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Grow more plants and help clean up the air!
Another thing you could do is leave your car at home and take the bus.

A new Yahoo group has been formed for people who use Capital Metro busses in
Austin Texas called http://groups.yahoo.com/group/busridersaustin/

It is meant for discussion, meeting and advocacy of issues important to
Austinites who rely on public transit.

I did search around before I started it but didn't find anything like this
group.

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"Alan C Denman" wrote in message
...
Grow more plants and help clean up the air!

Plants normally grown in the garden don't clean up the air. They produce an
insignificant amount of oxygen. Would be interested in the effect of
substantial amount of carbon monoxide on such plants.


Another thing you could do is leave your car at home and take the bus.


No bus goes through west of Wimberley.

A new Yahoo group has been formed for people who use Capital Metro busses
in Austin Texas called http://groups.yahoo.com/group/busridersaustin/

It is meant for discussion, meeting and advocacy of issues important to
Austinites who rely on public transit.

I did search around before I started it but didn't find anything like this
group.



Okay, I'll use that as a platform. I have an older VW, runs great 33
average mpg. VW's high beam indicator in dash failed, not light bulb.
Found to be internal to the dash electronics. Failed state safety
inspection as a result. Took me a few months to find a replacement. In the
meantime, I had to drive a 2001 Dodge V6 truck that get about 1/2 the mpg as
result, worse in city driving. Did I say that 290 West between Loop 1 and
William Cannon is using half of the gasoline consumed by all the cars in
Austin? Don't believe, just go there at anytime during normal commuter
traffic times afternoon/evening. Last time I go to Austin for part of my
VW.

"Funny" thing about it is that I can obviously see the difference between my
normal headlights and high beams. Its very obvious. I don't use well lit
roads which aids to that observation. Oncoming traffic is quick to note my
high beams by using theirs as well.

At least I was "safe" not driving the VW, I guess... and making much more
CO/CO2 in the meantime driving the truck.

I wouldn't use and depend on a timely schedule a bus that's managed by any
governmental organization or a subcontractor to same. Timeliness of
personal transport don't rhyme with any governmental organization.
Privatized rail makes more sense, but that requires something like some
substantial walking if not driving at all and parking for all those CO
producers if driving to a parking area.

What does make a whole lotta sense is to be employed within some reasonable
distance from the home where a CO producing automobile or bus is not
required. Same for shopping. Naw, that makes too much sense. Let's keep
dribbling slow solutions at a big problem. Keep doing things the same old
way with slow, slow changes along the way.

Not ready for it. Your job, your home, your way of life would be
drastically changed? Guess what, the alternative later down the road will
do alot more to change that.

Yep, ride the bus... What a crock.
Dave

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"Dave" wrote in message
nk.net...
"Alan C Denman" wrote in message
...
Grow more plants and help clean up the air!

Plants normally grown in the garden don't clean up the air. They produce
an
insignificant amount of oxygen. Would be interested in the effect of
substantial amount of carbon monoxide on such plants.


Another thing you could do is leave your car at home and take the bus.


No bus goes through west of Wimberley.

A new Yahoo group has been formed for people who use Capital Metro
busses
in Austin Texas called http://groups.yahoo.com/group/busridersaustin/

It is meant for discussion, meeting and advocacy of issues important to
Austinites who rely on public transit.

I did search around before I started it but didn't find anything like
this
group.



Okay, I'll use that as a platform. I have an older VW, runs great 33
average mpg. VW's high beam indicator in dash failed, not light bulb.
Found to be internal to the dash electronics. Failed state safety
inspection as a result. Took me a few months to find a replacement. In
the
meantime, I had to drive a 2001 Dodge V6 truck that get about 1/2 the mpg
as
result, worse in city driving. Did I say that 290 West between Loop 1 and
William Cannon is using half of the gasoline consumed by all the cars in
Austin? Don't believe, just go there at anytime during normal commuter
traffic times afternoon/evening. Last time I go to Austin for part of my
VW.

"Funny" thing about it is that I can obviously see the difference between
my
normal headlights and high beams. Its very obvious. I don't use well lit
roads which aids to that observation. Oncoming traffic is quick to note
my
high beams by using theirs as well.

At least I was "safe" not driving the VW, I guess... and making much more
CO/CO2 in the meantime driving the truck.

I wouldn't use and depend on a timely schedule a bus that's managed by any
governmental organization or a subcontractor to same. Timeliness of
personal transport don't rhyme with any governmental organization.
Privatized rail makes more sense,

sorry Dave, not where I come from. Here in New Zealand privatisation of the
rail network & rail operations was a near disaster. A series of owners, both
rapacious merchant finance type asset strippers and US rail operators drove
down the condition of both our rail network and rolling stock. The govt
actually bought back the rail and has invested significant money in it and
will continue to do so through electrification and double tracking, $600
million NZ over the next few years. New rolling stock for city public
transport is also highly central govt/local govt funded. Rail as a feasible,
and successful, solution to road congestion and human enduced climactic
change is heavily dependent on government intervention.

rob

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On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:32:27 -0500, "Alan C Denman"
wrote:

Grow more plants and help clean up the air!
Another thing you could do is leave your car at home and take the bus.

A new Yahoo group has been formed for people who use Capital Metro busses in
Austin Texas called http://groups.yahoo.com/group/busridersaustin/

It is meant for discussion, meeting and advocacy of issues important to
Austinites who rely on public transit.

I did search around before I started it but didn't find anything like this
group.


We don't have transportation up in Round Rock other than by car. Yes,
I have a huge Expedition. No, I wasn't thinking about the environment
when I bought it. If I sell it to buy a VW or Mini Cooper, someone
else will still be driving the Expedition. I'll drive it till it
drops then buy another one. My next, hopefully, will be more
advanced MPG Hybrid.

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"George.com" wrote in message
...

"Dave" wrote in message
nk.net...
"Alan C Denman" wrote in message
...
Grow more plants and help clean up the air!

Plants normally grown in the garden don't clean up the air. They produce
an
insignificant amount of oxygen. Would be interested in the effect of
substantial amount of carbon monoxide on such plants.


Another thing you could do is leave your car at home and take the bus.


No bus goes through west of Wimberley.

A new Yahoo group has been formed for people who use Capital Metro
busses
in Austin Texas called http://groups.yahoo.com/group/busridersaustin/

It is meant for discussion, meeting and advocacy of issues important to
Austinites who rely on public transit.

I did search around before I started it but didn't find anything like
this
group.



Okay, I'll use that as a platform. I have an older VW, runs great 33
average mpg. VW's high beam indicator in dash failed, not light bulb.
Found to be internal to the dash electronics. Failed state safety
inspection as a result. Took me a few months to find a replacement. In
the
meantime, I had to drive a 2001 Dodge V6 truck that get about 1/2 the mpg
as
result, worse in city driving. Did I say that 290 West between Loop 1
and
William Cannon is using half of the gasoline consumed by all the cars in
Austin? Don't believe, just go there at anytime during normal commuter
traffic times afternoon/evening. Last time I go to Austin for part of my
VW.

"Funny" thing about it is that I can obviously see the difference between
my
normal headlights and high beams. Its very obvious. I don't use well
lit
roads which aids to that observation. Oncoming traffic is quick to note
my
high beams by using theirs as well.

At least I was "safe" not driving the VW, I guess... and making much
more
CO/CO2 in the meantime driving the truck.

I wouldn't use and depend on a timely schedule a bus that's managed by
any
governmental organization or a subcontractor to same. Timeliness of
personal transport don't rhyme with any governmental organization.
Privatized rail makes more sense,

sorry Dave, not where I come from. Here in New Zealand privatisation of
the
rail network & rail operations was a near disaster. A series of owners,
both
rapacious merchant finance type asset strippers and US rail operators
drove
down the condition of both our rail network and rolling stock. The govt
actually bought back the rail and has invested significant money in it and
will continue to do so through electrification and double tracking, $600
million NZ over the next few years. New rolling stock for city public
transport is also highly central govt/local govt funded. Rail as a
feasible,
and successful, solution to road congestion and human enduced climactic
change is heavily dependent on government intervention.

rob



Yup, you're right. Any organization or persons that own rail are bound to
abuse it. History of privately owned, and lately, share owned
(corporations) industries in the states has similar history. There's no
solution. Let's all die in desperation, destitution, and denial. Leave
that legacy to our children and grandchildren. What a crock.
Dave

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"jangchub" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:32:27 -0500, "Alan C Denman"
wrote:

Grow more plants and help clean up the air!
Another thing you could do is leave your car at home and take the bus.

A new Yahoo group has been formed for people who use Capital Metro busses
in
Austin Texas called http://groups.yahoo.com/group/busridersaustin/

It is meant for discussion, meeting and advocacy of issues important to
Austinites who rely on public transit.

I did search around before I started it but didn't find anything like this
group.


We don't have transportation up in Round Rock other than by car. Yes,
I have a huge Expedition. No, I wasn't thinking about the environment
when I bought it. If I sell it to buy a VW or Mini Cooper, someone
else will still be driving the Expedition. I'll drive it till it
drops then buy another one. My next, hopefully, will be more
advanced MPG Hybrid.

Current VWs are not so good with mpg, and even worse with dependability.
Warranty has gone downhill as well. Females are (all) resource hogs by
nature. They can't help it. No apology expected for such behavior.
Dave

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"Dave" wrote in message
hlink.net...
"George.com" wrote in message
...

"Dave" wrote in message
nk.net...
"Alan C Denman" wrote in message
...
Grow more plants and help clean up the air!

Plants normally grown in the garden don't clean up the air. They
produce
an
insignificant amount of oxygen. Would be interested in the effect of
substantial amount of carbon monoxide on such plants.


Another thing you could do is leave your car at home and take the
bus.


No bus goes through west of Wimberley.

A new Yahoo group has been formed for people who use Capital Metro
busses
in Austin Texas called http://groups.yahoo.com/group/busridersaustin/

It is meant for discussion, meeting and advocacy of issues important
to
Austinites who rely on public transit.

I did search around before I started it but didn't find anything like
this
group.



Okay, I'll use that as a platform. I have an older VW, runs great 33
average mpg. VW's high beam indicator in dash failed, not light bulb.
Found to be internal to the dash electronics. Failed state safety
inspection as a result. Took me a few months to find a replacement.
In
the
meantime, I had to drive a 2001 Dodge V6 truck that get about 1/2 the
mpg
as
result, worse in city driving. Did I say that 290 West between Loop 1
and
William Cannon is using half of the gasoline consumed by all the cars
in
Austin? Don't believe, just go there at anytime during normal commuter
traffic times afternoon/evening. Last time I go to Austin for part of
my
VW.

"Funny" thing about it is that I can obviously see the difference
between
my
normal headlights and high beams. Its very obvious. I don't use well
lit
roads which aids to that observation. Oncoming traffic is quick to
note
my
high beams by using theirs as well.

At least I was "safe" not driving the VW, I guess... and making much
more
CO/CO2 in the meantime driving the truck.

I wouldn't use and depend on a timely schedule a bus that's managed by
any
governmental organization or a subcontractor to same. Timeliness of
personal transport don't rhyme with any governmental organization.
Privatized rail makes more sense,

sorry Dave, not where I come from. Here in New Zealand privatisation of
the
rail network & rail operations was a near disaster. A series of owners,
both
rapacious merchant finance type asset strippers and US rail operators
drove
down the condition of both our rail network and rolling stock. The govt
actually bought back the rail and has invested significant money in it
and
will continue to do so through electrification and double tracking, $600
million NZ over the next few years. New rolling stock for city public
transport is also highly central govt/local govt funded. Rail as a
feasible,
and successful, solution to road congestion and human enduced climactic
change is heavily dependent on government intervention.

rob

Yup, you're right. Any organization or persons that own rail are bound to
abuse it. History of privately owned, and lately, share owned
(corporations) industries in the states has similar history. There's no
solution. Let's all die in desperation, destitution, and denial. Leave
that legacy to our children and grandchildren. What a crock.
Dave

Not sure what you are on about Dave. Does the crock bit relate to what you
wrote first or third? Anyhow, not sure whether you are venting some
frustration over your rail network failure, the network failures we have
experienced or whether you are trying to win an argument somewhere. Can't
really say. All I can say is that rail is looking a lot healthier, whilst no
means rosy cheeked yet, than it was some years ago. A whole lot of govt
investment has doe it good.

rob

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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 04:12:52 GMT, "Dave"
wrote:

We don't have transportation up in Round Rock other than by car. Yes,
I have a huge Expedition. No, I wasn't thinking about the environment
when I bought it. If I sell it to buy a VW or Mini Cooper, someone
else will still be driving the Expedition. I'll drive it till it
drops then buy another one. My next, hopefully, will be more
advanced MPG Hybrid.

Current VWs are not so good with mpg, and even worse with dependability.
Warranty has gone downhill as well. Females are (all) resource hogs by
nature. They can't help it. No apology expected for such behavior.
Dave

Huh? I haven't a clue what you are talking about. Can you be a bit
less cryptic please? I give far more back to the land, air and people
then I've ever taken. Broad strokes, my friend, are ridiculous. I
have no apology, so no worries.

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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:58:39 -0500, Steve Wertz
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:34:14 -0500, jangchub wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 04:12:52 GMT, "Dave"
wrote:

Current VWs are not so good with mpg, and even worse with dependability.
Warranty has gone downhill as well. Females are (all) resource hogs by
nature. They can't help it. No apology expected for such behavior.
Dave

Huh? I haven't a clue what you are talking about.

I gave up trying to understand him on the first post.

-sw

Ya never know who is on the other end of this monitor. Oh well. I
must be a resource hog!

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"jangchub" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:58:39 -0500, Steve Wertz
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:34:14 -0500, jangchub wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 04:12:52 GMT, "Dave"
wrote:

Current VWs are not so good with mpg, and even worse with dependability.
Warranty has gone downhill as well. Females are (all) resource hogs by
nature. They can't help it. No apology expected for such behavior.
Dave

Huh? I haven't a clue what you are talking about.

I gave up trying to understand him on the first post.

-sw

Ya never know who is on the other end of this monitor. Oh well. I
must be a resource hog!

I'm not the one riding all over Travis and surrounding counties in a gas hog
to save a few dollars on some plant, or to maybe find one you think is cute.
Not spotlighting you in particular. Its just one symptom in many in the big
picture of resource management that's not managed.
Dave

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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 04:40:47 GMT, "Dave"
wrote:

I'm not the one riding all over Travis and surrounding counties in a gas hog
to save a few dollars on some plant, or to maybe find one you think is cute.
Not spotlighting you in particular. Its just one symptom in many in the big
picture of resource management that's not managed.
Dave


Driving all over town to find a cute plant? What arey you talking
about? I didn't buy any plants this year. I grow from divisions,
swaps, and seeds. I fill my truck up about one time a month, which is
far less gas many other people use. My truck is ten years old and
just turned 62.000 miles, most of which was long distance to New York,
Wisconsin and The Grand Canyon.

If you want to be managed, by all means move to Cuba. You will be
completely managed.

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jangchub wrote:
If you want to be managed, by all means move to Cuba. You will be
completely managed.

Please don't feed the trolls. :)

--
Victor M. Martinez
Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)
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In article ,
jangchub wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 04:40:47 GMT, "Dave"
wrote:

I'm not the one riding all over Travis and surrounding counties in a gas hog
to save a few dollars on some plant, or to maybe find one you think is cute.
Not spotlighting you in particular. Its just one symptom in many in the big
picture of resource management that's not managed.
Dave


Driving all over town to find a cute plant? What arey you talking
about? I didn't buy any plants this year. I grow from divisions,
swaps, and seeds. I fill my truck up about one time a month, which is
far less gas many other people use. My truck is ten years old and
just turned 62.000 miles, most of which was long distance to New York,
Wisconsin and The Grand Canyon.

If you want to be managed, by all means move to Cuba. You will be
completely managed.

Want some birdhouse gourd seeds?

I still have excess...
--
Peace, Om

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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 08:01:36 -0500, Victor Martinez
wrote:

jangchub wrote:
If you want to be managed, by all means move to Cuba. You will be
completely managed.

Please don't feed the trolls. :)

Sorry, momentary lapse into childhood! :)

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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 10:22:42 -0500, Omelet
wrote:



Want some birdhouse gourd seeds?

I still have excess...

My husband wants to know what I plan on doing with the 30 gourds I
have been hauling for a few years now! All dried, waiting for holes
and paint. I mean, we have the Martins all over. To be honest, I
don't have ONE more spot anywhere on this half acre to put another
thing. I think I really have to take things out, divide, pot them up
and sell them back to the garden centers in spring.

I made 20 or so brugmansia's, all getting huge, in addition to the
ones I have. Then there are the vitex I potted up as seedlings with
nowhere to plant them. I made the huge, enormous, gigantic mistake of
planting a sumac. That thing would hold California together in the
big one!

So, you are sweet to offer, but I haven't a place to plant them.

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jangchub wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 10:22:42 -0500, Omelet
wrote:



Want some birdhouse gourd seeds?

I still have excess...


My husband wants to know what I plan on doing with the 30 gourds I
have been hauling for a few years now! All dried, waiting for holes
and paint. I mean, we have the Martins all over. To be honest, I
don't have ONE more spot anywhere on this half acre to put another
thing. I think I really have to take things out, divide, pot them up
and sell them back to the garden centers in spring.

I made 20 or so brugmansia's, all getting huge, in addition to the
ones I have. Then there are the vitex I potted up as seedlings with
nowhere to plant them. I made the huge, enormous, gigantic mistake of
planting a sumac. That thing would hold California together in the
big one!

So, you are sweet to offer, but I haven't a place to plant them.


Speaking of vitex - I have a big one right behind a medium large mimosa
that catch the sun at the end of the day. When flowering, like now, the
colors glow brilliantly and compliment each other quite well. It was
dumb luck on my part planting them in that location but I was running
out of room elsewhere - a theme becoming more common on this group :-(

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On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 02:29:39 GMT, jOhN
wrote:


Speaking of vitex - I have a big one right behind a medium large mimosa
that catch the sun at the end of the day. When flowering, like now, the
colors glow brilliantly and compliment each other quite well. It was
dumb luck on my part planting them in that location but I was running
out of room elsewhere - a theme becoming more common on this group :-(

I have a mimosa in a pot for two years now with nowhere to plant it. I
think I've come up with an answer. When I first moved to Texas I
thought those purple foliaged, non-fruiting plum trees would do well.
I miss my red maples, what can I say.

So, anyhoo, I happen to have that planted next to the vitex. My
husband asked if I'd want to cut that tree down since it is pretty
mangy by mid-summer. I think I'll do that. Cut it down and plant the
mimosa there. Thanks for the idea! One less pot to water, only 40 to
go!

On another note, we had to replace two lights in the pool and the guy
who came laughed because he too is a gardener. He said he felt like
he was in South America. He's pretty close, as most of what I grow is
marginally South American.

night to all,
Victoria

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In article ,
jangchub wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 10:22:42 -0500, Omelet
wrote:



Want some birdhouse gourd seeds?

I still have excess...

My husband wants to know what I plan on doing with the 30 gourds I
have been hauling for a few years now! All dried, waiting for holes
and paint. I mean, we have the Martins all over. To be honest, I
don't have ONE more spot anywhere on this half acre to put another
thing. I think I really have to take things out, divide, pot them up
and sell them back to the garden centers in spring.

Once you cut the holes, you can harvest the seeds. Just shake them out.
:-) I cut the holes with a dremel tool. Paint is useless. The natural
coating on the gourd has caused mine to peel off in short order if I
tried it! I just clean the outside well and coated with a bit of flat
varnish. They seem to last for about 6 years.

Don't forget the drain holes in the bottom! I cut three 1/2" holes in
the bottom too. Otherwise in a rain, the nest will fill with water and
the babies will drown.

I get house wrens nesting in the few that I've actually made over the
past few years but it's about time to replace them. I should have
planted some sooner but with the long growing season, I should get a few
gourds.

I've only got about 6 houses up and 3 of them are usually used each year.

House wrens are death on garden bugs when they are feeding a brood.
Average number of kidlets is usually 5.


I made 20 or so brugmansia's, all getting huge,

Vines or bushes?

in addition to the
ones I have. Then there are the vitex I potted up as seedlings with
nowhere to plant them. I made the huge, enormous, gigantic mistake of
planting a sumac. That thing would hold California together in the
big one!

Try taking the Vitex to a nursery and do some horse trading?
I used to do that with Lemon Balm. I could probably do it with catnip,
but I end up using too much of it. We have several cats and I give a lot
away to other cat owners since mine is grown with no pesticides.

I've never had pests eat the catmint anyway...

I want to start a collection of Daturas. They are hardy and a low water
consumer and OH so pretty! Lowe's is getting a greater variety of
colors of Lantana. I just put 3 more in front last week. More saturated
colors than I've seen in the past.

Ever planted a Mexican Oregano? BEAUTIFUL perennial! blooms pale trumpet
shaped purple blossoms all summer long and the leaves are useful for
cooking and to me, taste similar to marjoram.

I started with a 4" plant about 6 or 7 years ago and it's now 3 ft. tall.
It is also a low water consumer along with Rosemary, creeping Thyme and
Dittany Of Crete.


So, you are sweet to offer, but I haven't a place to plant them.

Okay. :-) Its' often fun to do plant and seed trading.
--
Peace, Om

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In article ,
jOhN wrote:

Speaking of vitex - I have a big one right behind a medium large mimosa
that catch the sun at the end of the day. When flowering, like now, the
colors glow brilliantly and compliment each other quite well. It was
dumb luck on my part planting them in that location but I was running
out of room elsewhere - a theme becoming more common on this group :-(

I was not familiar with Vitex so just googled it. Hardy and a butterfly
attractor? :-) I've been planting Lantana next to Pentas and that combo
seems to attract more flying flowers, but the Pentas need more water
than Lantanas.

I may have to consider some Vitex out front. How big do they get?
--
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:38:11 -0500, Omelet
wrote:

Vines or bushes?

Brugmansia is not a vine, it is a small tree. In the high mountains
of Peru they get 20 feet tall or more, loaded with tons of beautiful
trumpets facing downward.

What vine are you talking about?

Try taking the Vitex to a nursery and do some horse trading?
I used to do that with Lemon Balm. I could probably do it with catnip,
but I end up using too much of it. We have several cats and I give a lot
away to other cat owners since mine is grown with no pesticides.

Yes, I do sell to The Natural Gardener, The Great Outdoors, and Barton
Springs.

I want to start a collection of Daturas.

I used to collect them. I have D.metel, D.inoxia, D.wrightii out in
the garden now. They need a bit more water than I'd like them to
need, but will wilt during heat of the day and plump up at night. They
wilt on purpose. All nightshades have this ability. They also
re-seed readily.

I have planted Mexican oregano. I don't have enough sun any more.

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On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:50:13 -0500, Omelet
wrote:

In article ,
jOhN wrote:

Speaking of vitex - I have a big one right behind a medium large mimosa
that catch the sun at the end of the day. When flowering, like now, the
colors glow brilliantly and compliment each other quite well. It was
dumb luck on my part planting them in that location but I was running
out of room elsewhere - a theme becoming more common on this group :-(

I was not familiar with Vitex so just googled it. Hardy and a butterfly
attractor? :-) I've been planting Lantana next to Pentas and that combo
seems to attract more flying flowers, but the Pentas need more water
than Lantanas.

I may have to consider some Vitex out front. How big do they get?

I have two, white and 'Carolina Blue' and they are both upwards of
fifteen feet. They can get twenty five feet, easily, in ten years.
They are very large shrubs. Hummingbirds also love them.

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In article ,
jangchub wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:38:11 -0500, Omelet
wrote:

Vines or bushes?

Brugmansia is not a vine, it is a small tree. In the high mountains
of Peru they get 20 feet tall or more, loaded with tons of beautiful
trumpets facing downward.

What vine are you talking about?

I may simply be mistaken.
I saw a picture once (I think Nick posted it) of a lovely vine on a
trellis that looked a lot like Datura. At that time, I'd never heard of
Brugmansias.

That was what he told me it was! :-)

I've grown Moon Vines, but those are related to (and look like) morning
glories except a lot bigger! Those attracted a lot of hummingbird moths
at night.

Big white nocturnal flowers.


Try taking the Vitex to a nursery and do some horse trading?
I used to do that with Lemon Balm. I could probably do it with catnip,
but I end up using too much of it. We have several cats and I give a lot
away to other cat owners since mine is grown with no pesticides.

Yes, I do sell to The Natural Gardener, The Great Outdoors, and Barton
Springs.

Cool.

As easy as plant propagation is, I'm surprised that more of us don't try
to make money off of it.

I need to make a better effort at Air Layering some of my perennial
herbs.

My succulents have been my biggest success. I need to cut buds and pot a
bunch of San Pedro one of these days.


I want to start a collection of Daturas.

I used to collect them. I have D.metel, D.inoxia, D.wrightii out in
the garden now. They need a bit more water than I'd like them to
need, but will wilt during heat of the day and plump up at night. They
wilt on purpose. All nightshades have this ability. They also
re-seed readily.

The white wild ones (aka Jimson weed) used to grow wild in the Mojave
foothills in California where we lived when I was growing up. We were
warned to never try to ingest them. G

It was pretty dry and they did fine. They are built for low water
conditions. It's one of the main reasons that I've considered them for
landscaping.

Those, Lantana and Wandering Jew.


I have planted Mexican oregano. I don't have enough sun any more.

Bummer. The West side of my house gets no shade. The herbs are along
side the driveway there and the bed is about 15 ft. long and maybe 1
inches wide. The Mexican Oregano (now a small bush) is right at the
corner of the house. I need to take current photos of it.

Prune the trees girl! ;-)

You could probably consult with a tree surgeon and see what they have to
say.
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In article ,
jangchub wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:50:13 -0500, Omelet
wrote:

In article ,
jOhN wrote:

Speaking of vitex - I have a big one right behind a medium large mimosa
that catch the sun at the end of the day. When flowering, like now, the
colors glow brilliantly and compliment each other quite well. It was
dumb luck on my part planting them in that location but I was running
out of room elsewhere - a theme becoming more common on this group :-(

I was not familiar with Vitex so just googled it. Hardy and a butterfly
attractor? :-) I've been planting Lantana next to Pentas and that combo
seems to attract more flying flowers, but the Pentas need more water
than Lantanas.

I may have to consider some Vitex out front. How big do they get?

I have two, white and 'Carolina Blue' and they are both upwards of
fifteen feet. They can get twenty five feet, easily, in ten years.
They are very large shrubs. Hummingbirds also love them.

Hm.
I have little enough open sun as it is.
Those would have to be relegated to the front of the driveway, or maybe
the southeast corner of the house.

Will they do well in partial sun?
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Omelet wrote:

In article ,
jangchub wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:38:11 -0500, Omelet
wrote:

Vines or bushes?

Brugmansia is not a vine, it is a small tree. In the high mountains
of Peru they get 20 feet tall or more, loaded with tons of beautiful
trumpets facing downward.

What vine are you talking about?

I may simply be mistaken.
I saw a picture once (I think Nick posted it) of a lovely vine on a
trellis that looked a lot like Datura. At that time, I'd never heard of
Brugmansias.

That was what he told me it was! :-)

I've grown Moon Vines, but those are related to (and look like) morning
glories except a lot bigger! Those attracted a lot of hummingbird moths
at night.

Big white nocturnal flowers.


Try taking the Vitex to a nursery and do some horse trading?
I used to do that with Lemon Balm. I could probably do it with catnip,
but I end up using too much of it. We have several cats and I give a lot
away to other cat owners since mine is grown with no pesticides.

Yes, I do sell to The Natural Gardener, The Great Outdoors, and Barton
Springs.

Cool.

As easy as plant propagation is, I'm surprised that more of us don't try
to make money off of it.

I need to make a better effort at Air Layering some of my perennial
herbs.

My succulents have been my biggest success. I need to cut buds and pot a
bunch of San Pedro one of these days.


I want to start a collection of Daturas.

I used to collect them. I have D.metel, D.inoxia, D.wrightii out in
the garden now. They need a bit more water than I'd like them to
need, but will wilt during heat of the day and plump up at night. They
wilt on purpose. All nightshades have this ability. They also
re-seed readily.

The white wild ones (aka Jimson weed) used to grow wild in the Mojave
foothills in California where we lived when I was growing up. We were
warned to never try to ingest them. G

It was pretty dry and they did fine. They are built for low water
conditions. It's one of the main reasons that I've considered them for
landscaping.

Those, Lantana and Wandering Jew.


I have planted Mexican oregano. I don't have enough sun any more.

Bummer. The West side of my house gets no shade. The herbs are along
side the driveway there and the bed is about 15 ft. long and maybe 1
inches wide.

Sorry to answer my own post...
That should have read "18 inches wide"!

The Mexican Oregano (now a small bush) is right at the
corner of the house. I need to take current photos of it.

Prune the trees girl! ;-)

You could probably consult with a tree surgeon and see what they have to
say.
--
Peace, Om

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On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:10:33 -0500, Omelet
wrote:


I may simply be mistaken.
I saw a picture once (I think Nick posted it) of a lovely vine on a
trellis that looked a lot like Datura. At that time, I'd never heard of
Brugmansias.

Datura and Brugmansia are not the same thing. They changed the
taxonomy about ten years or more ago. Based on flower parts and that
they are both in the solanace family, they are alike, but different
plants altogether.

That was what he told me it was! :-)

I've grown Moon Vines, but those are related to (and look like) morning
glories except a lot bigger! Those attracted a lot of hummingbird moths
at night.

These are nothing like Ipomoea alba aka moonflower.

As easy as plant propagation is, I'm surprised that more of us don't try
to make money off of it.

It's a lot easier with a greenhouse, which I have.

The white wild ones (aka Jimson weed) used to grow wild in the Mojave
foothills in California where we lived when I was growing up. We were
warned to never try to ingest them. G

If you are talking about Datura stramonium, you are right. They are
much more drought tolerant and don't wilt as much in heat. Of all the
Datura's, D.stramonium is my least favorite. The flowers are very
small. The ones I have, D. wrightii has flowers 8" across, I have
'Double White Purity' and 'Cornucopia' which are also doubles, but
purple. I can't get enough of them.

You could probably consult with a tree surgeon and see what they have to
say.

Eh, this isn't the last house we'll live in. When my mother moves
down from New York (she lives ON the water ON Long Island, so it's
going to take a crowbar to get her down here) she'll buy a house
outright cash, so we'll most likely take that house when she isn't
with us any more. Then again, we may sell it all and buy our RV
Motorcoach and travel full time. We'll see what my health has to say
when that time comes.

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On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:12:10 -0500, Omelet
wrote:


Hm.
I have little enough open sun as it is.
Those would have to be relegated to the front of the driveway, or maybe
the southeast corner of the house.

Will they do well in partial sun?

They will be more sparse, but yes they do flower in some shade. One
which came up from seed is now 8 feet tall and it is flowering under
the Paulownia. It's in the ground, not a container. I've seen people
flank their driveway with these and they just keep them pruned neatly.
They do need shaping every year and tend to have a lot of waterspout
growth. You do know what that is, right? If not, I can explain it.

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In article ,
jangchub wrote:

On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:12:10 -0500, Omelet
wrote:


Hm.
I have little enough open sun as it is.
Those would have to be relegated to the front of the driveway, or maybe
the southeast corner of the house.

Will they do well in partial sun?

They will be more sparse, but yes they do flower in some shade. One
which came up from seed is now 8 feet tall and it is flowering under
the Paulownia. It's in the ground, not a container. I've seen people
flank their driveway with these and they just keep them pruned neatly.
They do need shaping every year and tend to have a lot of waterspout
growth. You do know what that is, right? If not, I can explain it.

Could not find a definition on google, but I presume that is excessive
top branching?

I'm always up for an education.
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:02:25 -0500, Omelet
wrote:

In article ,
jangchub wrote:

On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:12:10 -0500, Omelet
wrote:


Hm.
I have little enough open sun as it is.
Those would have to be relegated to the front of the driveway, or maybe
the southeast corner of the house.

Will they do well in partial sun?

They will be more sparse, but yes they do flower in some shade. One
which came up from seed is now 8 feet tall and it is flowering under
the Paulownia. It's in the ground, not a container. I've seen people
flank their driveway with these and they just keep them pruned neatly.
They do need shaping every year and tend to have a lot of waterspout
growth. You do know what that is, right? If not, I can explain it.

Could not find a definition on google, but I presume that is excessive
top branching?

I'm always up for an education.

The term "waterspout" when used to describe a type of growth on a
plant, tree or shrub is describing a branch growing up in the center
of the branch and usually is found in the center of the plant. These
shoots which grow upward on branches need to be removed, usually. They
are mostly never going to flower and it puts a strain on the plant
with added weight. Was that a good description?

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jangchub wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:02:25 -0500, Omelet
wrote:


In article ,
jangchub wrote:


On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:12:10 -0500, Omelet
wrote:



Hm.
I have little enough open sun as it is.
Those would have to be relegated to the front of the driveway, or maybe
the southeast corner of the house.

Will they do well in partial sun?

They will be more sparse, but yes they do flower in some shade. One
which came up from seed is now 8 feet tall and it is flowering under
the Paulownia. It's in the ground, not a container. I've seen people
flank their driveway with these and they just keep them pruned neatly.
They do need shaping every year and tend to have a lot of waterspout
growth. You do know what that is, right? If not, I can explain it.

Could not find a definition on google, but I presume that is excessive
top branching?

I'm always up for an education.


The term "waterspout" when used to describe a type of growth on a
plant, tree or shrub is describing a branch growing up in the center
of the branch and usually is found in the center of the plant. These
shoots which grow upward on branches need to be removed, usually. They
are mostly never going to flower and it puts a strain on the plant
with added weight. Was that a good description?

If I may, I think the term is "watersprout".

DT
(At least it's googlable. ;-) )

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On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:23:55 -0500, dt wrote:

If I may, I think the term is "watersprout".

DT
(At least it's googlable. ;-) )

Eh, I'm on brain drain! You're correct. Thanks for the notation.

Victoria

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Alan C Denman wrote:
||
|| A new Yahoo group has been formed for people who use Capital
|| Metro busses in Austin Texas

That will likely be a large group... NOT!
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BJ in Texas wrote:
Alan C Denman wrote:
||
|| A new Yahoo group has been formed for people who use Capital
|| Metro busses in Austin Texas

That will likely be a large group... NOT!

Remember, Lee Walker says "Empty buses are a myth".

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Austin, TX

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Gary Brady wrote:
BJ in Texas wrote:

Alan C Denman wrote:
||
|| A new Yahoo group has been formed for people who use Capital
|| Metro busses in Austin Texas

That will likely be a large group... NOT!


Remember, Lee Walker says "Empty buses are a myth".


It is a myth - I've never seen a bus on the road without a driver ;-)