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RURAL HEALTH Study documents degree of pesticide exposure in farm families A new study from University of Minnesota and Emory University shows the vast majority of spouses and children who live on farms that use certain pesticides, do not show an appreciable level of increased exposure to the chemicals. The bio-monitoring study, released today, is the most comprehensive assessment to date of pesticide exposure for farm families. The children and spouses of the 95 families that participated in the study typically had pesticide exposure levels comparable to levels measured in people who do not live on farms. The study also measured the amount of exposure for the farmers doing the applications. Results varied by the chemical being applied and by the handling and application techniques used. http://email.agriculture.com/cgi-bin...6TI0TM0FRBO0AH ================ haiku error message seen on a computer ....: Three things are certain. Death, taxes and lost data. Guess which has occurred. -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Note: soon (maybe already) only posts via despammed.com will be accepted. |
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"Oz" wrote in message ... Study documents degree of pesticide exposure in farm families A new study from University of Minnesota and Emory University shows the vast majority of spouses and children who live on farms that use certain pesticides, do not show an appreciable level of increased exposure to the chemicals. I know a lady who had a son in 1997. He was born blind and disabled and has since died. She said this was caused by the spraying of Benzomate on brussel sprouts in a nearby field, while she was pregnant, IIRC. (What is Benzomate? Is it still used?) |
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"Sirius" wrote:
"Oz" wrote in message ... Study documents degree of pesticide exposure in farm families A new study from University of Minnesota and Emory University shows the vast majority of spouses and children who live on farms that use certain pesticides, do not show an appreciable level of increased exposure to the chemicals. I know a lady who had a son in 1997. He was born blind and disabled and has since died. She said this was caused by the spraying of Benzomate on brussel sprouts in a nearby field, while she was pregnant, IIRC. (What is Benzomate? Is it still used?) IIRC, in Canada, benzomate was a brand of hand held torch run on compressed benzene Dennis |
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Oz wrote:
RURAL HEALTH Study documents degree of pesticide exposure in farm families A new study from University of Minnesota and Emory University shows the vast majority of spouses and children who live on farms that use certain pesticides, do not show an appreciable level of increased exposure to the chemicals. The bio-monitoring study, released today, is the most comprehensive assessment to date of pesticide exposure for farm families. The children and spouses of the 95 families that participated in the study typically had pesticide exposure levels comparable to levels measured in people who do not live on farms. The study also measured the amount of exposure for the farmers doing the applications. Results varied by the chemical being applied and by the handling and application techniques used. http://email.agriculture.com/cgi-bin...6TI0TM0FRBO0AH This is interesting because of the techniques and methodology. If you come across a site for the paper , let us know. Dennis |
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Dennis G. writes
Oz wrote: RURAL HEALTH Study documents degree of pesticide exposure in farm families A new study from University of Minnesota and Emory University This is interesting because of the techniques and methodology. If you come across a site for the paper , let us know. Try the uni websites above? -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Note: soon (maybe already) only posts via despammed.com will be accepted. |
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Sirius writes
I know a lady who had a son in 1997. He was born blind and disabled and has since died. She said this was caused by the spraying of Benzomate on brussel sprouts in a nearby field, while she was pregnant, IIRC. (What is Benzomate? Is it still used?) Acaricide active: Benzoximate (so I doubt ever used on sprouts). Reported 1972, manuf Nippon Soda. Control of spider mite on fruits, vines and ornamentals. Very toxic (~50ppm), not currently approved in the UK for any use. May never have been. I doubt very much that she has the name right. More likely is Benlate, (benomyl) a fungicide (MBC). Very widely used, approved, very low toxicity, non-mutagenic. If the above symptoms were caused by this product it's widespread use on pretty well all crops would have produced an unmissable epidemic by about 1980. -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Note: soon (maybe already) only posts via despammed.com will be accepted. |
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"Oz" wrote in message ... Sirius writes I know a lady who had a son in 1997. He was born blind and disabled and has since died. She said this was caused by the spraying of Benzomate on brussel sprouts in a nearby field, while she was pregnant, IIRC. (What is Benzomate? Is it still used?) Acaricide active: Benzoximate (so I doubt ever used on sprouts). Reported 1972, manuf Nippon Soda. Control of spider mite on fruits, vines and ornamentals. Very toxic (~50ppm), not currently approved in the UK for any use. May never have been. I doubt very much that she has the name right. More likely is Benlate, (benomyl) a fungicide (MBC). She said it was a fungicide. The name was written after a phone conversation so may be spelt wrong. Very widely used, approved, very low toxicity, non-mutagenic. If the above symptoms were caused by this product it's widespread use on pretty well all crops would have produced an unmissable epidemic by about 1980. Sadly I'm lacking details of this so can't really say anymore except she lived near the field and was outdoors and subjected to drift. May have had symptoms herself. I suppose its possible that something that doesn't normally cause problems could harm a foetus at a particular stage of development. |
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Sirius writes
Oz: More likely is Benlate, (benomyl) a fungicide (MBC). She said it was a fungicide. The name was written after a phone conversation so may be spelt wrong. I would bet on it being benlate. There aren't any other fungicides with similar names in the book of words likely (or even unlikely) to be used on sprouts. Very widely used, approved, very low toxicity, non-mutagenic. If the above symptoms were caused by this product it's widespread use on pretty well all crops would have produced an unmissable epidemic by about 1980. Sadly I'm lacking details of this so can't really say anymore except she lived near the field and was outdoors and subjected to drift. Shouldn't be any drift if the sprayman was doing his job properly. In any case the amount of drift even a short distance from the boom is remarkably small, although it *looks* a lot because it is the finest of droplets. Remember farmers can and do spray one crop, with a highly susceptible crop next door, and the damage is rarely more than zero to 12" (and that often because the crops overlap). May have had symptoms herself. I suppose its possible that something that doesn't normally cause problems could harm a foetus at a particular stage of development. I would suggest it is unlikely to say the least. Remember that quite a lot of kids are born disabled, it's a natural occurrence. The MBC group are in widespread use and, now I think about it, were for many years also used as an antiwormer in cattle/sheep blocks. Doesn't kill the worms, but stops them laying eggs. Were there deleterious effects then, given the huge dose by comparison to one doubtful exposure to spraydrift, we would have seen huge epidemics in stock and some pretty hefty claims, followed by the rapid withdrawal of the product for all uses. Remember that sprays are pretty safe, to protect the operator if nothing else. Malathion has been effectively banned in agriculture for decades because it's too toxic compared to modern alternatives, but it's still used at high dose to kill nits in kid's hair. -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Note: soon (maybe already) only posts via despammed.com will be accepted. |
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Oz wrote:
Sirius writes I know a lady who had a son in 1997. He was born blind and disabled and has since died. She said this was caused by the spraying of Benzomate on brussel sprouts in a nearby field, while she was pregnant, IIRC. (What is Benzomate? Is it still used?) [-] More likely is Benlate, (benomyl) a fungicide (MBC). Very widely used, approved, very low toxicity, non-mutagenic. If the above symptoms were caused by this product it's widespread use on pretty well all crops would have produced an unmissable epidemic by about 1980. You might be interested in http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/actives/benomyl.htm regards sarah -- What d'ya do? You can't make nothing out of nothing Everybody needs a start What d'ya do? You can't make nothing out of nothing Give my country back its heart. _Great Big Sea_ |
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Brian H. writes
4yrs ago (November) I had a chest infection, no problem, the following March I collapsed, rushed into hospital with pneumonia. Doctors pumped in the antibiotics as they do. Result, Brians gradually leaving this world, massive reaction to medication, temperature of the scale, packed in ice for 48hrs.Awoke to see family including 87yr old Mum, around bed,with expressions on faces I never want to see again. Hmmm. Wouldn't it be more rational to blame either the infection or the drugs used, rather than a long since past exposure to OP's, which aren't known for producing these symptoms? -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Note: soon (maybe already) only posts via despammed.com will be accepted. |
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"Oz" wrote in message ... Sirius writes Well I was interested in this bit: "In 1996 a Miami jury awarded US$4 million to a child whose mother was exposed in pregnancy to Benlate. The child was born without eyes. The mother in this case was subject to an unusually high dose of Benlate. The case is on appeal by the manufacturers. An important issue in the case is whether the timing of exposure - during the formation of the optic nerve in the foetus - is critical as well as the magnitude of exposure. A Benlate compensation case involving an English boy from Essex born without eyes is also due to be heard shortly in the US(21)." But take a look at the rodent studies. Winning in law does not mean that you are right. Very true ( just as assurances of safety don't mean anything is safe ;-) Winning in law seems to be more like a game than a question of right or wrong. This mention of eye damage to foetuses (foetii??) does of course strike a chord with me though. |
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Sirius writes
Well I was interested in this bit: "In 1996 a Miami jury awarded US$4 million to a child whose mother was exposed in pregnancy to Benlate. The child was born without eyes. The mother in this case was subject to an unusually high dose of Benlate. The case is on appeal by the manufacturers. An important issue in the case is whether the timing of exposure - during the formation of the optic nerve in the foetus - is critical as well as the magnitude of exposure. A Benlate compensation case involving an English boy from Essex born without eyes is also due to be heard shortly in the US(21)." But take a look at the rodent studies. Winning in law does not mean that you are right. -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Note: soon (maybe already) only posts via despammed.com will be accepted. |
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swroot writes
Further to that you should note that the high cost of litigation over crop damage due to contamination with atrizine and possible effects on human health resulted in Dupont voluntarily ceased production of Benlate in 2001. It is no longer manufactured in the US or approved for use on food crops in the US. Eh? It was dropped because benlate was by far the dearest of the MBC's to manufacture. One reason I've never used it. Sales plummetted once people knew that it just broke down into carbendazim, the real active ingredient. -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Note: soon (maybe already) only posts via despammed.com will be accepted. |
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Oz,
Your post (as header) could be very misleading, I'll explain. For most of my working life, I'm 61 now, I've worked around farms and livestock and as a gamekeeper. Handled more than my share of pesticides, antibiotics and poisons. 4yrs ago (November) I had a chest infection, no problem, the following March I collapsed, rushed into hospital with pneumonia. Doctors pumped in the antibiotics as they do. Result, Brians gradually leaving this world, massive reaction to medication, temperature of the scale, packed in ice for 48hrs.Awoke to see family including 87yr old Mum, around bed,with expressions on faces I never want to see again. During following 3wks Doctors and specialist went thru my working history, asking for all the details of chemicals I had used/handled.No definitive answers but organophosphates(sheep dip) probably caused adverse reaction, but last time I came into contact with organo's was at least 15yrs ago. Outcome: I can no longer work, can only drive 10mile max, continual loss of balance due to constricted blood supply to brain, walk as tho I'm half-cut(****ed). So to say pesticides are not residual in these children, may be incorrect, and may not be apparent until there is an adverse reaction to other drugs, God forbid Remember I had only been to see a doctor 3 times in 50yrs.......now I'm there every bloody month. Brian H...... |
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"swroot" wrote in message ... Oz wrote: Sirius writes I know a lady who had a son in 1997. He was born blind and disabled and has since died. She said this was caused by the spraying of Benzomate on brussel sprouts in a nearby field, while she was pregnant, IIRC. (What is Benzomate? Is it still used?) [-] More likely is Benlate, (benomyl) a fungicide (MBC). Very widely used, approved, very low toxicity, non-mutagenic. If the above symptoms were caused by this product it's widespread use on pretty well all crops would have produced an unmissable epidemic by about 1980. You might be interested in http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/actives/benomyl.htm Well I was interested in this bit: "In 1996 a Miami jury awarded US$4 million to a child whose mother was exposed in pregnancy to Benlate. The child was born without eyes. The mother in this case was subject to an unusually high dose of Benlate. The case is on appeal by the manufacturers. An important issue in the case is whether the timing of exposure - during the formation of the optic nerve in the foetus - is critical as well as the magnitude of exposure. A Benlate compensation case involving an English boy from Essex born without eyes is also due to be heard shortly in the US(21)." |
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swroot wrote:
Oz wrote: Sirius writes I know a lady who had a son in 1997. He was born blind and disabled and has since died. She said this was caused by the spraying of Benzomate on brussel sprouts in a nearby field, while she was pregnant, IIRC. (What is Benzomate? Is it still used?) [-] More likely is Benlate, (benomyl) a fungicide (MBC). Very widely used, approved, very low toxicity, non-mutagenic. If the above symptoms were caused by this product it's widespread use on pretty well all crops would have produced an unmissable epidemic by about 1980. You might be interested in http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/actives/benomyl.htm Further to that you should note that the high cost of litigation over crop damage due to contamination with atrizine and possible effects on human health resulted in Dupont voluntarily ceased production of Benlate in 2001. It is no longer manufactured in the US or approved for use on food crops in the US. regards sarah -- What d'ya do? You can't make nothing out of nothing Everybody needs a start What d'ya do? You can't make nothing out of nothing Give my country back its heart. _Great Big Sea_ |
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swroot writes
You might be interested in http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/actives/benomyl.htm OK, it's very, very safe ..... -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Note: soon (maybe already) only posts via despammed.com will be accepted. |
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swroot writes
That's a bit more like it. Now, if only I could remember precisely where I'd read the recent summary of studies suggesting that very, very low doses of some chemicals are as or more active than large doses. It probably was New Scientist, in which case you too will have read it, won't you? Indeed. Am waiting for confirmatory research. Have passed it to my friend who is (probably the only) person doing university-level research into homeopathy and some other alternative medicines. He has (despite conventional qualifications that take a sheet of A4) been earning his living these past 30 years practicing alternative medicine. So far his excellently done trials have come up with zero. One of the few cases where a zero result has no trouble getting published. A positive one would make him happy. -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Note: soon (maybe already) only posts via despammed.com will be accepted. |
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Oz wrote:
swroot writes You might be interested in http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/actives/benomyl.htm OK, it's very, very safe ... That's a bit more like it. Now, if only I could remember precisely where I'd read the recent summary of studies suggesting that very, very low doses of some chemicals are as or more active than large doses. It probably was New Scientist, in which case you too will have read it, won't you? regards sarah -- What d'ya do? You can't make nothing out of nothing Everybody needs a start What d'ya do? You can't make nothing out of nothing Give my country back its heart. _Great Big Sea_ |
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Torsten Brinch writes
Take a look at the rodent reproductive studies. Anophtalmia/microophtalmia ~ missing or rudimentary development of the eye bulbs is a well known teratogenic effects of benomyl. e.g.: Staples RE (1980) "Teratogenicity study in the rat after administration by gavage of technical benomyl ( 95% benomyl)" (Du Pont, unpublished report No. HLR 649-80) Staples RE (1982) "Teratogenicity study in the rat using technical benomyl (95% benomyl) administered by gavage and supplement with individual animal data" (Du Pont, unpublished report No. HLR 649-80) Doserates? -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Note: soon (maybe already) only posts via despammed.com will be accepted. |
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"Oz" wrote in message ... Brian H. writes 4yrs ago (November) I had a chest infection, no problem, the following March I collapsed, rushed into hospital with pneumonia. Doctors pumped in the antibiotics as they do. Result, Brians gradually leaving this world, massive reaction to medication, temperature of the scale, packed in ice for 48hrs.Awoke to see family including 87yr old Mum, around bed,with expressions on faces I never want to see again. Hmmm. Wouldn't it be more rational to blame either the infection or the drugs used, rather than a long since past exposure to OP's, which aren't known for producing these symptoms? Going over all the spray plane pilots I know and their health is as follows. ES 4 bombers in WW totaled, 7 spray planes totaled, one broken leg. Died of brain cancer at 65 an old age for his siblings. Possibly pesticide related. JW. Lost 2 bombers WWII totaled 5 spray planes no injuries died at 60 heart attack. JS No war experience. Totaled one spray plane in a stall in a turn at the end or a row (same as a departure stall) broke most major bones in his body at age 30, at age 70 still spraying. SB No war experiences One accident at age 50 looped his Areoca Camp stunt plane too close to the ground and caught a power pole on the propeller hub. Cause of death stupidity. About a year before got up confessed an affair in church and implicated two friends and three women with out letting any of them know first. Stupidly nearly caused his death that time. ?? No war experience Killed in first year of spraying. GD No war experience, no major accidents still flying at 62. LD No war, no major accidents still flying and 58. These guy worked with methyl and ethyl parathion most of their lives and in the case of JS at 70 looks better than a lot of men 20 years younger if you discount the wrinkles from the sun and some gray in his hair. I ran into him about 6 months ago. I do know several people that are injured by pesticides. Either form careless handing or driving into the cloud of spray when putting on with a ground rig. I never applied insecticide with a ground rig. That's what they made airplanes for. In my part of the world they could do it safely. That won't work in a lot of the world. -- Gordon Gordon Couger Stillwater, OK www.couger.com/gcouger |
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On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 01:21:05 +0100, Torsten Brinch
wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:31:25 -0000, "Sirius" wrote: "Oz" wrote in message ... foetus - is critical as well as the magnitude of exposure. A Benlate compensation case involving an English boy from Essex born without eyes is also due to be heard shortly in the US(21)." But take a look at the rodent studies. .. This mention of eye damage to foetuses (foetii??) does of course strike a chord with me though. Take a look at the rodent reproductive studies. Anophtalmia/microophtalmia ~ missing or rudimentary development of the eye bulbs is a well known teratogenic effects of benomyl. e.g.: Staples RE (1980) "Teratogenicity study in the rat after administration by gavage of technical benomyl ( 95% benomyl)" (Du Pont, unpublished report No. HLR 649-80) Staples RE (1982) "Teratogenicity study in the rat using technical benomyl (95% benomyl) administered by gavage and supplement with individual animal data" (Du Pont, unpublished report No. HLR 649-80) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ correction, No. HLR 582-82 Best regards Torsten Brinch |
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On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 22:31:25 -0000, "Sirius"
wrote: "Oz" wrote in message ... foetus - is critical as well as the magnitude of exposure. A Benlate compensation case involving an English boy from Essex born without eyes is also due to be heard shortly in the US(21)." But take a look at the rodent studies. .. This mention of eye damage to foetuses (foetii??) does of course strike a chord with me though. Take a look at the rodent reproductive studies. Anophtalmia/microophtalmia ~ missing or rudimentary development of the eye bulbs is a well known teratogenic effects of benomyl. e.g.: Staples RE (1980) "Teratogenicity study in the rat after administration by gavage of technical benomyl ( 95% benomyl)" (Du Pont, unpublished report No. HLR 649-80) Staples RE (1982) "Teratogenicity study in the rat using technical benomyl (95% benomyl) administered by gavage and supplement with individual animal data" (Du Pont, unpublished report No. HLR 649-80) Best regards Torsten Brinch |
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Brian H. want to see again.
Hmmm. Wouldn't it be more rational to blame either the infection or the drugs used, rather than a long since past exposure to OP's, which aren't known for producing these symptoms? Not in this particular case. The point I was attempting to make(obviously not very well) was agricultural workers ingress unknown quantities of chemicals.Possibly these chemicals remain dormant, causing no symptoms until they are triggered by temperature or reaction to powerful anti-biotic. Remember, in the 50s and 60s farm workers were handling powerful chemicals with little regard to health and safety. I don't remember using any protective clothes, even gloves. Rodine 25% arsenic,strychnine, dieldrene, sulphuric acid(to burn off potato haulm), phosdrin, mevinphos, there are plenty of others that were used into the 70s, DDT was still being used in 73 on brassicers and organophosphates into the 80s. As an example,2cc of phosdrin injected into pheasant egg, eaten by fox, fox will be dead within 5yds of where egg was placed. In my own case,samples were taken from toenails to lumber-puncture,blood ,hair skin etc. These samples were sent to a Sheffield lab.After several days I was quizzed extensively about my contact with organophosphate, the specialist from the lab raised the question not myself, why? The following week I was asked to list all chemicals/poisons I had had contact with in the workplace, this I found impossible....40+yrs...could you? Are you sure you have no trace of agri chemical in your body waiting for a "trigger".......are you sure....really sure?? Brian H........ -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Note: soon (maybe already) only posts via despammed.com will be accepted. |
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Brian H. writes
The point I was attempting to make(obviously not very well) was agricultural workers ingress unknown quantities of chemicals. They shouldn't, unless they are both stupid and careless. Possibly these chemicals remain dormant, causing no symptoms until they are triggered by temperature or reaction to powerful anti-biotic. See the half-live, safety and breakdown data. Remember, in the 50s and 60s farm workers were handling powerful chemicals with little regard to health and safety. I don't remember using any protective clothes, even gloves. Assuming you were sensible enough to prevent contamination and/or wash it off quickly I'm not sure protective clothing is such an advantage. Rodine 25% arsenic,strychnine, dieldrene, sulphuric acid(to burn off potato haulm), phosdrin, mevinphos, there are plenty of others that were used into the 70s, Indeed so. Don't worry about strychnine or sulphuric acid though. Arsenic was (to say the least) unusual. Dieldrin is accumulative, The last two are OP's (not very nice ones) but are from memory pretty quicklu biodegraded. DDT was still being used in 73 on brassicers I started farming in '72 and spring '73 we couldn't use DDT due to banning. IIRC even then this was only to dip transplanted seedlings. and organophosphates into the 80s. Organophosphates are still used today. I wouldn't use them until an argument with torsten made me look up the toxicity data on the recent ones, where I found they were relatively low toxicity and their biodegradeability was attractive. As an example,2cc of phosdrin injected into pheasant egg, eaten by fox, fox will be dead within 5yds of where egg was placed. Very probably. I've never heard of it's use in the UK. In my own case,samples were taken from toenails to lumber-puncture,blood ,hair skin etc. These samples were sent to a Sheffield lab.After several days I was quizzed extensively about my contact with organophosphate, the specialist from the lab raised the question not myself, why? Ask him. One of the many OP exposure trials? Note that for sheep dipping, exposure is likely to have been rather high in the past. It's pretty well inevitable (in my experience) unless the whole dipping system has been properly designed. That's quite different from a sensible person filling a spray tank. The following week I was asked to list all chemicals/poisons I had had contact with in the workplace, this I found impossible....40+yrs...could you? Had contact with, or used? Are you sure you have no trace of agri chemical in your body waiting for a "trigger".......are you sure....really sure?? As sure as I can be. -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Note: soon (maybe already) only posts via despammed.com will be accepted. |
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Oz wrote:
Brian H. writes The point I was attempting to make(obviously not very well) was agricultural workers ingress unknown quantities of chemicals. They shouldn't, unless they are both stupid and careless. That is a really a very very limited world view. How about if the farmers cannot read labels in English, or are illiterate and uneducated, and there no government agencies that enforce safety? In many developing tropical countries, it is common to see pesticides applied to excess by folks who cannot readthe labels on the imported chemicals, who have no protective clothing,and who have no way to wash the residues off their person. There is a large world out there, and the living/farming conditions are not always pretty. |
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Wayne Parrott wrote in message ... Oz wrote: Brian H. writes The point I was attempting to make(obviously not very well) was agricultural workers ingress unknown quantities of chemicals. They shouldn't, unless they are both stupid and careless. That is a really a very very limited world view. How about if the farmers cannot read labels in English, or are illiterate and uneducated, and there no government agencies that enforce safety? In many developing tropical countries, it is common to see pesticides applied to excess by folks who cannot readthe labels on the imported chemicals, who have no protective clothing,and who have no way to wash the residues off their person. There is a large world out there, and the living/farming conditions are not always pretty. don't worry, they suffer for a good cause, making large profits for UK supermarkets -- Jim Webster "The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind" 'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami' |
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Wayne Parrott writes
Oz wrote: Brian H. writes The point I was attempting to make(obviously not very well) was agricultural workers ingress unknown quantities of chemicals. They shouldn't, unless they are both stupid and careless. That is a really a very very limited world view. How about if the farmers cannot read labels in English, or are illiterate and uneducated, and there no government agencies that enforce safety? That is something for the local government. I positively refuse to accept my careful use of pesticides should be further controlled because third world governments do not control their use properly. In many developing tropical countries, it is common to see pesticides applied to excess by folks who cannot readthe labels on the imported chemicals, who have no protective clothing,and who have no way to wash the residues off their person. There is a large world out there, and the living/farming conditions are not always pretty. This may very well be. Write to the governments of the countries involved then. -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Note: soon (maybe already) only posts via despammed.com will be accepted. |
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David G. Bell writes
There isn't, it seems, anything like the rules we are expected to follow, not even a Voluntary Initiative. Given also that there are few fields in the UK that are not clearly visible from a fairly busy road, if not one (or several) houses too, any attempt to significantly break the rules is doomed to a very big fine. Just not worth even thinking about. -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Note: soon (maybe already) only posts via despammed.com will be accepted. |
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