permit farming of the scientific wonderfish in deep-sea fish farms outside state-controlled waters. That would create a (Nature's term) "gold rush" among aquaculture companies vying for offshore site access. Environmentalists opposing the plans say a fish farm is a fish farm, and deep-sea or not, the rates of escape and disease are high and the threat on already endangered wild populations still stands. http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/...nboycott.shtml Web posted Tuesday, December 17, 2002 'Farmed and Dangerous' urges boycott of farmed salmon By LINDA ASHTON THE ASSOCIATED PRESS YAKIMA, Wash. - It's not uncommon for out-of-town visitors to stop at Greg Higgins' cozy bistro in Portland, Ore., hoping to order the nightly salmon special. But if it's out of season, chances are they're out of luck. "We serve only hook-and-line caught fish - and most of the fisherman I know personally," Higgins said. And if the salmon aren't wild, he won't be serving them for dinner. Higgins is one of several dozen West Coast restaurateurs and retailers supporting a British Columbia-based boycott of farmed salmon in protest of existing aquaculture techniques. "I believe there's a need and a place for aquaculture, but the open net-pen system is not a way to conduct it," he said. From the Northwest to New England, salmon farming's critics contend the operations are a waterborne version of the terrestrial feed lot, contributing to ocean pollution, competing unfairly with wild fish, and spreading disease. Now a group called the Coastal Alliance for Aquaculture Reform is aiming a "Farmed and Dangerous" campaign directly at consumers, who can get salmon year-round, often for as little as $3.99 a pound. "There is a concentrated campaign going on to slander the product," counters Kevin Bright, operations manager for Cypress Island, which owns all of Washington's eight sal****er salmon sites. "What they're using basically is scare tactics." Aquaculture was a $37 million business in Washington state in 2001, composed primarily of Atlantic salmon and oysters. Cypress Island raises 15 million to 18 million pounds of Atlantic salmon here each year. Salmon farming is illegal in Alaska. In British Columbia, it's a $300 million-a-year (Canadian) business with at least 85 salmon farms, and more than 85 percent of the fish are exported to the United States. Rebecca Goldburg, a senior scientist for Environmental Defense in New York, said untreated salmon waste from net pens is fouling the oceans. "In the case of feedlot production ... the mantra is to keep the poop out of the water," she said. "In salmon farming, we allow huge numbers of feedlot animals to discharge their waste into coastal waters without any kind of treatment. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Web links For more on the Internet, check out http://www.farmedanddangerous.org http://www.edf.org http://www.salmonfarmers.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Obviously, fish naturally go in water. It's when you get huge numbers of critters in one place, whether it's hogs ... or salmon, the concentration of waste becomes unacceptable." In Washington, state regulatory standards prevent buildup of fish waste around net pens, which are inspected and monitored routinely, said state Sen. Dan Swecker, a Rochester Republican and former director of the 32-member Washington Association of Fish Farmers. "In the final analysis, the fish pens themselves are the very best barometers of what's happening in the environment. If there is any kind of environmental degradation, the farmer and the fish would suffer," Swecker said. On the East Coast, the owners of Maine's two largest salmon farms - Atlantic Salmon of Maine and Stolt Sea Farm - were found this summer to have violated the federal Clean Water Act by failing to obtain permits to discharge feed and other potential contaminants into coastal waters. A federal judge is expected to decide this winter what, if any, fines the companies should pay and rules they will be required to follow in the future. Environmental groups on both sides of the continent want some dramatic changes made in the industry, said Jennifer Lash, coordinator for CAAR's "Farmed and Dangerous" campaign and director of the Living Oceans Society in Sointula, B.C. The coalition wants zero discharge of fish farm waste, zero risk of escapes, and the elimination of the use of antibiotics in farmed salmon, among other goals, she said. Industry representatives contend that the antibiotic issue is a red herring. "The use of antibiotics is more tightly regulated in fish farming than any other kind of farming," said Vivian Krause, a spokeswoman for the Netherlands-based Nutreco, the largest salmon feed and salmon farm company in the world. In the 1990s, hundreds of thousands of farmed salmon escaped from net pens, but new cage designs and improved anchors have helped reduce those losses in recent years, Swecker said. "We don't want our fish to escape. Each one of those fish represents time, materials and money that we've put into it," said Bright, operations manager for eight sal****er salmon sites. Environmentalists contend that escaped fish unfairly compete with native Pacific salmon and spread disease. Swecker said farmed Atlantic salmon don't breed with native stocks on the West Coast, nor are they as aggressive as their wild counterparts. "We like them stupid and fat. That's our motto," Swecker said. "They spend less time swimming around and more time lying around." The Washington state Fish and Wildlife Commission earlier this month adopted a new rule that requires Puget Sound fish farmers to submit a plan on minimizing and preventing escapes. In the end, though, it might be flavor that determines consumers' choice more than anything. "Wild salmon tastes better, in our opinion," said Lane Hoss, a spokeswoman for Anthony's Restaurants, which has 18 restaurants from Olympia to Bellingham. While Hoss had not heard anything about the boycott, she said: "We've just always been committed to wild salmon." To each his own, Swecker said; some people prefer the taste of farmed salmon. "They are blander in taste because of what they're fed. Typically Americans prefer white fish that are deep-fat fried. It's a matter of preference." |
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Just to make you all jealous, I started on the stubbsy hand-smoked salmon yesterday. Truly memorable. That's OK, be envious if you like .... -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Note: soon (maybe already) only posts via despammed.com will be accepted. |
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In article , says... From the Northwest to New England, salmon farming's critics contend the operations are a waterborne version of the terrestrial feed lot, contributing to ocean pollution, competing unfairly with wild fish, and spreading disease. It's quite a bit more widespread than that. Coho and Chinook salmon are the most widely farmed fish in the world. They are well established in Europe, Asia, and New Zealand. In fact, anywhere there is a cold water seafront, there is a Pacific salmon hatchery. Really ? Learn something new every day. I thought the Norwegian and Scottish farmers used Atlantic Salmon. Tim Worstall |
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'Farmed and Dangerous' campaign urges boycott of farmed salmon Linda Ashton Associated Press Published Dec. 26, 2002 SALM26 YAKIMA, WASH. -- Out-of-towners often stop at Greg Higgins' cozy bistro in Portland, Ore., to order the nightly salmon special. If it's out of season, though, chances are they're out of luck. "We serve only hook-and-line caught fish -- and most of the fishermen I know personally," Higgins said. And if the salmon aren't wild, he won't be serving them for dinner. Higgins is one of several dozen West Coast restaurateurs and retailers supporting a British Columbia-based boycott of farmed salmon in protest of aquaculture techniques. "I believe there's a need and a place for aquaculture, but the open net-pen system is not a way to conduct it," he said. From the Northwest to New England, salmon farming's critics contend that the operations are a waterborne version of the terrestrial feedlot, contributing to ocean pollution, competing unfairly with wild fish and spreading disease. Now a group called the Coastal Alliance for Aquaculture Reform is aiming a "Farmed and Dangerous" campaign directly at consumers, who can now get salmon year-round, often for as little as $3.99 a pound. "There is a concentrated campaign going on to slander the product," said Kevin Bright, operations manager for Cypress Island, which owns all of Washington's eight sal****er salmon sites. "What they're using basically is scare tactics." Aquaculture, primarily Atlantic salmon and oysters, was a $37 million business in Washington state in 2001. Cypress Island raises 15 million to 18 million pounds of Atlantic salmon each year. In British Columbia, with at least 85 salmon farms, the business is $300 million, Canadian, a year, and more than 85 percent of the fish are exported to the United States. Rebecca Goldburg, a senior scientist for Environmental Defense in New York, said untreated salmon waste from net pens is fouling the oceans. But in Washington, state Sen. Dan Swecker, a former salmon farmer and former director of the 32-member Washington Association of Fish Farmers, said regulatory standards prohibit buildup of fish waste around net pens, which are inspected and monitored routinely. "In the final analysis, the fish pens themselves are the very best barometers of what's happening in the environment. If there is any kind of environmental degradation, the farmer and the fish would suffer," Swecker said. On the East Coast, the owners of Maine's two largest salmon farms -- Atlantic Salmon of Maine and Stolt Sea Farm -- were found this summer to have violated the federal Clean Water Act by not obtaining permits to discharge feed and other potential contaminants into coastal waters. A judge is expected to decide this winter what, if any, fines the companies should pay and what rules they must follow in the future. Environmental groups on both sides of the continent want dramatic changes in the industry, said Jennifer Lash, coordinator for the "Farmed and Dangerous" campaign and director of the Living Oceans Society in Sointula, British Columbia. The coalition wants zero discharge of fish farm waste, zero risk of escapes and elimination of the use of antibiotics in farmed salmon, among other things, she said. Industry representatives contend antibiotics already are more tightly regulated in fish farming than any other kind of farming and that steps already have been taken to prevent escapes. In the 1990s, hundreds of thousands of farmed salmon escaped from net pens, but Swecker said new cage designs and improved anchors have helped reduce those losses in recent years. "We don't want our fish to escape. Each one of those fish represents time, materials and money that we've put into it," Cypress Island's Bright said. Environmentalists contend that escaped fish unfairly compete with native Pacific salmon and spread disease. Swecker said farmed Atlantic salmon don't breed with native stocks on the West Coast, nor are they as aggressive as their wild counterparts. "We like them stupid and fat. That's our motto," Swecker said. "They spend less time swimming around and more time lying around." The Washington state Fish and Wildlife Commission adopted a rule this month that requires Puget Sound fish farmers to submit a plan on minimizing and preventing escapes. In the end though, flavor might determine consumers' choice more than anything. "Wild salmon tastes better, in our opinion," said Lane Hoss, a spokeswoman for Anthony's Restaurants, which has 18 restaurants in Washington state. While Hoss had not heard anything about the boycott, she said: "We've just always been committed to wild salmon." To each his own, Swecker said; some people prefer the taste of farmed salmon. "They are blander in taste because of what they're fed. Typically Americans prefer white fish that are deep-fat fried. It's a matter of preference |
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writes: Really ? Learn something new every day. I thought the Norwegian and Scottish farmers used Atlantic Salmon. The pen and net salmon are Atlantic salmon. Pacific salmon are anadromous and come back when they are ready to be processed. There are many millions of pacific salmon swimming the north and south Atlantic. -- http://home.teleport.com/~larryc |
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In article , writes: Really ? Learn something new every day. I thought the Norwegian and Scottish farmers used Atlantic Salmon. The pen and net salmon are Atlantic salmon. Pacific salmon are anadromous I had to look this word up......seems to mean "Ascending rivers from the sea, at certain seasons, for breeding, as the salmon, shad, etc." As far as I know that is true of both Atlantic and Pacific salmon. Tim Worstall and come back when they are ready to be processed. There are many millions of pacific salmon swimming the north and south Atlantic. |
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Tim Worstall wrote: Larry Caldwell wrote in message t... In article , writes: Really ? Learn something new every day. I thought the Norwegian and Scottish farmers used Atlantic Salmon. The pen and net salmon are Atlantic salmon. Pacific salmon are anadromous I had to look this word up......seems to mean "Ascending rivers from the sea, at certain seasons, for breeding, as the salmon, shad, etc." As far as I know that is true of both Atlantic and Pacific salmon. Tim Worstall It is, in general. There are some (natural) landlocked populations. As far as I know, there are no purely seagoing ones. Salmon and trout lay eggs in nests in gravel beds in rivers. Some trouts have anadromous populations. Atlantic salmon and brown trout are the same genus (Salmo). Pen-raised salmon are obviously not anadromous, but not by choice. I don't know if pen-raised Atlantic salmon which escaped in the Pacific would establish wild populations. They probably could not breed with the Pacific salmon, which belong to different genuses, but they could conceivably become an exotic pest species. Are Atlantic salmon extinct in Portugal? Paul Farrar |
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writes: Aquaculture was a $37 million business in Washington state in 2001, composed primarily of Atlantic salmon and oysters. Cypress Island raises 15 million to 18 million pounds of Atlantic salmon here each year. Salmon farming is illegal in Alaska. Donald was confused. The fish are Atlantic salmon. Donald is not known for getting his facts straight. He wouldn't know the difference between an Atlantic and Pacific salmon if you hit him in the face with one. Read the article again. "Aquaculture was a $37 million business in Washington state in 2001, composed primarily of Atlantic salmon and oysters. Cypress Island raises 15 million to 18 million pounds of Atlantic salmon here each year." Pacific salmon are not raised in pens, they are released as smolt and harvested when they return. -- http://home.teleport.com/~larryc |
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If they come back to the river, they are NOT farmed fish. THey are wild salmon and caught by fishermen. That's exactly what we have all been saying. There is no need to list any Pacific salmon as endangered because there are huge runs of hatchery fish. There is no difference between hatchery fish and wild fish. -- http://home.teleport.com/~larryc |
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In article , Tim Worstall wrote: Larry Caldwell wrote in message t... In article , writes: Really ? Learn something new every day. I thought the Norwegian and Scottish farmers used Atlantic Salmon. The pen and net salmon are Atlantic salmon. Pacific salmon are anadromous I had to look this word up......seems to mean "Ascending rivers from the sea, at certain seasons, for breeding, as the salmon, shad, etc." As far as I know that is true of both Atlantic and Pacific salmon. Tim Worstall It is, in general. There are some (natural) landlocked populations. As far as I know, there are no purely seagoing ones. Salmon and trout lay eggs in nests in gravel beds in rivers. Some trouts have anadromous populations. Atlantic salmon and brown trout are the same genus (Salmo). Pen-raised salmon are obviously not anadromous, but not by choice. I don't know if pen-raised Atlantic salmon which escaped in the Pacific would establish wild populations. They probably could not breed with the Pacific salmon, which belong to different genuses, but they could conceivably become an exotic pest species. Are Atlantic salmon extinct in Portugal? Interesting question. We certainly see wild salmon in supermarkets and fish counters, but that proves little. I´ve also seen them in more local fish markets, but again that doesn´t mean that they are from a local river....wholesalers can bring them in. I wouldn´t really expect to see them in the Tagus anyway. But perhaps in the Northern rivers ? Galicia certainly has salmon runs and the two areas are about as different as Washington State and BC. Tim Worstall Paul Farrar |
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In article , writes: Aquaculture was a $37 million business in Washington state in 2001, composed primarily of Atlantic salmon and oysters. Cypress Island raises 15 million to 18 million pounds of Atlantic salmon here each year. Salmon farming is illegal in Alaska. Donald was confused. The fish are Atlantic salmon. Donald is not known for getting his facts straight. He wouldn't know the difference between an Atlantic and Pacific salmon if you hit him in the face with one. Read the article again. "Aquaculture was a $37 million business in Washington state in 2001, composed primarily of Atlantic salmon and oysters. Cypress Island raises 15 million to 18 million pounds of Atlantic salmon here each year." Pacific salmon are not raised in pens, they are released as smolt and harvested when they return. I don't see any difference between the two = One must not drink tooo much before posting! |
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"Larry Caldwell" wrote in message ... In article , writes: If they come back to the river, they are NOT farmed fish. THey are wild salmon and caught by fishermen. That's exactly what we have all been saying. There is no need to list any Pacific salmon as endangered because there are huge runs of hatchery fish. There is no difference between hatchery fish and wild fish. Ah, but that is not what I said. There ARE large differences in both the genetics, health, and life of farmed vs free running salmon. The ecology of the two is also quite different. Free stream salmon contribute to the health of the forest, for example. Penned fish tend to concentrate parasitic infections and promote diseases. The idea that they are equivalent is quite ludicrous. |
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