Some of you may have been refusing to buy Levis products for years
because of their support for the gun control nuts, but Levis Strauss has
moved into a whole new area offensive to farmers and ranchers. Now they
are giving large donations to P.E.T.A.

While this may not be surprising coming out of a San Francisco based
clothing company, it directly harms all ranchers, farmers and hunters in
the country. We sure do buy a lot of blue jeans. In the future, don't
buy Levis, and tell the owners of the farm supply and outdoor stores why
you aren't buying them. If their retail outlets start vanishing, maybe
the company will get the message.

-------------------
From Darla Solomon, Outdoor Arizona magazine (an Arizona
hunting/fishing magazine similar to "Texas Outdoors"):

"Levis Strauss has made a donation close to the million dollar mark to
P.E.T.A."

"Consumer Relations Specialist for Levis Strauss, Shawn Rossiter told
me last week that The employees and the family owned company of Levis
Strauss made a "considerable donation" to P.E.T.A., per the request of an
employee who passed away family, she also informed me that several
employees of Levis Strauss support P.E.T.A. and receive matching
donations from the parent company of Levis Strauss."

"When I asked Ms. Rossiter if Levis Strauss had any plans to support
wildlife conservation now or in the future, she replied "You can see that
wildlife conservation is not part of the focus of the Levis Strauss
Foundation" and "wildlife conservation is not something we would consider
supporting."

Contact:

Worldwide and U.S. Headquarters
Levi Strauss & Co.
1155 Battery Street
San Francisco, CA 94111
U.S.A.
Tel: (415) 501-6000
Fax: (415) 501-7112
Consumer Questions:
(800) USA-LEVI


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A side issue:
I've always preferred Wrangler Brand -- They wore better then Levi's Jeans

dB


"Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
...
Some of you may have been refusing to buy Levis products for years
because of their support for the gun control nuts, but Levis Strauss has
moved into a whole new area offensive to farmers and ranchers. Now they
are giving large donations to P.E.T.A.

While this may not be surprising coming out of a San Francisco based
clothing company, it directly harms all ranchers, farmers and hunters in
the country. We sure do buy a lot of blue jeans. In the future, don't
buy Levis, and tell the owners of the farm supply and outdoor stores why
you aren't buying them. If their retail outlets start vanishing, maybe
the company will get the message.

-------------------
From Darla Solomon, Outdoor Arizona magazine (an Arizona
hunting/fishing magazine similar to "Texas Outdoors"):

"Levis Strauss has made a donation close to the million dollar mark to
P.E.T.A."

"Consumer Relations Specialist for Levis Strauss, Shawn Rossiter told
me last week that The employees and the family owned company of Levis
Strauss made a "considerable donation" to P.E.T.A., per the request of an
employee who passed away family, she also informed me that several
employees of Levis Strauss support P.E.T.A. and receive matching
donations from the parent company of Levis Strauss."

"When I asked Ms. Rossiter if Levis Strauss had any plans to support
wildlife conservation now or in the future, she replied "You can see that
wildlife conservation is not part of the focus of the Levis Strauss
Foundation" and "wildlife conservation is not something we would consider
supporting."

Contact:

Worldwide and U.S. Headquarters
Levi Strauss & Co.
1155 Battery Street
San Francisco, CA 94111
U.S.A.
Tel: (415) 501-6000
Fax: (415) 501-7112
Consumer Questions:
(800) USA-LEVI


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Well, shoot. I had no idea.

I am particular about my blue jeans. They have to fit just right.

A few years ago, I had problems finding some where the waist didn't
hit at about my third rib. Those high-waisted jeans were a drag.
Couldn't bend over, though I do have to say, one can stuff a
surprising amount of flab into them, thus creating the illusion of a
firm stomach.

Along with the high waists came the narrow leg openings. Remember
when it was a struggle to get your foot into them? Or they had
zippers on the back? One of my daughters has been blessed with thick
ankles. Those were rough years for her...

Now the problems are opposite. The "new" jeans remind me of the hip
huggers I wore in third grade. As I no longer have the physique of a
third grader, I find the low waists distressing. All the flab I
stuffed into the high-waisters now over-hangs the low-waisters. Add
to that, a good chunk of Victoria's Secret sticking out the back when
I bend over and...well...you get the picture. Not something a woman
my age wants to wear.

They went back to the whole flare thing too. Huge leg openings which
are unsafe around machinery, not to mention they act like huge
mops...soaking up whatever I happen to walk through and then
re-depositing it on the floor when I get home. One of my daughters
used to delight in fidgeting around and then announcing "My legs
aren't touching the legs of my pants at all!"...like that was a huge
accomplishment. It's not when the stupid things are three feet in
diameter.

I try the new ones, but I always end up going back to Levi's. Of
course, Levi's always tries to fit the new styles, but since they fail
so miserably, I can usually find something that fits ok. In fact,
when I went to California, I went to the store, just to see if they
had better Levi's than they did out here. They did and I bought
several pairs. They fit perfect. Just the right amount of rise in
the waist, just the right amount of boot cut for my boots. Their
denim is still somewhat durable, not that flimsy stuff that looks like
denim, but offers no protection at all.

Little did I know that I was wearing the creation of the enemy. I
guess every time they get cow shit splattered on them, I can feel a
little better about it. Or when I get them slimed by a newborn calf
(that is the worst..that stuff is so
sticky-slimy-won't-come-off-your-hands-or-your-pants). I guess I'll
be sure to wear them when I start gassing skunks, or poisoning rats,
or shooting coyotes, or better yet...when I do inhumane things to my
animals, like castrations!

Thanks for the tip. Guess I'm going jeans shopping again.

Jena

If you are working in them Levis 501 will out wear any of the others. When I
was feeding hay I would wear out 3 or 4 pair a year and nothing else would
last a month.

I really hate them giving money to PETA but as long as they buy cotton from
Plains Co Op I won't bite the hand that feeds me.

Gordon

"JMartin" wrote in message
om...
Well, shoot. I had no idea.

I am particular about my blue jeans. They have to fit just right.

A few years ago, I had problems finding some where the waist didn't
hit at about my third rib. Those high-waisted jeans were a drag.
Couldn't bend over, though I do have to say, one can stuff a
surprising amount of flab into them, thus creating the illusion of a
firm stomach.

Along with the high waists came the narrow leg openings. Remember
when it was a struggle to get your foot into them? Or they had
zippers on the back? One of my daughters has been blessed with thick
ankles. Those were rough years for her...

Now the problems are opposite. The "new" jeans remind me of the hip
huggers I wore in third grade. As I no longer have the physique of a
third grader, I find the low waists distressing. All the flab I
stuffed into the high-waisters now over-hangs the low-waisters. Add
to that, a good chunk of Victoria's Secret sticking out the back when
I bend over and...well...you get the picture. Not something a woman
my age wants to wear.

They went back to the whole flare thing too. Huge leg openings which
are unsafe around machinery, not to mention they act like huge
mops...soaking up whatever I happen to walk through and then
re-depositing it on the floor when I get home. One of my daughters
used to delight in fidgeting around and then announcing "My legs
aren't touching the legs of my pants at all!"...like that was a huge
accomplishment. It's not when the stupid things are three feet in
diameter.

I try the new ones, but I always end up going back to Levi's. Of
course, Levi's always tries to fit the new styles, but since they fail
so miserably, I can usually find something that fits ok. In fact,
when I went to California, I went to the store, just to see if they
had better Levi's than they did out here. They did and I bought
several pairs. They fit perfect. Just the right amount of rise in
the waist, just the right amount of boot cut for my boots. Their
denim is still somewhat durable, not that flimsy stuff that looks like
denim, but offers no protection at all.

Little did I know that I was wearing the creation of the enemy. I
guess every time they get cow shit splattered on them, I can feel a
little better about it. Or when I get them slimed by a newborn calf
(that is the worst..that stuff is so
sticky-slimy-won't-come-off-your-hands-or-your-pants). I guess I'll
be sure to wear them when I start gassing skunks, or poisoning rats,
or shooting coyotes, or better yet...when I do inhumane things to my
animals, like castrations!

Thanks for the tip. Guess I'm going jeans shopping again.

Jena

"Gordon Couger" wrote in message
news:3eae226d_1@newsfeed...
If you are working in them Levis 501 will out wear any of the others. When
I
was feeding hay I would wear out 3 or 4 pair a year and nothing else would
last a month.

I really hate them giving money to PETA but as long as they buy cotton
from
Plains Co Op I won't bite the hand that feeds me.

Gordon

must admit I never bothered with either levis or wranglers, as I could pick
up other jeans across here which wore better. Whether they don't import
proper working jeans into the UK from the US I wouldn't like to say

Jim

On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 00:23:10 GMT, wrote:
A side issue:
I've always preferred Wrangler Brand

When I was younger, Levi's fit, Wrangler didn't. But I find I've grown into
Wrangler over the years. :-)

Add to that the higher "designer" price of Levi's, and the boycott comes
a bit late to stop me wearing Levi's, because I already have.

Gary

"Jim Webster" wrote in message
...

"Gordon Couger" wrote in message
news:3eae226d_1@newsfeed...
If you are working in them Levis 501 will out wear any of the others.
When
I
was feeding hay I would wear out 3 or 4 pair a year and nothing else
would
last a month.

I really hate them giving money to PETA but as long as they buy cotton
from
Plains Co Op I won't bite the hand that feeds me.

Gordon

must admit I never bothered with either levis or wranglers, as I could
pick
up other jeans across here which wore better. Whether they don't import
proper working jeans into the UK from the US I wouldn't like to say

The 501 with copper rivets and shrink when you was them are the ones that
wear. They have buttons not a zipper. If it was for fashion they were 3/4
wore out when they were new.

Gordon

"Gordon Couger" wrote in message
news:3eae6022_3@newsfeed...

"Jim Webster" wrote in message
...

"Gordon Couger" wrote in message
news:3eae226d_1@newsfeed...
If you are working in them Levis 501 will out wear any of the others.
When
I
was feeding hay I would wear out 3 or 4 pair a year and nothing else
would
last a month.

I really hate them giving money to PETA but as long as they buy cotton
from
Plains Co Op I won't bite the hand that feeds me.

Gordon

must admit I never bothered with either levis or wranglers, as I could
pick
up other jeans across here which wore better. Whether they don't import
proper working jeans into the UK from the US I wouldn't like to say

The 501 with copper rivets and shrink when you was them are the ones that
wear. They have buttons not a zipper. If it was for fashion they were 3/4
wore out when they were new.

Gordon

501's fit me and I don't need to worry about getting ceratin equipment
caught in the zipper. God, it hurts just to think about it because you look
down see what you have done and know you now have to jerk the zipper back
down to free the poor soul.

I have found it a little more difficult to find the unwashed, unbleached
501's than in past years.

In misc.rural Gordon Couger wrote:
If you are working in them Levis 501 will out wear any of the others. When I
was feeding hay I would wear out 3 or 4 pair a year and nothing else would
last a month.

I really hate them giving money to PETA but as long as they buy cotton from
Plains Co Op I won't bite the hand that feeds me.

You could always find out how much they donate per pair, and double that
amount to an appropriate group. Following that up with a letter to Levi's
telling them that wouldn't hurt.

On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:24:41 +0000, davehin wrote:

In misc.rural Gordon Couger wrote:
If you are working in them Levis 501 will out wear any of the others.
When I was feeding hay I would wear out 3 or 4 pair a year and nothing
else would last a month.

I really hate them giving money to PETA but as long as they buy cotton
from Plains Co Op I won't bite the hand that feeds me.

You could always find out how much they donate per pair, and double that
amount to an appropriate group. Following that up with a letter to
Levi's telling them that wouldn't hurt.

Not to say folks shouldn't follow the above advice (as a rule americans
could stand to be a lot more charitable), but something that seems to be
lost in the mix is that it was an employee who donated to PETA and Levi
Strauss matched the employees donation through a fairly standard matching
contribution plan. It doesn't appear that Levi's actually decided to
donate money to PETA of their own volition.

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In misc.rural Rich Wellner wrote:

Not to say folks shouldn't follow the above advice (as a rule americans
could stand to be a lot more charitable), but something that seems to be
lost in the mix is that it was an employee who donated to PETA and Levi
Strauss matched the employees donation through a fairly standard matching
contribution plan. It doesn't appear that Levi's actually decided to
donate money to PETA of their own volition.

Perhaps, but they certainly get to decide which organizations to put on
the "We'll match your donation" list. By doing so, they are expressing
their agreement with those organizations; by giving them money, they're
backing up their sentiments.

Michael wrote:
"Gordon Couger" wrote in message
news:3eae6022_3@newsfeed...

"Jim Webster" wrote in message
...

"Gordon Couger" wrote in message
news:3eae226d_1@newsfeed...

If you are working in them Levis 501 will out wear any of the others.

When

I

was feeding hay I would wear out 3 or 4 pair a year and nothing else

would

last a month.

I really hate them giving money to PETA but as long as they buy cotton

from

Plains Co Op I won't bite the hand that feeds me.

Gordon

must admit I never bothered with either levis or wranglers, as I could

pick

up other jeans across here which wore better. Whether they don't import
proper working jeans into the UK from the US I wouldn't like to say


The 501 with copper rivets and shrink when you was them are the ones that
wear. They have buttons not a zipper. If it was for fashion they were 3/4
wore out when they were new.

Gordon


501's fit me and I don't need to worry about getting ceratin equipment
caught in the zipper. God, it hurts just to think about it because you look
down see what you have done and know you now have to jerk the zipper back
down to free the poor soul.

Stupid redneck. You ought to wear underwear.


I have found it a little more difficult to find the unwashed, unbleached
501's than in past years.

I'm still mad that they took out the extra loop in the waste. Try Pointer
brand jeans. A friendly company too. Screw Levi's they ruined the 501's IMO.

http://www.pointerbrand.com/OurAmericanDream.asp

Larry Caldwell wrote:

Some of you may have been refusing to buy Levis products for years
because of their support for the gun control nuts, but Levis Strauss has
moved into a whole new area offensive to farmers and ranchers. Now they
are giving large donations to P.E.T.A.

While this may not be surprising coming out of a San Francisco based
clothing company, it directly harms all ranchers, farmers and hunters in
the country. We sure do buy a lot of blue jeans. In the future, don't
buy Levis, and tell the owners of the farm supply and outdoor stores why
you aren't buying them. If their retail outlets start vanishing, maybe
the company will get the message.

-------------------
From Darla Solomon, Outdoor Arizona magazine (an Arizona
hunting/fishing magazine similar to "Texas Outdoors"):

"Levis Strauss has made a donation close to the million dollar mark to
P.E.T.A."

"Consumer Relations Specialist for Levis Strauss, Shawn Rossiter told
me last week that The employees and the family owned company of Levis
Strauss made a "considerable donation" to P.E.T.A., per the request of an
employee who passed away family, she also informed me that several
employees of Levis Strauss support P.E.T.A. and receive matching
donations from the parent company of Levis Strauss."

"When I asked Ms. Rossiter if Levis Strauss had any plans to support
wildlife conservation now or in the future, she replied "You can see that
wildlife conservation is not part of the focus of the Levis Strauss
Foundation" and "wildlife conservation is not something we would consider
supporting."

Contact:

Worldwide and U.S. Headquarters
Levi Strauss & Co.
1155 Battery Street
San Francisco, CA 94111
U.S.A.
Tel: (415) 501-6000
Fax: (415) 501-7112
Consumer Questions:
(800) USA-LEVI

--
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On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:51:31 +0000, davehin wrote:

In misc.rural Rich Wellner wrote:

Not to say folks shouldn't follow the above advice (as a rule americans
could stand to be a lot more charitable), but something that seems to
be lost in the mix is that it was an employee who donated to PETA and
Levi Strauss matched the employees donation through a fairly standard
matching contribution plan. It doesn't appear that Levi's actually
decided to donate money to PETA of their own volition.

Perhaps, but they certainly get to decide which organizations to put on
the "We'll match your donation" list. By doing so, they are expressing
their agreement with those organizations; by giving them money, they're
backing up their sentiments.

Many companies agree to match donations to any organization registered as
a 501(c)(3) entity in order to avoid playing favorites and avoid getting a
bad name.

Guess it didn't work in this case...

There is the question of whether PETA should be allowed to continue with
that tax structure, but today that's how it is.

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To follow on with more info on charitable organizations:
http://www.irs.gov/charities/article...=96099,00.html

If people really want to make a difference on the PETA thing a better idea
than boycotting Levi Stausss would be to join one of the efforts to get
them de-listed as a charity.

Levi's is only one of thousands of corps sending money their way as a
result of these matching programs.

rw2

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