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26-12-2002, 07:08 AM
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Mad Cow Disease / Mad Deer Disease
Lotus wrote in message ... '2.8 Dairy herds were far more affected by BSE than beef herds. yes, because Dairy herds are far more likely to get MBM in their rations,. That too, as well as more manganese. no because beef herds will get mineralised blocks or similar which dairy cattle will never normally be offered. who is the UK are almost all daughters of conventional cows who were treated with OPs It says 'home reared'. clever girl, and where do you think the orginial organic dairy cows came from, spontaneous evolution of life from horsehair and mud? Again; 'The lack of BSE incidence in beef suckler herds (1) and total lack of BSE in home reared cattle on organic farms (87) can not that last word can it can be attributed to any damned thing that you want. Except that OPs didn't have the same problem anywhere else when used it similar levels, and MBM has a better match -- Jim Webster "The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind" 'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami' |
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26-12-2002, 09:04 AM
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#63
26-12-2002, 03:43 PM
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"Jim Webster" wrote in message ...
Lotus wrote in message ... '2.8 Dairy herds were far more affected by BSE than beef herds. yes, because Dairy herds are far more likely to get MBM in their rations,. That too, as well as more manganese. no because beef herds will get mineralised blocks or similar which dairy cattle will never normally be offered. But beef herds use salt licks at will. Added to feed, the animal has no choice but to ingest it. who is the UK are almost all daughters of conventional cows who were treated with OPs It says 'home reared'. clever girl, and where do you think the orginial organic dairy cows came from, spontaneous evolution of life from horsehair and mud? Again; 'The lack of BSE incidence in beef suckler herds (1) and total lack of BSE in home reared cattle on organic farms (87) can not that last word can can what? Where's the rest, jimbob? --restore-- ... can be attributed to the preferential use of the ‘non OP’ ivermectin types of warblecide on these farms. Whereas on conventional dairy farms where BSE incidence rates were high (1), licensing restrictions on the use of ivermectin on ‘in milk’ cows necessitated the exclusive use of OP types of warblecide on dairy farms for economic reasons. ' http://www.markpurdey.com/science_th...s_of_bse_5.htm it can be attributed to any damned thing that you want. Except that OPs didn't have the same problem anywhere else when used it similar levels, Don't they? We've covered this already, and, yes, they do. 'Apart from Portugal which only exposed its cattle to an in-feed source of bioconcentrated phosmet/ prions in the fat/tallow fraction of MBM imported from the UK, the only other countries affected with endemic BSE outside of the UK are Eire, the Channel Islands, France and Switzerland which are the other countries besides the UK that have exposed their livestock both directly and indirectly to potentially significant doses of phosmet.' http://www.markpurdey.com/science_highdose_3.htm and MBM has a better match What in MBM exactly? |
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#64
26-12-2002, 04:47 PM
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Mad Cow Disease / Mad Deer Disease
Lotus wrote in message ... "Jim Webster" wrote in message ... Lotus wrote in message ... '2.8 Dairy herds were far more affected by BSE than beef herds. yes, because Dairy herds are far more likely to get MBM in their rations,. That too, as well as more manganese. no because beef herds will get mineralised blocks or similar which dairy cattle will never normally be offered. But beef herds use salt licks at will. Added to feed, the animal has no choice but to ingest it. you haven't the faintest idea what a mineralised block is have you. who is the UK are almost all daughters of conventional cows who were treated with OPs It says 'home reared'. clever girl, and where do you think the orginial organic dairy cows came from, spontaneous evolution of life from horsehair and mud? Again; 'The lack of BSE incidence in beef suckler herds (1) and total lack of BSE in home reared cattle on organic farms (87) can not that last word can can what? Where's the rest, jimbob? and MBM has a better mat it can be attributed to any damned thing that you want. Except that OPs didn't have the same problem anywhere else when used it similar levels, and MBM has a better match -- and I restored my bit What in MBM exactly? jesus wept. you are discussing BSE and you don't know what MBM is. Obviously your reading is limited to say the least. You then go about quoting vast screeds of stuff which contains the phrase, and you don't know what it is. I suggest you find out quickly. Try phoning a friend. -- Jim Webster "The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind" 'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami' |
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#65
26-12-2002, 06:34 PM
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Mad Cow Disease / Mad Deer Disease
"Jim Webster" wrote in message ...
Lotus wrote in message ... "Jim Webster" wrote in message ... Lotus wrote in message ... '2.8 Dairy herds were far more affected by BSE than beef herds. yes, because Dairy herds are far more likely to get MBM in their rations,. That too, as well as more manganese. no because beef herds will get mineralised blocks or similar which dairy cattle will never normally be offered. But beef herds use salt licks at will. Added to feed, the animal has no choice but to ingest it. you haven't the faintest idea what a mineralised block is have you. You who is the UK are almost all daughters of conventional cows who were treated with OPs It says 'home reared'. clever girl, and where do you think the orginial organic dairy cows came from, spontaneous evolution of life from horsehair and mud? Again; 'The lack of BSE incidence in beef suckler herds (1) and total lack of BSE in home reared cattle on organic farms (87) can not that last word can can what? Where's the rest, jimbob? and MBM has a better mat it can be attributed to any damned thing that you want. Except that OPs didn't have the same problem anywhere else when used it similar levels, and MBM has a better match -- and I restored my bit You snipped the bit showing you were wrong, again. What in MBM exactly? jesus wept. you are discussing BSE and you don't know what MBM is. Obviously your reading is limited to say the least. You then go about quoting vast screeds of stuff which contains the phrase, and you don't know what it is. Obviously your reading is limited to say the least. I know what it IS. I asked you what _IN_ MBM exactly. I suggest you find out quickly. Try phoning a friend. -- Jim Webster, the pastor of stupidity, is unwholesome to mankind. |
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#66
26-12-2002, 06:40 PM
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Mad Cow Disease / Mad Deer Disease
"Lotus" wrote in message ...
"Jim Webster" wrote in message ... Lotus wrote in message ... "Jim Webster" wrote in message ... Lotus wrote in message ... '2.8 Dairy herds were far more affected by BSE than beef herds. yes, because Dairy herds are far more likely to get MBM in their rations,. That too, as well as more manganese. no because beef herds will get mineralised blocks or similar which dairy cattle will never normally be offered. But beef herds use salt licks at will. Added to feed, the animal has no choice but to ingest it. you haven't the faintest idea what a mineralised block is have you. Humour me. who is the UK are almost all daughters of conventional cows who were treated with OPs It says 'home reared'. clever girl, and where do you think the orginial organic dairy cows came from, spontaneous evolution of life from horsehair and mud? Again; 'The lack of BSE incidence in beef suckler herds (1) and total lack of BSE in home reared cattle on organic farms (87) can not that last word can can what? Where's the rest, jimbob? and MBM has a better mat it can be attributed to any damned thing that you want. Except that OPs didn't have the same problem anywhere else when used it similar levels, and MBM has a better match -- and I restored my bit You snipped the bit showing you were wrong, again. What in MBM exactly? jesus wept. you are discussing BSE and you don't know what MBM is. Obviously your reading is limited to say the least. You then go about quoting vast screeds of stuff which contains the phrase, and you don't know what it is. Obviously your reading is limited to say the least. I know what it IS. I asked you what _IN_ MBM exactly. I suggest you find out quickly. Try phoning a friend. -- Jim Webster, the pastor of stupidity, is unwholesome to mankind. |
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#67
26-12-2002, 10:47 PM
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Mad Cow Disease / Mad Deer Disease
"Lotus" wrote in message ... "Lotus" wrote in message ... "Jim Webster" wrote in message snipping to answer a single question no because beef herds will get mineralised blocks or similar which dairy cattle will never normally be offered. But beef herds use salt licks at will. Added to feed, the animal has no choice but to ingest it. you haven't the faintest idea what a mineralised block is have you. Humour me. One example is below. Farmers know this product intimately. The blocks weight fifty pounds and you have to lug this block across frozen fields and swollen creeks to get it to the blasted cattle. Got a set of bruises on my ribs now from humping one of these things out to the lower pasture through the ice storm a few weeks ago. The ice won, I fell on the thing. http://www.martindalefeed.com/Products/BLOCKS/3307.htm |
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#68
26-12-2002, 11:41 PM
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Mad Cow Disease / Mad Deer Disease
Lotus wrote in message ... "Jim Webster" wrote in message ... But beef herds use salt licks at will. Added to feed, the animal has no choice but to ingest it. you haven't the faintest idea what a mineralised block is have you. You yep, me What in MBM exactly? jesus wept. you are discussing BSE and you don't know what MBM is. Obviously your reading is limited to say the least. You then go about quoting vast screeds of stuff which contains the phrase, and you don't know what it is. Obviously your reading is limited to say the least. I know what it IS. I asked you what _IN_ MBM exactly. congratulations, against all the odds, you managed to make yourself look even more stupid. you have been discussing BSE and don't know what is in MBM. fine terrific look I knew I was correcting the ravings of a fool, but I never realised they were the ravings of an ignorant fool. Jim Webster, the pastor to stupidity, is once again forced to minister to lotus -- Jim Webster "The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind" 'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami' |
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#69
26-12-2002, 11:49 PM
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Mad Cow Disease / Mad Deer Disease
Lotus wrote in message ... But beef herds use salt licks at will. Added to feed, the animal has no choice but to ingest it. you haven't the faintest idea what a mineralised block is have you. Humour me. no thank you, you are just a total waste of space, you put forward all sorts of half baked and discredited ideas and haven't got even the most basic knowledge of what you are talking about. You pontificate about animal diets and mineral uptakes but don't know what mineralised feed blocks are. You rave about BSE and organophosphates but somehow don't know what is in MBM. You are just a total and complete and utter waste of space. You are self indulgent bleating child who has some sort of urge to tell the world about the soft sweet words the inner earth beings have poured into that rattling pot which passes as your mind, like a newly potty trained toddler you then proudly pass it round for everyone to admire the contents. You have been posting to sci.agriculture, displaying your erudition to people who have been keeping, breeding and researching into livestock and arable crops for, in some cases, fifty years more than your reading age. I only hope that at this point you drop into your usual self absorbed state and don't realise just what a complete and total waste of time you come across as. I must apologise to the others on the groups involved, they I might agree on disagree with, some of them are persons who can string together a sensible argument, some of them are persons who are actually genuinely well informed. You have managed to set whole new standards of ignorance. -- Jim Webster "The pasture of stupidity is unwholesome to mankind" 'Abd-ar-Rahman b. Muhammad b. Khaldun al-Hadrami' |
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#70
27-12-2002, 09:30 AM
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Jim Webster writes
I suggest you find out quickly. Try phoning a friend. Que? -- Oz This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious. Note: soon (maybe already) only posts via despammed.com will be accepted. |
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#71
27-12-2002, 12:44 PM
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"Michael" wrote in message
... "Lotus" wrote in message ... "Lotus" wrote in message ... "Jim Webster" wrote in message snipping to answer a single question no because beef herds will get mineralised blocks or similar which dairy cattle will never normally be offered. But beef herds use salt licks at will. Added to feed, the animal has no choice but to ingest it. you haven't the faintest idea what a mineralised block is have you. Humour me. One example is below. Farmers know this product intimately. The blocks weight fifty pounds and you have to lug this block across frozen fields and swollen creeks to get it to the blasted cattle. Got a set of bruises on my ribs now from humping one of these things out to the lower pasture through the ice storm a few weeks ago. The ice won, I fell on the thing. http://www.martindalefeed.com/Products/BLOCKS/3307.htm Thanks Michael. I'm well aware what a mineralized 'salt lick' block is. |
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#72
27-12-2002, 01:06 PM
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Mad Cow Disease / Mad Deer Disease
"Jim Webster" wrote in message ...
Lotus wrote in message ... But beef herds use salt licks at will. Added to feed, the animal has no choice but to ingest it. you haven't the faintest idea what a mineralised block is have you. Humour me. no thank you, Of course not, because a 'mineralized block', is a 'salt lick', stupid. So, of course you now spin off in a paroxysm of antipathy, in order to try and draw attention away from your miserable position. you are just a total waste of space, Speak for yourself, stupid. You alone do more damage to the credibility of your group than everyone else put together. you put forward all sorts of half baked and discredited ideas and haven't got even the most basic knowledge of what you are talking about. You're lying through your rotten teeth. Every time you've been called on such like crass claims, you've snipped and run, leaving a trail of slime in your wake. You pontificate about animal diets and mineral uptakes but don't know what mineralised feed blocks are. Mineralized FEED blocks? What are you saying here? Are these 'mineralized feed blocks' like little sugar cubes scattered in the grass? You rave about BSE and organophosphates but somehow don't know what is in MBM. More obvious lies. You are just a total and complete and utter waste of space. You are self indulgent bleating child who has some sort of urge to tell the world about the soft sweet words the inner earth beings have poured into that rattling pot which passes as your mind, like a newly potty trained toddler you then proudly pass it round for everyone to admire the contents. That's YOUR obsession, jimboy. YOU are the one that ever seeks refuge in the 'inner earth saga' when the going gets tough. You have been posting to sci.agriculture, You started the cross-post. displaying your erudition to people who have been keeping, breeding and researching into livestock and arable crops for, in some cases, fifty years more than your reading age. I only hope that at this point you drop into your usual self absorbed state and don't realise just what a complete and total waste of time you come across as. Speak for yourself, stupid. I must apologise to the others on the groups involved, they I might agree on disagree with, some of them are persons who can string together a sensible argument, some of them are persons who are actually genuinely well informed. You have managed to set whole new standards of ignorance. Says the geezer who can't even be honest about what a mineralized block is. -- Jim Webster, the pastor of stupidity, is unwholesome to mankind. |
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27-12-2002, 01:12 PM
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#74
27-12-2002, 02:38 PM
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Mad Cow Disease / Mad Deer Disease
"Lotus" wrote in message ... "Michael" wrote in message ... "Lotus" wrote in message ... "Lotus" wrote in message ... "Jim Webster" wrote in message snipping to answer a single question no because beef herds will get mineralised blocks or similar which dairy cattle will never normally be offered. But beef herds use salt licks at will. Added to feed, the animal has no choice but to ingest it. you haven't the faintest idea what a mineralised block is have you. Humour me. One example is below. Farmers know this product intimately. The blocks weight fifty pounds and you have to lug this block across frozen fields and swollen creeks to get it to the blasted cattle. Got a set of bruises on my ribs now from humping one of these things out to the lower pasture through the ice storm a few weeks ago. The ice won, I fell on the thing. http://www.martindalefeed.com/Products/BLOCKS/3307.htm Thanks Michael. I'm well aware what a mineralized 'salt lick' block is. Never "heard" it called that before. |
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27-12-2002, 02:38 PM
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Mad Cow Disease / Mad Deer Disease
"Lotus" wrote in message ... "Jim Webster" wrote in message ... Lotus wrote in message ... But beef herds use salt licks at will. Added to feed, the animal has no choice but to ingest it. you haven't the faintest idea what a mineralised block is have you. Humour me. no thank you, Of course not, because a 'mineralized block', is a 'salt lick', stupid. No, it is not. It may contain a large percentage of salt but it is not used for the same purpose or should it be used for all domestic animals. So, of course you now spin off in a paroxysm of antipathy, in order to try and draw attention away from your miserable position. you are just a total waste of space, Speak for yourself, stupid. You alone do more damage to the credibility of your group than everyone else put together. you put forward all sorts of half baked and discredited ideas and haven't got even the most basic knowledge of what you are talking about. You're lying through your rotten teeth. Every time you've been called on such like crass claims, you've snipped and run, leaving a trail of slime in your wake. You pontificate about animal diets and mineral uptakes but don't know what mineralised feed blocks are. Mineralized FEED blocks? What are you saying here? Are these 'mineralized feed blocks' like little sugar cubes scattered in the grass? There are licks AND feed blocks. Both weigh about fifty pounds. The feed blocks must be protected from the weather or they will crumble and become inedible. The licks are solid enough to be either simply dropped in the pasture or put in a salt block holder. snipped for brevity |
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