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poor plant growth...San Antonio
Planted several things in MiracleGro potting soil. My sunflowers got a
whopping 18". My indian corn got maybe 24". My squash got 10". My Four O'Clocks are about 8 or 10". Bought a start of Sea Holly - it's about 5". Most had a sickly pale green/yellowish color. What is going on? In Oregon I just planted those things in the sandy soil, never fertilized, just watered. The sunflowers were 6 or 7 feet tall, the indian corn got about the same, my Four O'Clocks were about 3' and bushy....well, you get the idea. Why is nothing growing well here? Is there something I should have been doing? Oh, and the poor tomato plant...too sad to tell! I thought the store-bought potting soil would be the right thing to use. Advice? |
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You don't say how you prepared your planting area. Did you just work the
potting soil in or are you working with containers. Depending on where you are in San Antonio, you probably don't have very good soil to begin with unless you are on the South side of town. Any other area will need a whole lot more than a couple bags of potting soil. Again depending on your particular area you may need to resort to raised beds to be successful. Building a bed and then bringing in prepared soil from one of the commercial companies like Gardenville or Fertile Gardens. If you don't want to do that then you need to use a lot of compost in your planting area, work it in and repeat every year for a couple of years. The more the better, you can't have too much compost. I would also recommend the use of Medina's Soil Activator, Texas green sand-it is an iron supplement, a good organic fertilizer, Medina has one, Texas Tea, Greensense (if you shop the military stores). Regular use of Hasta Grow. No Miracle grow. Lots of mulch and a lot of water. Maybe you have not given your plants enough water. If you dig down a bit you may find that the soil is powder dry, that's what I find and I own about 90% of SAWS. We have only had 6" of rain in the last 6 months the sub soil is dry. I have some fire bush the have been in the ground several years that in a "normal" year would get 6-7 feet tall are only 3 feet tall this year because of the lack of water. If you are interested in learning more about the local area and it's gardening problems and solutions check out http://www.gardeningvolunteers.org/ and give a listen to Bob Webster on AM 550 every Sat and Sun. Good Luck Cliff "Linda" wrote in message ... Planted several things in Miracle potting soil. My sunflowers got a whopping 18". My indian corn got maybe 24". My squash got 10". My Four O'Clocks are about 8 or 10". Bought a start of Sea Holly - it's about 5". Most had a sickly pale green/yellowish color. What is going on? In Oregon I just planted those things in the sandy soil, never fertilized, just watered. The sunflowers were 6 or 7 feet tall, the indian corn got about the same, my Four O'Clocks were about 3' and bushy....well, you get the idea. Why is nothing growing well here? Is there something I should have been doing? Oh, and the poor tomato plant...too sad to tell! I thought the store-bought potting soil would be the right thing to use. Advice? |
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Thanks for your response. I'm sorry I was not more specific. All those
things were planted in large pots - nothing but Miracle Gro potting soil. Pretty sure I kept things watered enough. Thank you for all your instructions on how to prepare flower beds here. The soil here (northeast San Antonio) is more like rock! Yucky beige/tan hard clay-like stuff. I don't know how the stuff that passes for grass hereabouts grows in it ;-) Later in your response you said NOT to use Miracle Gro fertilizer? Isn't it the good stuff? Or is that just the publicity hype? Thanks again. |
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Linda wrote:
Thanks for your response. I'm sorry I was not more specific. All those things were planted in large pots - nothing but Miracle Gro potting You want to grow corn and sunflowers in pots? Not gonna happen! Later in your response you said NOT to use Miracle Gro fertilizer? Isn't it the good stuff? Or is that just the publicity hype? Miracle Gro is for clueless suburban weekend gardeners who don't know better. -- Victor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam he Email me he |
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"Victor Martinez" wrote in message
... Linda wrote: Thanks for your response. I'm sorry I was not more specific. All those things were planted in large pots - nothing but Miracle Gro potting You want to grow corn and sunflowers in pots? Not gonna happen! Of course you can! Later in your response you said NOT to use Miracle Gro fertilizer? Isn't it the good stuff? Or is that just the publicity hype? Miracle Gro is for clueless suburban weekend gardeners who don't know better. What a dig. (let the puns begin) Plenty of urban casual gardeners out there being "clueless" too. You've not been helpful to Linda here but one likes to know you have maintained your superior quality. -- Catbird "Oh-oh, her schizo is about to phrenia" - Bob Hope |
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Catbird wrote:
You want to grow corn and sunflowers in pots? Not gonna happen! Of course you can! Really? One plant per pot? Considering corn needs spacing of say, 12 inches? How about sunflowers? Depending on the variety it can be 8 inches or more. Not really practical for pots. What a dig. (let the puns begin) Plenty of urban casual gardeners out there being "clueless" too. True. You've not been helpful to Linda here but one likes to know you have maintained your superior quality. I don't see you posting any helpful information. I did. You might not have liked the tone of my message, but I did provide information. What's your contribution? -- Victor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam he Email me he |
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Catbird et al -
I also have noticed the condescending tone of some of Victor Martinez' posts over the years. It always disappoints me because I feel it throws a wet blanket on the generous give and take of this forum. It makes newbies afraid to ask questions for fear of being ridiculed. Gardening in Central Texas is unlike gardening in any other part of the country, and it takes specific information to succeed, but I admit that at times, the sometimes belittling responses from this poster has deterred me from participating. Invariably, when somebody (like you) calls him on it, he responds defensively, and he continues with more of the same. Being from the remote north, I struggle with trying to keep plants alive through the heat and hail and frost and crappy soil that is Central Texas. And thankfully, snotty superiority is not typical of gardeners, who are for the most part very kind, generous and helpful to all. "Catbird" wrote in message ... "Victor Martinez" wrote in message ... Linda wrote: Thanks for your response. I'm sorry I was not more specific. All those things were planted in large pots - nothing but Miracle Gro potting You want to grow corn and sunflowers in pots? Not gonna happen! Of course you can! Later in your response you said NOT to use Miracle Gro fertilizer? Isn't it the good stuff? Or is that just the publicity hype? Miracle Gro is for clueless suburban weekend gardeners who don't know better. What a dig. (let the puns begin) Plenty of urban casual gardeners out there being "clueless" too. You've not been helpful to Linda here but one likes to know you have maintained your superior quality. -- Catbird "Oh-oh, her schizo is about to phrenia" - Bob Hope "Catbird" wrote in message ... "Victor Martinez" wrote in message ... Linda wrote: Thanks for your response. I'm sorry I was not more specific. All those things were planted in large pots - nothing but Miracle Gro potting You want to grow corn and sunflowers in pots? Not gonna happen! Of course you can! Later in your response you said NOT to use Miracle Gro fertilizer? Isn't it the good stuff? Or is that just the publicity hype? Miracle Gro is for clueless suburban weekend gardeners who don't know better. What a dig. (let the puns begin) Plenty of urban casual gardeners out there being "clueless" too. You've not been helpful to Linda here but one likes to know you have maintained your superior quality. -- Catbird "Oh-oh, her schizo is about to phrenia" - Bob Hope |
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Ditto.
"Not Nasty" wrote in message . com... Catbird et al - I also have noticed the condescending tone of some of Victor Martinez' posts over the years. It always disappoints me because I feel it throws a wet blanket on the generous give and take of this forum. It makes newbie's afraid to ask questions for fear of being ridiculed. Gardening in Central Texas is unlike gardening in any other part of the country, and it takes specific information to succeed, but I admit that at times, the sometimes belittling responses from this poster has deterred me from participating. Invariably, when somebody (like you) calls him on it, he responds defensively, and he continues with more of the same. Being from the remote north, I struggle with trying to keep plants alive through the heat and hail and frost and crappy soil that is Central Texas. And thankfully, snotty superiority is not typical of gardeners, who are for the most part very kind, generous and helpful to all. "Catbird" wrote in message ... "Victor Martinez" wrote in message ... Linda wrote: Thanks for your response. I'm sorry I was not more specific. All those things were planted in large pots - nothing but Miracle Gro potting You want to grow corn and sunflowers in pots? Not gonna happen! Of course you can! Later in your response you said NOT to use Miracle Gro fertilizer? Isn't it the good stuff? Or is that just the publicity hype? Miracle Gro is for clueless suburban weekend gardeners who don't know better. What a dig. (let the puns begin) Plenty of urban casual gardeners out there being "clueless" too. You've not been helpful to Linda here but one likes to know you have maintained your superior quality. -- Catbird "Oh-oh, her schizo is about to phrenia" - Bob Hope "Catbird" wrote in message ... "Victor Martinez" wrote in message ... Linda wrote: Thanks for your response. I'm sorry I was not more specific. All those things were planted in large pots - nothing but Miracle Gro potting You want to grow corn and sunflowers in pots? Not gonna happen! Of course you can! Later in your response you said NOT to use Miracle Gro fertilizer? Isn't it the good stuff? Or is that just the publicity hype? Miracle Gro is for clueless suburban weekend gardeners who don't know better. What a dig. (let the puns begin) Plenty of urban casual gardeners out there being "clueless" too. You've not been helpful to Linda here but one likes to know you have maintained your superior quality. -- Catbird "Oh-oh, her schizo is about to phrenia" - Bob Hope |
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Planted several things in MiracleGro
potting soil. potting soil?? Did you use MG potting soil or MG garden soil? Dave S(Texas) |
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Well, I have to disagree. I have always found Victor to be helpful, if
a bit terse at times. Remember that this is the internet and you are not in front of someone. Bad day at work, but just wanted to make sure he got you the info, or whatever. Any number of reasons for a short reply. His information is always well seasoned if a bit peppery for your taste. Remember that this is Texas and we like a bit of heat. :-) Welcome to Texas ya'll, we don't hate Yankees, but sometimes we have a little fun with them. Settle down and enjoy the heat and you'll probably find that we don't bite, but we might bark. Actually a pretty friendly place. Cea In article , Not Nasty wrote: Catbird et al - I also have noticed the condescending tone of some of Victor Martinez' posts over the years. It always disappoints me because I feel it throws a wet blanket on the generous give and take of this forum. It makes newbies afraid to ask questions for fear of being ridiculed. Gardening in Central Texas is unlike gardening in any other part of the country, and it takes specific information to succeed, but I admit that at times, the sometimes belittling responses from this poster has deterred me from participating. Invariably, when somebody (like you) calls him on it, he responds defensively, and he continues with more of the same. Being from the remote north, I struggle with trying to keep plants alive through the heat and hail and frost and crappy soil that is Central Texas. And thankfully, snotty superiority is not typical of gardeners, who are for the most part very kind, generous and helpful to all. "Catbird" wrote in message ... "Victor Martinez" wrote in message ... Linda wrote: Thanks for your response. I'm sorry I was not more specific. All those things were planted in large pots - nothing but Miracle Gro potting You want to grow corn and sunflowers in pots? Not gonna happen! Of course you can! Later in your response you said NOT to use Miracle Gro fertilizer? Isn't it the good stuff? Or is that just the publicity hype? Miracle Gro is for clueless suburban weekend gardeners who don't know better. What a dig. (let the puns begin) Plenty of urban casual gardeners out there being "clueless" too. You've not been helpful to Linda here but one likes to know you have maintained your superior quality. -- Catbird "Oh-oh, her schizo is about to phrenia" - Bob Hope "Catbird" wrote in message ... "Victor Martinez" wrote in message ... Linda wrote: Thanks for your response. I'm sorry I was not more specific. All those things were planted in large pots - nothing but Miracle Gro potting You want to grow corn and sunflowers in pots? Not gonna happen! Of course you can! Later in your response you said NOT to use Miracle Gro fertilizer? Isn't it the good stuff? Or is that just the publicity hype? Miracle Gro is for clueless suburban weekend gardeners who don't know better. What a dig. (let the puns begin) Plenty of urban casual gardeners out there being "clueless" too. You've not been helpful to Linda here but one likes to know you have maintained your superior quality. -- Catbird "Oh-oh, her schizo is about to phrenia" - Bob Hope |
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Celeste Evans wrote:
Well, I have to disagree. I have always found Victor to be helpful, if a bit terse at times. Remember that this is the internet and you are not in front of someone. Bad day at work, but just wanted to make sure he got you the info, or whatever. Any number of reasons for a short reply. His information is always well seasoned if a bit peppery for your taste. Remember that this is Texas and we like a bit of heat. :-) Welcome to Texas ya'll, we don't hate Yankees, but sometimes we have a little fun with them. Settle down and enjoy the heat and you'll probably find that we don't bite, but we might bark. Actually a pretty friendly place. Cea Cea, Granted, Victor is a bit mellower than he was, say, on alt.food.mexican-cooking, when he was a grad student from Mexico at UT Austin (Have you read the way he treated people then?), but please don't generalize about people who live here. We're not all one "we." It isn't necessary to be nasty to people, or even to have "a little fun with them" just because they don't happen to agree with the way you think, and because they don't happen to live in Texas. David in San Antonio |
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I was just telling this to my New York mom who is considering moving
down here. It's just more polite, friendly, and respectful in Texas then it was up north in NYC and Long Island. I'll never move back there. On Tue, 30 May 2006 19:03:40 GMT, Celeste Evans wrote: Well, I have to disagree. I have always found Victor to be helpful, if a bit terse at times. Remember that this is the internet and you are not in front of someone. Bad day at work, but just wanted to make sure he got you the info, or whatever. Any number of reasons for a short reply. His information is always well seasoned if a bit peppery for your taste. Remember that this is Texas and we like a bit of heat. :-) Welcome to Texas ya'll, we don't hate Yankees, but sometimes we have a little fun with them. Settle down and enjoy the heat and you'll probably find that we don't bite, but we might bark. Actually a pretty friendly place. Cea In article , Not Nasty wrote: Catbird et al - I also have noticed the condescending tone of some of Victor Martinez' posts over the years. It always disappoints me because I feel it throws a wet blanket on the generous give and take of this forum. It makes newbies afraid to ask questions for fear of being ridiculed. Gardening in Central Texas is unlike gardening in any other part of the country, and it takes specific information to succeed, but I admit that at times, the sometimes belittling responses from this poster has deterred me from participating. Invariably, when somebody (like you) calls him on it, he responds defensively, and he continues with more of the same. Being from the remote north, I struggle with trying to keep plants alive through the heat and hail and frost and crappy soil that is Central Texas. And thankfully, snotty superiority is not typical of gardeners, who are for the most part very kind, generous and helpful to all. "Catbird" wrote in message ... "Victor Martinez" wrote in message ... Linda wrote: Thanks for your response. I'm sorry I was not more specific. All those things were planted in large pots - nothing but Miracle Gro potting You want to grow corn and sunflowers in pots? Not gonna happen! Of course you can! Later in your response you said NOT to use Miracle Gro fertilizer? Isn't it the good stuff? Or is that just the publicity hype? Miracle Gro is for clueless suburban weekend gardeners who don't know better. What a dig. (let the puns begin) Plenty of urban casual gardeners out there being "clueless" too. You've not been helpful to Linda here but one likes to know you have maintained your superior quality. -- Catbird "Oh-oh, her schizo is about to phrenia" - Bob Hope "Catbird" wrote in message ... "Victor Martinez" wrote in message ... Linda wrote: Thanks for your response. I'm sorry I was not more specific. All those things were planted in large pots - nothing but Miracle Gro potting You want to grow corn and sunflowers in pots? Not gonna happen! Of course you can! Later in your response you said NOT to use Miracle Gro fertilizer? Isn't it the good stuff? Or is that just the publicity hype? Miracle Gro is for clueless suburban weekend gardeners who don't know better. What a dig. (let the puns begin) Plenty of urban casual gardeners out there being "clueless" too. You've not been helpful to Linda here but one likes to know you have maintained your superior quality. -- Catbird "Oh-oh, her schizo is about to phrenia" - Bob Hope |
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Celeste Evans wrote:
Well, I have to disagree. I have always found Victor to be helpful, if a bit terse at times. Remember that this is the internet and you are Thank you Celeste, for your kind comment. I usually do not reply to anonymous attacks like the one you responded to. I figured if people do not have the decency to sign their name when attacking someone, then I should not waste my time with them. In any case, I did to a quick search on google and I found that the overwhelming majority of my messages on this group over the past 3-4 years have been quite friendly in tone. With the notable exception of two threads (one about what is and isn't a fruit, another one about thermodynamics) in which my more aggressive traits surfaced. In any case, the beauty of usenet is that one can freely choose who to read and who to ignore. Nobody is forcing anyone to read anyone's replies, so we can all be happy. Thanks for reading! -- Victor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam he Email me he |
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On Tue, 30 May 2006 17:56:52 -0500, Victor Martinez
wrote: Celeste Evans wrote: Well, I have to disagree. I have always found Victor to be helpful, if a bit terse at times. Remember that this is the internet and you are Thank you Celeste, for your kind comment. I usually do not reply to anonymous attacks like the one you responded to. I figured if people do not have the decency to sign their name when attacking someone, then I should not waste my time with them. In any case, I did to a quick search on google and I found that the overwhelming majority of my messages on this group over the past 3-4 years have been quite friendly in tone. With the notable exception of two threads (one about what is and isn't a fruit, another one about thermodynamics) in which my more aggressive traits surfaced. In any case, the beauty of usenet is that one can freely choose who to read and who to ignore. Nobody is forcing anyone to read anyone's replies, so we can all be happy. Thanks for reading! Eh, I'm sorry you went to the trouble of googling you posts. The funny part of someone attacking you for being hostile, is the hostility they spew while accusing you! That's one that always gets me laughing. You have always been very helpful, Victor. Now I know never to discuss thermodynamics or fruit/vegetable with you |
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