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'2.8 Dairy herds were far more affected by BSE than beef herds.

yes, because Dairy herds are far more likely to get MBM in their
rations,.

That too, as well as more manganese.

no because beef herds will get mineralised blocks or similar which dairy
cattle will never normally be offered.

But beef herds use salt licks at will. Added to feed, the animal
has no choice but to ingest it.

you haven't the faintest idea what a mineralised block is have you.

--and this is where jim falls apart--

What in MBM is a better match with BSE, jim?

we haven't even starting discussing that.


No wonder, as you keep on evading it.


First we had to get you to
find out what was the difference between a lick and a block.


There is no difference. A mineral/salt lick and a mineralised block
are, for all intents and purposes, the same thing.

That's not the same off-key tune you were singing just
two days ago:

Someone was thoughtful enough to find a supplier of
mineralised supplementary feed licks for cattle
http://www.ccfarmers.co.uk/feed.asp , but that's
still a lick. I see Dry Cow Feed Blocks on the same
page

You didn't know then that a "lick" and a "block" were,
"for all intents and purposes, the same thing".


You introduced mineralised FEED block when you realised that.

Michael said "There are licks AND feed blocks. Both weigh about
fifty pounds. The feed blocks must be protected from the weather
or they will crumble and become inedible. The licks are solid enough
to be either simply dropped in the pasture or put in a salt block holder",
but showed us a link to a mineral lick/block containing grain products.
http://www.martindalefeed.com/Products/BLOCKS/3307.htm

I asked whether the feed block Michael had described were also
used in the UK. Now we know that supplementary feed blocks
which contain minerals are available, but I have yet to see them
referred to as 'mineralised feed blocks'.


Then you
asked the question what is MBM, so let us hear your answer to that.


No I didn't, I asked you in response to your "MBM has a better match"
(with incidence of BSE), "What in MBM exactly?", NOT what IS MBM.

You misread it then, (ironically, whilst saying I had reading problems),
so I corrected you then, which means that now you are either lying or
demented.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lotus"
Newsgroups: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,talk.politics.animal s,sci.agriculture
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 3:43 PM
Subject: Mad Cow Disease / Mad Deer Disease

: "Jim Webster" wrote in message
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and MBM has a better match

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What in MBM exactly?

jesus wept.
you are discussing BSE and you don't know what MBM is. Obviously your
reading is limited to say the least. You then go about quoting vast
screeds of stuff which contains the phrase, and you don't know what it
is.


Obviously your reading is limited to say the least.
I know what it IS. I asked you what _IN_ MBM exactly.

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STILL waiting.


Once
we know what you think MBM is and can repair any gaps in your knowledge
then we can proceed to discuss the links between that and BSE.


You really do appear to be a terminally stupid and unethical person, jim.

"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message ...
Lotus wrote:
"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message ...

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Jim Webster wrote:


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trying to pull his scorched balls out of the fire.


Reread ~~weed's~~ claim:

I can't find a SINGLE reference to the use of
mineralised FEED blocks in the UK.


This was my 'infamous' search;
http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&ie...attle+uk&meta=
See for yourselves- 45 irrelevant hits, afaics, - either
mineral/salt licks/blocks, or mineralised barley.

I did a search, and found a relevant link on the first
try. You are a blind idiot: you weren't really looking.

Show us a link to 'mineralised FEED blocks' in the UK then.

I already did, you stupid blind ****:

Crystalyx : A range of high energy, mineralised
supplementary feed licks for cattle, sheep and deer
in easy to handle 16.6kg boxes and 80kg tubs.
http://www.ccfarmers.co.uk/feed.asp

Nope, still don't see the words 'mineralised feed block',
and Jim had laughed when I said 'mineralised blocks'
were the same as 'salt licks', and he then added 'feed'
into the equation, hence my search SPECIFICALLY for
'mineralised FEED blocks', you stupid blind asshole.

A "lick" and a "block" are the same thing, you ignorant
****.

I know that, you foul-mouthed psycho-scum.

You don't even know what we were speaking of, dumbass.

I caught you in a LIE, ~~weed~~.

NO you did not, LIAR filth.

It doesn't matter
what you were "speaking of"; your speaking was a lie.

No. Reread my claim: "I can't find a SINGLE reference
to the use of mineralised FEED blocks in the UK".

'MINERALISED FEED BLOCKS', blockhead.

Michael said "There are licks AND feed blocks. Both weigh about
fifty pounds. The feed blocks must be protected from the weather
or they will crumble and become inedible. The licks are solid enough
to be either simply dropped in the pasture or put in a salt block holder",
but showed us a link to a mineral lick/block containing grain products.
http://www.martindalefeed.com/Products/BLOCKS/3307.htm

I asked whether the feed block Michael had described were also
used in the UK. Now we know that supplementary feed blocks
which contain minerals are available, but I have yet to see them
referred to as 'mineralised feed blocks'.

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Lotus wrote:

"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message ...
Lotus wrote:
"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message ...

Lotus wrote:

"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message ...


Jim Webster wrote:


Jonathan Ball wrote in message
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trying to pull his scorched balls out of the fire.


Reread ~~weed's~~ claim:

I can't find a SINGLE reference to the use of
mineralised FEED blocks in the UK.


This was my 'infamous' search;
http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&ie...attle+uk&meta=
See for yourselves- 45 irrelevant hits, afaics, - either
mineral/salt licks/blocks, or mineralised barley.

I did a search, and found a relevant link on the first
try. You are a blind idiot: you weren't really looking.

Show us a link to 'mineralised FEED blocks' in the UK then.

I already did, you stupid blind ****:

Crystalyx : A range of high energy, mineralised
supplementary feed licks for cattle, sheep and deer
in easy to handle 16.6kg boxes and 80kg tubs.
http://www.ccfarmers.co.uk/feed.asp

Nope, still don't see the words 'mineralised feed block',
and Jim had laughed when I said 'mineralised blocks'
were the same as 'salt licks', and he then added 'feed'
into the equation, hence my search SPECIFICALLY for
'mineralised FEED blocks', you stupid blind asshole.

A block and a lick are the same thing, you stupid blind
dishonest ****.


A "lick" and a "block" are the same thing, you ignorant
****.

I know that, you foul-mouthed psycho-scum.

No, you don't, you stupid asshole, or else you wouldnt
still be bleating about a distinction between a
minerlized feed block and a mineralized feed lick.
They are synonymous.


You don't even know what we were speaking of, dumbass.

I caught you in a LIE, ~~SHITweed~~.

NO you did not, LIAR filth.

I caught you in a lie, ~~SHITWEED~~.


It doesn't matter
what you were "speaking of"; your speaking was a lie.

No. Reread my claim: "I can't find a SINGLE reference
to the use of mineralised FEED blocks in the UK".

'MINERALISED FEED BLOCKS', blockhead.

And I found one. It used the word "lick" instead of
"block", but they are the same thing. I found a
reference to mineralized feed licks/blocks. You
couldn't find it because you are blind and dishonest,
and you are TOO ****ING STUPID to realize you've been
provided with the reference.

The fact you were too STUPID and BLIND to find it does
not mean the reference doesn't exist.

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I have never lied,

You lie all the time, liar.

You've already wasted enough of other's and my time with
these obsessions of yours, which you are STILL lying about,
boil, you wretched socio-psychopathic jackass.

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"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message ...
Lotus wrote:

'MINERALISED FEED BLOCKS', blockhead.

And I found one. It used the word "lick" instead of
"block",

Exactly.

but they are the same thing.

But I was not searching for 'LICKS'.

I found a reference to mineralized feed licks/blocks.

Still 'mineralized feed licks', not 'mineralized feed blocks'.

There are hundreds of references to 'mineralised licks/blocks',
but my search was for 'mineralized feed blocks', as SPECIFIED
by JIM.

"Jim Webster" wrote in message ...

Lotus wrote in message
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"Jim Webster" wrote in message
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First we had to get you to
find out what was the difference between a lick and a block.

There is no difference. A mineral/salt lick and a mineralised block
are, for all intents and purposes, the same thing.

no, because a mineral salt lick will not contain protein

And a mineralised block will?

Again, search results for mineralised + block + protein isn't
yielding a tin shilling.

"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message ...
Lotus wrote:
"Jim Webster" wrote in message
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Lotus wrote in message

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First we had to get you to
find out what was the difference between a lick and a block.


There is no difference. A mineral/salt lick and a mineralised block
are, for all intents and purposes, the same thing.

That's not the same off-key tune you were singing just
two days ago:

Someone was thoughtful enough to find a supplier of
mineralised supplementary feed licks for cattle
http://www.ccfarmers.co.uk/feed.asp , but that's
still a lick. I see Dry Cow Feed Blocks on the same
page

You didn't know then that a "lick" and a "block" were,
"for all intents and purposes, the same thing".

Yes, I did. It was JIM that said that 'salt licks' and 'mineralised blocks'
were two different things.

You introduced mineralised FEED block when you realised that.

Michael said "There are licks AND feed blocks. Both weigh about
fifty pounds. The feed blocks must be protected from the weather
or they will crumble and become inedible. The licks are solid enough
to be either simply dropped in the pasture or put in a salt block holder",
but showed us a link to a mineral lick/block containing grain products.
http://www.martindalefeed.com/Products/BLOCKS/3307.htm

I asked whether the feed block Michael had described were also
used in the UK. Now we know that supplementary feed blocks
which contain minerals are available, but I have yet to see them
referred to as 'mineralised feed blocks'.

[..]

"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message ...

Filthy lies.

Lotus wrote:

"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message ...
Lotus wrote:

'MINERALISED FEED BLOCKS', blockhead.

And I found one. It used the word "lick" instead of
"block",

Exactly.

but they are the same thing.

But I was not searching for 'LICKS'.

When you found references to "mineralized feed licks",
you ought to have recognized them as "blocks", you
stupid ****. Any educated person would. Your lack of
education is not anyone else's fault.


I found a reference to mineralized feed licks/blocks.

Still 'mineralized feed licks', not 'mineralized feed blocks'.

There are hundreds of references to 'mineralised licks/blocks',
but my search was for 'mineralized feed blocks', as SPECIFIED
by JIM.

You should have been more imaginative. Real, USEFUL
imagination, ~~shitweed~~, not that "inner earth being"
horseshit.

Lotus wrote:

"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message ...
Lotus wrote:
"Jim Webster" wrote in message
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Lotus wrote in message

[..]
First we had to get you to
find out what was the difference between a lick and a block.


There is no difference. A mineral/salt lick and a mineralised block
are, for all intents and purposes, the same thing.

That's not the same off-key tune you were singing just
two days ago:

Someone was thoughtful enough to find a supplier of
mineralised supplementary feed licks for cattle
http://www.ccfarmers.co.uk/feed.asp , but that's
still a lick. I see Dry Cow Feed Blocks on the same
page

You didn't know then that a "lick" and a "block" were,
"for all intents and purposes, the same thing".

Yes, I did.

No, you quite clearly did not. Otherwise, you wouldn't
have ****ed away so much time.

It was JIM that said that 'salt licks' and 'mineralised blocks'
were two different things.

If you REALLY had known that a "block" and a "lick"
were effectively the same thing, you wouldn't have
needed to **** away time on arguing with him.

Lotus wrote:

"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message ...

Filthy lies.

Nope; the full truth.

You're a liar. We have quite a good idea of your
life. You believe in "inner earth beings", who
supposedly live under Mt. Shasta in northern
California, despite having NO evidence for their
existence. You practice BULLSHIT, QUACK medicine
in Ireland, CRIMINALLY swindling people out of
money through your promotion of "Doctor" (huh) Hulda
Clarke's "zapper", which is known to be a useless
piece of junk with no medical benefits.

You DO believe in "inner earth beings", and you DO
(mal)practice "medicine" in Ireland.

You are an utter charlatan.

Lotus wrote in message
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"Jim Webster" wrote in message
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Lotus wrote in message
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"Jim Webster" wrote in message
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First we had to get you to
find out what was the difference between a lick and a block.

There is no difference. A mineral/salt lick and a mineralised
block
are, for all intents and purposes, the same thing.

no, because a mineral salt lick will not contain protein

And a mineralised block will?

Again, search results for mineralised + block + protein isn't
yielding a tin shilling.

forget it, because I cannot be bothered wading through you two slagging
each other off I am not bothering downloading this thread any more as
most of it is just noise.
But just to explain in short sentences a mineralised feed block may well
contain protein which could well be part of the whole BSE/MBM problem. A
mineral salt lick will not.

If you want to discuss something as opposed to merely rave at the other
loon, start a new thread under a new subject line. This one had about
eleven messages of which ten were two clowns shrieking at each other. I
have no intention wasting my time wading through that sort of rubbish.


--
Jim Webster

"The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind"

'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami'

Gordon Couger wrote:
Jonathan Ball wrote in message ...

Wim Jebster wrote:

Gordon Couger wrote in message
news:0AUP9.163736$qF3.10939@sccrnsc04...




They have hard lessons to learn in life if they ever hope to succeed
at anything.


they are lessons so far removed from their way of life that they cannot
even comprehend what the learning will teach them.
Remember these people ofter never impact on the real world. I remember
the ex wife of a friend of mine. She had no winter clothes, not even a
coat. She lived in a centrally heated house with garage built in, drove
to her centrally heated office, parked in the carpark underneath the
office building. She was known to wear less in winter than summer
because the office central heating was set a bit high.

expecting people like that to understand reality is like asking a
bullock to discuss quantum physics.

Just shut up, Wim. Every time you try to write
profundity, you fail and wind up looking stupid.

You and Gordon, and of course that stupid fat
hula-hooping pachyderm Sue Bitchup, all seem to think
that the only worthwhile lessons learned in life are to
be found in rural settings; in other words, "rural
life" = "reality".

You couldn't be more wrong. What a conceited bunch of
rustics you lot are! Don't you morons understand that
every time you write that kind of shit, you look ever
more stupid?


You still haven't answered what have you personally done for the
agricultural environment. Other than whine about it.

No, ****wit. You didn't ask originally what I had done
for the **agricultural** environment; you asked:

Give an example of something you have done to
directly improve the envrionment.

Whatever the **** the "envrionment" is.

Now, you've moved the goalposts. Suddenly, it's for
the "agricultural" environment.

Listen, shit-for-brains: most of what you have done
FOR the "agricultural" environment would be considered
to have been done AGAINST the overall environment.

Got it, ****witted rube?


I didn't develop the prototype of www.greenseeker.com on a rural
environment.

It's doubtful you developed it at all, you stinking
self-absorbed liar, but if you DIDN'T develop it on a
rural environment, given that it's about a wheat
fertilizer, than just where the **** DID you develop
it? In South-Central Los Angeles?

What a ****witted liar you are!

It will cut the nitrogen top dressed fertilzer in wheat by 50%
with out effecting yield and reduce broadcast spray uses of herbicide by 50%
an more with out effecting the weed control.

Gordon

Jonathan Ball wrote in in reply to
It will cut the nitrogen top dressed fertilzer in wheat by 50%
with out effecting yield and reduce broadcast spray uses of
herbicide by 50%
an more with out effecting the weed control.

nothing


but then he probably couldn't understand it.
--
Jim Webster

"The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind"

'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami'

"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message ...
Lotus wrote:

"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message
...
Lotus wrote:

'MINERALISED FEED BLOCKS', blockhead.

And I found one. It used the word "lick" instead of
"block",

Exactly.

but they are the same thing.

But I was not searching for 'LICKS'.

When you found references to "mineralized feed licks",
you ought to have recognized them as "blocks", you
stupid ****. Any educated person would. Your lack of
education is not anyone else's fault.

That search was for 'mineralized feed blocks', as SPECIFIED
by JIM. Why is that SO hard for you to comprehend?

I found a reference to mineralized feed licks/blocks.

Still 'mineralized feed licks', not 'mineralized feed blocks'.

There are hundreds of references to 'mineralised licks/blocks',
but my search was for 'mineralized feed blocks', as SPECIFIED
by JIM.

You should have been more imaginative. Real, USEFUL
imagination, ~~shitweed~~, not that "inner earth being"
horseshit.

Go to hell, you ignorant delinquent potty mouth