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Is this the horse radish that can be bought in nurseries here in the
spring?

http://www.le.ac.uk/engineering/staf...al/general.htm

I had this great frozen TV dinner Indian soup called Sambhar and I
wanted to make some. So I searched for a recipe and "Drumsticks" were
called for. This is a vegetarian recipe, so I knew they weren't taking
"chicken".

I found the ingredient was for the "horse radish tree" or Moringa
pterygosperma and it seems to tolerate alkaline soils to ph 9!! and
tolerates drought and protects your liver and kills viruses.

Sound like a good soup ingredient to me! Can it be bought around
here? I love my "curry tree" that I ordered from NYC.

In article , wrote:

k/engineering/staff/Sutherland/moringa/general/general.htm

I had this great frozen TV dinner Indian soup called Sambhar and I
wanted to make some. So I searched for a recipe and "Drumsticks" were
called for. This is a vegetarian recipe, so I knew they weren't taking
"chicken".

I found the ingredient was for the "horse radish tree" or Moringa
pterygosperma and it seems to tolerate alkaline soils to ph 9!! and
tolerates drought and protects your liver and kills viruses.

Sound like a good soup ingredient to me! Can it be bought around
here? I love my "curry tree" that I ordered from NYC.


I do not know anything about the tree but the right "drumstick" for
sambhar can probably be found frozen at Indian Grocers. I know MGM on
Burnet definitely has them because I bought some 2-3 weeks back but have
not yet used it. If you have not eaten it before it is indeed a great
ingredient for Sambhar (as are eggplants). The outside is very tough so
you suck out the soft flesh and seeds though you throw the whole thing in
while cooking it. Sambhar is a south Indian dish and Dakshin is a good
cookbook for this kind of cuisine (available at the Austin public library
I think). I am constantly amazed at the more esoteric Asian food
ingredients that can easily be found as global trade explodes.

I do not know about the viability of frozen seed but you could germinate a
few if they withstand freezing.

Roland

Thanks, Roland. I appreciate the info!

I am headed to the Asian and Indian grocers now. I asked here because I
really enjoy growing my own ingredients when possible and this sounds like
such a neat tree, and environmentally sound as well. It has few demands, and
grows practically anywhere and even has fragrant flowers.

John D. are you listening..? Maybe we could buy a horseradish tree from
you. There is a large and growing Indian community here now.

I love my curry tree, and my kumquat bush, and lime bush. I know they are not
native, but as long as they are well adapted to our conditions and
non-invasive, I think having one is a great idea.

Afterall, okra is not native either... plus a thousand other edible crops
that we grow here for food.

I am having a bit trouble with my two tiny caper bushes. They are supposed to
be suited OK to our area, but I am struggling to keep them going. Can't
figure if I am not watering enough or too much, and if they like full sun or
not and if it is to chilly for them to be outside now.

Best to All -- Gae

Joe Doe wrote:

In article , wrote:

k/engineering/staff/Sutherland/moringa/general/general.htm

I had this great frozen TV dinner Indian soup called Sambhar and I
wanted to make some. So I searched for a recipe and "Drumsticks" were
called for. This is a vegetarian recipe, so I knew they weren't taking
"chicken".

I found the ingredient was for the "horse radish tree" or Moringa
pterygosperma and it seems to tolerate alkaline soils to ph 9!! and
tolerates drought and protects your liver and kills viruses.

Sound like a good soup ingredient to me! Can it be bought around
here? I love my "curry tree" that I ordered from NYC.

I do not know anything about the tree but the right "drumstick" for
sambhar can probably be found frozen at Indian Grocers. I know MGM on
Burnet definitely has them because I bought some 2-3 weeks back but have
not yet used it. If you have not eaten it before it is indeed a great
ingredient for Sambhar (as are eggplants). The outside is very tough so
you suck out the soft flesh and seeds though you throw the whole thing in
while cooking it. Sambhar is a south Indian dish and Dakshin is a good
cookbook for this kind of cuisine (available at the Austin public library
I think). I am constantly amazed at the more esoteric Asian food
ingredients that can easily be found as global trade explodes.

I do not know about the viability of frozen seed but you could germinate a
few if they withstand freezing.

Roland

On Sun, 05 Jan 2003 19:28:59 -0600, Gae Xavier wrote:

Is this the horse radish that can be bought in nurseries here in the
spring?

http://www.le.ac.uk/engineering/staf...al/general.htm

I had this great frozen TV dinner Indian soup called Sambhar and I
wanted to make some. So I searched for a recipe and "Drumsticks" were
called for. This is a vegetarian recipe, so I knew they weren't taking
"chicken".

I found the ingredient was for the "horse radish tree" or Moringa
pterygosperma and it seems to tolerate alkaline soils to ph 9!! and
tolerates drought and protects your liver and kills viruses.

Sound like a good soup ingredient to me! Can it be bought around
here? I love my "curry tree" that I ordered from NYC.

The horse radish that grows in N. America and is eaten is Armoracia
rusticana.

I very much doubt if the horse radish available in the nurseries is
the "muringa olefeira". While I have not seen the horse radish that is
sold in the nurseries, I have known and eaten drumsticks for many
years now and have searched many places here in vain for the drumstick
tree. I am actually growing a drumstick tree in my house now, I got
this tree from a friend who got it from Tanzania. For about 2-3 years
now I have had it in medium size pots. I had almost killed it two
years back in the winter when I didnt water regularly and exposed it
to the cold. But it came back quite well. This summer I transferred it
from a medium size pot to a huge pot (about 23 inches in diameter) and
the tree just loved it. It shot up from 3-4 feet to 10 feet in 5
months and I am now not able to take it into my garage on cold nights.
I have been wrapping it up on the colder nights and I intend to place
it in the ground early spring this year.

This is one of my favorite trees, its leaves look like the leaves of
the pride of Barbados, but the tree gets much bigger. It is not a very
strong tree and limbs break easily when somebody climbs it. So I am
kind of wondering how it will last the fierce winds here. I am going
to plant it so that my house is between the tree and NW, but I dont
know if it is going to help much. The fruit or vegetable of this tree,
the "drumsticks", are green in color and get about 1 foot in length
and each has maybe 10-15 seeds. It is an extremely delicious vegetable
and its leaves can also be eaten. Very tasty. Both the vegetable and
leaves are available in sub-continental grocery stores (mostly frozen,
but if you go to Dallas or Houston, you will get fresh ones also).

-kn

Gae Xavier wrote in message ...
Is this the horse radish that can be bought in nurseries here in the
spring?

http://www.le.ac.uk/engineering/staf...al/general.htm

I had this great frozen TV dinner Indian soup called Sambhar and I
wanted to make some. So I searched for a recipe and "Drumsticks" were
called for. This is a vegetarian recipe, so I knew they weren't taking
"chicken".

I found the ingredient was for the "horse radish tree" or Moringa
pterygosperma and it seems to tolerate alkaline soils to ph 9!! and
tolerates drought and protects your liver and kills viruses.

Sound like a good soup ingredient to me! Can it be bought around
here? I love my "curry tree" that I ordered from NYC.

Okay, how much do you want for a couple of seeds from your tree? :-)

Here are the instructions for germination and keeping the tree happy. You could
become the local supplier you know. ;-)

http://www.moringafarms.com/growing_it.htm

Best -- Gae

kn125 wrote:

I very much doubt if the horse radish available in the nurseries is
the "muringa olefeira". While I have not seen the horse radish that is
sold in the nurseries, I have known and eaten drumsticks for many
years now and have searched many places here in vain for the drumstick
tree. I am actually growing a drumstick tree in my house now, I got
this tree from a friend who got it from Tanzania. For about 2-3 years
now I have had it in medium size pots. I had almost killed it two
years back in the winter when I didnt water regularly and exposed it
to the cold. But it came back quite well. This summer I transferred it
from a medium size pot to a huge pot (about 23 inches in diameter) and
the tree just loved it. It shot up from 3-4 feet to 10 feet in 5
months and I am now not able to take it into my garage on cold nights.
I have been wrapping it up on the colder nights and I intend to place
it in the ground early spring this year.

This is one of my favorite trees, its leaves look like the leaves of
the pride of Barbados, but the tree gets much bigger. It is not a very
strong tree and limbs break easily when somebody climbs it. So I am
kind of wondering how it will last the fierce winds here. I am going
to plant it so that my house is between the tree and NW, but I dont
know if it is going to help much. The fruit or vegetable of this tree,
the "drumsticks", are green in color and get about 1 foot in length
and each has maybe 10-15 seeds. It is an extremely delicious vegetable
and its leaves can also be eaten. Very tasty. Both the vegetable and
leaves are available in sub-continental grocery stores (mostly frozen,
but if you go to Dallas or Houston, you will get fresh ones also).

-kn

Gae Xavier wrote in message ...
Is this the horse radish that can be bought in nurseries here in the
spring?

http://www.le.ac.uk/engineering/staf...al/general.htm

I had this great frozen TV dinner Indian soup called Sambhar and I
wanted to make some. So I searched for a recipe and "Drumsticks" were
called for. This is a vegetarian recipe, so I knew they weren't taking
"chicken".

I found the ingredient was for the "horse radish tree" or Moringa
pterygosperma and it seems to tolerate alkaline soils to ph 9!! and
tolerates drought and protects your liver and kills viruses.

Sound like a good soup ingredient to me! Can it be bought around
here? I love my "curry tree" that I ordered from NYC.

i personally wouldn't recommend the frozen ones if you are using it for
sambar. you can buy a can of them at fiesta. put it end towards the very end
though, otherwise it will get too mushy.

in article , kn125 at
wrote on 01/06/2003 05:24 PM:
....
and its leaves can also be eaten. Very tasty. Both the vegetable and
leaves are available in sub-continental grocery stores (mostly frozen,
but if you go to Dallas or Houston, you will get fresh ones also).

-kn

Gae Xavier wrote in message
...
I had this great frozen TV dinner Indian soup called Sambhar and I
wanted to make some. So I searched for a recipe and "Drumsticks" were
called for. This is a vegetarian recipe, so I knew they weren't taking
"chicken".

The more I read about this tree, the more I think it is a wonderful thing to
grow here and has such health benefits as well according to several
pharmaceutical web sources. Protects the liver from carbon tet and other bad
chems, is antiviral against herpes virus... on and on.

http://www.himalayahealthcare.com/he...h_moring.htm#f

It survives drought as well as wet conditions and accepts all sorts of climates
except hard freezes. And just look at it:

http://www.mediterraneangardensociet....oleifera.html

I want one!! Hopefully one of the seeds I have been promised will grow.



" wrote:

i personally wouldn't recommend the frozen ones if you are using it for
sambar. you can buy a can of them at fiesta. put it end towards the very end
though, otherwise it will get too mushy.

in article , kn125 at
wrote on 01/06/2003 05:24 PM:
...
and its leaves can also be eaten. Very tasty. Both the vegetable and
leaves are available in sub-continental grocery stores (mostly frozen,
but if you go to Dallas or Houston, you will get fresh ones also).

-kn

Gae Xavier wrote in message
...
I had this great frozen TV dinner Indian soup called Sambhar and I
wanted to make some. So I searched for a recipe and "Drumsticks" were
called for. This is a vegetarian recipe, so I knew they weren't taking
"chicken".

PS: Check out "The Miracle of Drumstick Leaves" lower down on this URL.

http://www.treesforlife.org/newsl/fal97/fal97.htm

What a salad!

Gae Xavier wrote:

The more I read about this tree, the more I think it is a wonderful thing to
grow here and has such health benefits as well according to several
pharmaceutical web sources. Protects the liver from carbon tet and other bad
chems, is antiviral against herpes virus... on and on.

http://www.himalayahealthcare.com/he...h_moring.htm#f

It survives drought as well as wet conditions and accepts all sorts of climates
except hard freezes. And just look at it:

http://www.mediterraneangardensociet....oleifera.html

I want one!! Hopefully one of the seeds I have been promised will grow.

" wrote:

i personally wouldn't recommend the frozen ones if you are using it for
sambar. you can buy a can of them at fiesta. put it end towards the very end
though, otherwise it will get too mushy.

in article , kn125 at
wrote on 01/06/2003 05:24 PM:
...
and its leaves can also be eaten. Very tasty. Both the vegetable and
leaves are available in sub-continental grocery stores (mostly frozen,
but if you go to Dallas or Houston, you will get fresh ones also).

-kn

Gae Xavier wrote in message
...
I had this great frozen TV dinner Indian soup called Sambhar and I
wanted to make some. So I searched for a recipe and "Drumsticks" were
called for. This is a vegetarian recipe, so I knew they weren't taking
"chicken".

Gae Xavier wrote:

PS: Check out "The Miracle of Drumstick Leaves" lower down on this URL.

http://www.treesforlife.org/newsl/fal97/fal97.htm

What a salad!

Ok! This tree will cure what ails ya! In addition, it will help you
gain weight/lose weight/become smarter/betterlooking/more attractive to
the opposite sex/ and win the lottery! You'll never go bald. It
slices, it dices, it will rotate your tires! Never needs sharpening!
Outstanding!--AND they are mild!


I ordered a packet of 8-10 seeds from
http://echonet.org/shopsite_sc/store/html/page35.html. If you wanted
to go bigtime, http://www.seedman.com/fruit.htm has a special offer;
50 seeds and a book for $19.95.

Keep us informed on sprouting the seeds you've got coming. If they
don't sprout, I may have an extra or two.

Dale

Dale,

Very funny! I am thrilled that you found URLs to order the seeds and the
book. I ordered all three varieties and the book. I love the Indian soup
they make with it, and salads can always use more nutrition, too... Thanks
for a place to buy the seeds. My search did not uncover them.

"Scientifically speaking, Moringa sounds like magic. It can rebuild weak
bones, enrich anemic blood
and enable a malnourished mother to nurse her starving baby. Doctors use it
to treat diabetes in
West Africa and high blood pressure in India .... And it's not only good for
you, it's delicious."

I think this may be one tree we can add to our ecological diversity in
Austin and really be rewarded by it.

Best -- Gae


"d.tilson" wrote:

Gae Xavier wrote:

PS: Check out "The Miracle of Drumstick Leaves" lower down on this URL.

http://www.treesforlife.org/newsl/fal97/fal97.htm

What a salad!

Ok! This tree will cure what ails ya! In addition, it will help you
gain weight/lose weight/become smarter/betterlooking/more attractive to
the opposite sex/ and win the lottery! You'll never go bald. It
slices, it dices, it will rotate your tires! Never needs sharpening!
Outstanding!--AND they are mild!

I ordered a packet of 8-10 seeds from
http://echonet.org/shopsite_sc/store/html/page35.html. If you wanted
to go bigtime, http://www.seedman.com/fruit.htm has a special offer;
50 seeds and a book for $19.95.

Keep us informed on sprouting the seeds you've got coming. If they
don't sprout, I may have an extra or two.

Dale

Boy, I have really struggled to get some Moringa trees growing.

Firstly, the seeds hated my trying to germinate them in my cool home
this past winter even with a light on them and few germinated and those
that did died. They need constantly wet and about 80-90 degree F to
germinate, I have decided.

Secondly, if you put more than one seed in a pot and then try to break
them out into individual pots, they go into shock and you can lose them.
In other words they do not tolerate having their roots disturbed as
babies.

Finally, I now have 3 African ones (none of the regular or the hybrid's
survived my efforts) growing in three 3" pots and I am going to need to
get some of that stuff John D. suggests to get those roots going good
with some of that "SuperThrive" or "Biozome" that he recommends.

These babies are really delicate to get going and I am dying to get my
first batch of "drumsticks" and my first salad out of them. I will have
to container grow them and bring them in like a Ficus tree for the
winter I reckon.

I am amazed that they tolerate both drought and boggy conditions since I
have had such a time getting 3 of them to 5" tall. :/

Dale, How are yours doing? Did they make it? Any tips on Moringa tree
adolescence?

Best to All -- Gae Xavier

in article , Gae Xavier at
wrote on 1/13/03 1:36 PM:

Dale,

Very funny! I am thrilled that you found URLs to order the seeds and
the
book. I ordered all three varieties and the book. I love the Indian
soup
they make with it, and salads can always use more nutrition, too...
Thanks
for a place to buy the seeds. My search did not uncover them.

"Scientifically speaking, Moringa sounds like magic. It can rebuild
weak
bones, enrich anemic blood
and enable a malnourished mother to nurse her starving baby. Doctors
use it
to treat diabetes in
West Africa and high blood pressure in India .... And it's not only
good for
you, it's delicious."

I think this may be one tree we can add to our ecological diversity in

Austin and really be rewarded by it.

Best -- Gae


"d.tilson" wrote:

Gae Xavier wrote:

PS: Check out "The Miracle of Drumstick Leaves" lower down on this
URL.

http://www.treesforlife.org/newsl/fal97/fal97.htm

What a salad!

Ok! This tree will cure what ails ya! In addition, it will help you

gain weight/lose weight/become smarter/betterlooking/more attractive
to
the opposite sex/ and win the lottery! You'll never go bald. It
slices, it dices, it will rotate your tires! Never needs sharpening!

Outstanding!--AND they are mild!

I ordered a packet of 8-10 seeds from
http://echonet.org/shopsite_sc/store/html/page35.html. If you
wanted
to go bigtime, http://www.seedman.com/fruit.htm has a special
offer;
50 seeds and a book for $19.95.

Keep us informed on sprouting the seeds you've got coming. If they
don't sprout, I may have an extra or two.

Dale

G a e X a v i e r wrote:

Boy, I have really struggled to get some Moringa trees growing.

Firstly, the seeds hated my trying to germinate them in my cool home
this past winter even with a light on them and few germinated and those
that did died. They need constantly wet and about 80-90 degree F to
germinate, I have decided.

Secondly, if you put more than one seed in a pot and then try to break
them out into individual pots, they go into shock and you can lose them.
In other words they do not tolerate having their roots disturbed as
babies.

Finally, I now have 3 African ones (none of the regular or the hybrid's
survived my efforts) growing in three 3" pots and I am going to need to
get some of that stuff John D. suggests to get those roots going good
with some of that "SuperThrive" or "Biozome" that he recommends.

These babies are really delicate to get going and I am dying to get my
first batch of "drumsticks" and my first salad out of them. I will have
to container grow them and bring them in like a Ficus tree for the
winter I reckon.

I am amazed that they tolerate both drought and boggy conditions since I
have had such a time getting 3 of them to 5" tall. :/

Dale, How are yours doing? Did they make it? Any tips on Moringa tree
adolescence?

Best to All -- Gae Xavier

Hi, Gae, I was just wondering about your trees over the weekend.

I tried to sprout two different batches; *none* of them seemed to even
break dormancy and send out a shoot. (Dug 'em up to check after I gave
up on them.)

Oh, well. Another learning experience. At least it was cheap. ;-)

Dale

DT wrote:

G a e X a v i e r wrote:

Boy, I have really struggled to get some Moringa trees growing.

Firstly, the seeds hated my trying to germinate them in my cool home
this past winter even with a light on them and few germinated and those
that did died. They need constantly wet and about 80-90 degree F to
germinate, I have decided.

Secondly, if you put more than one seed in a pot and then try to break
them out into individual pots, they go into shock and you can lose them.
In other words they do not tolerate having their roots disturbed as
babies.

Finally, I now have 3 African ones (none of the regular or the hybrid's
survived my efforts) growing in three 3" pots and I am going to need to
get some of that stuff John D. suggests to get those roots going good
with some of that "SuperThrive" or "Biozome" that he recommends.

These babies are really delicate to get going and I am dying to get my
first batch of "drumsticks" and my first salad out of them. I will have
to container grow them and bring them in like a Ficus tree for the
winter I reckon.

I am amazed that they tolerate both drought and boggy conditions since I
have had such a time getting 3 of them to 5" tall. :/

Dale, How are yours doing? Did they make it? Any tips on Moringa tree
adolescence?

Best to All -- Gae Xavier

Hi, Gae, I was just wondering about your trees over the weekend.

I tried to sprout two different batches; *none* of them seemed to even
break dormancy and send out a shoot. (Dug 'em up to check after I gave
up on them.)

Oh, well. Another learning experience. At least it was cheap. ;-)

Dale

Yep, that was what happened to me too. I tried again finally with the few
seeds I had left in June and on the porch at 80 degrees most of the day and
sopping wet, some finally sprouted.

I now have three 5" plants in 3 separate containers but I want to get a good
strong root system on them before I move them to bigger containers. That is
why I was thinking about those two products that John D. recommended, but
which one? Superthrive or Biozone for these precious babies.

I am treating them like gold at this point. But the secret to germination is
heat and constantly wet.

The people at the Indian grocery were amazed that I had them. I could
probably become the local supplier if I can get this Drumstick (Moringa)
tree thing down to a science.

Best to You -- Gae

Hi all,

I started half a dozen or so in my green house in late Jan/early Feb.
They germinated within 5 to 7 days with temp's above 65F. I kept
them in the green house till March 1st and they had reached 8 to 10
inches in height by then. Planted out they didn't grow much till about the
first of April and now are between 3 and 6 ft tall. No sign of flowers tho'
I didn't fertilize them in pots or since planting out since they are
supposed to prefer poorer soils. I ate the root of one when it topped 24"
and thought it tasted more like a radish than anything else.

HTH
Chris

"G a e X a v i e r" wrote in message ...
Boy, I have really struggled to get some Moringa trees growing.

Firstly, the seeds hated my trying to germinate them in my cool home
this past winter even with a light on them and few germinated and those
that did died. They need constantly wet and about 80-90 degree F to
germinate, I have decided.

Secondly, if you put more than one seed in a pot and then try to break
them out into individual pots, they go into shock and you can lose them.
In other words they do not tolerate having their roots disturbed as
babies.

Finally, I now have 3 African ones (none of the regular or the hybrid's
survived my efforts) growing in three 3" pots and I am going to need to
get some of that stuff John D. suggests to get those roots going good
with some of that "SuperThrive" or "Biozome" that he recommends.

These babies are really delicate to get going and I am dying to get my
first batch of "drumsticks" and my first salad out of them. I will have
to container grow them and bring them in like a Ficus tree for the
winter I reckon.

I am amazed that they tolerate both drought and boggy conditions since I
have had such a time getting 3 of them to 5" tall. :/

Dale, How are yours doing? Did they make it? Any tips on Moringa tree
adolescence?

Best to All -- Gae Xavier

in article , Gae Xavier at
wrote on 1/13/03 1:36 PM:

Dale,

Very funny! I am thrilled that you found URLs to order the seeds and
the
book. I ordered all three varieties and the book. I love the Indian
soup
they make with it, and salads can always use more nutrition, too...
Thanks
for a place to buy the seeds. My search did not uncover them.

"Scientifically speaking, Moringa sounds like magic. It can rebuild
weak
bones, enrich anemic blood
and enable a malnourished mother to nurse her starving baby. Doctors
use it
to treat diabetes in
West Africa and high blood pressure in India .... And it's not only
good for
you, it's delicious."

I think this may be one tree we can add to our ecological diversity in

Austin and really be rewarded by it.

Best -- Gae


"d.tilson" wrote:

Gae Xavier wrote:

PS: Check out "The Miracle of Drumstick Leaves" lower down on this
URL.

http://www.treesforlife.org/newsl/fal97/fal97.htm

What a salad!

Ok! This tree will cure what ails ya! In addition, it will help you

gain weight/lose weight/become smarter/betterlooking/more attractive
to
the opposite sex/ and win the lottery! You'll never go bald. It
slices, it dices, it will rotate your tires! Never needs sharpening!

Outstanding!--AND they are mild!

I ordered a packet of 8-10 seeds from
http://echonet.org/shopsite_sc/store/html/page35.html. If you
wanted
to go bigtime, http://www.seedman.com/fruit.htm has a special
offer;
50 seeds and a book for $19.95.

Keep us informed on sprouting the seeds you've got coming. If they
don't sprout, I may have an extra or two.

Dale