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Well, my peach tree made a ton of peaches, all or most of which had
worms in the center, and/or brown rot. The red admirals are drunk out there and I mean drunk and many thousands of them. Anyway, I don't kill insects, but does anyone know of a way to prevent brown rot aside from proper hygiene after the growing season is over. Also, I was wondering if I can do an extreme pruning after all the fruit has fallen off. The tree is a good umbrella shape, but it is way too tall...about 14 feet tall. The raccoons get up in there and poop on my canopy to mark THEIR peach tree. I don't mind, but if the tree was shorter they can get to it without skating the canopy and maybe I can pick the peaches easier. Does anyone have any good book recomendations regarding peaches? Victoria |
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jangchub wrote:
Well, my peach tree made a ton of peaches, all or most of which had worms in the center, and/or brown rot. The red admirals are drunk out there and I mean drunk and many thousands of them. Anyway, I don't kill insects, but does anyone know of a way to prevent brown rot aside from proper hygiene after the growing season is over. Also, I was wondering if I can do an extreme pruning after all the fruit has fallen off. The tree is a good umbrella shape, but it is way too tall...about 14 feet tall. The raccoons get up in there and poop on my canopy to mark THEIR peach tree. I don't mind, but if the tree was shorter they can get to it without skating the canopy and maybe I can pick the peaches easier. Does anyone have any good book recomendations regarding peaches? Victoria I keep all my fruit trees pruned to ten feet tall. There are many guides to pruning but your best recommendations for fruit trees will probably come from your state agricultural extension service. If you're in Texas TAMU is your friend. If you don't spray at all you probably will never get a decent crop. I only use dormant oil spray in the winter and it has improved my crop greatly. Proper pruning will also help in letting light and air into the interior of the tree plus you will need to get rid of some of the fruit so others will get bigger. HTH George, USDA Zone 9b, SW Louisiana |
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jangchub wrote:
Anyway, I don't kill insects, but does anyone know of a way to prevent brown rot aside from proper hygiene after the growing season is over. I'd love some advice on that too, we haven't had a peach in 2 years!!! The trees are strikingly beautiful when blooming though. :) Also, I was wondering if I can do an extreme pruning after all the fruit has fallen off. The tree is a good umbrella shape, but it is way too tall...about 14 feet tall. The raccoons get up in there and I'd wait until February to prune them. Let the leaves produce energy now. -- Victor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam he Email me he |
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On 7/13/2007 1:35 PM, Victor Martinez wrote:
jangchub wrote: Anyway, I don't kill insects, but does anyone know of a way to prevent brown rot aside from proper hygiene after the growing season is over. I'd love some advice on that too, we haven't had a peach in 2 years!!! The trees are strikingly beautiful when blooming though. :) Also, I was wondering if I can do an extreme pruning after all the fruit has fallen off. The tree is a good umbrella shape, but it is way too tall...about 14 feet tall. The raccoons get up in there and I'd wait until February to prune them. Let the leaves produce energy now. If you are trying to grow something that does not grow in nature (a hybridized peach), then you must resort to some non-natural practices. I use a spray that combines dormant oil (which kills over-wintering insects and their eggs) with copper sulfate (which prevents fungus and other diseases). I spray this immediately after pruning and again just as the flower bud swell and begin to show red (and again if it rains within 48 hours after spraying). Gather up all fallen fruit and trash it. Don't leave it to become a breeding ground for next year's brown rot. Prune in the winter. If you normally get snow, wait until the buds swell slightly. In my area, I prune around New Year. Don't prune now; the tree is forming the wood on which next year's crop will appear. -- David E. Ross Climate: California Mediterranean Sunset Zone: 21 -- interior Santa Monica Mountains with some ocean influence (USDA 10a, very close to Sunset Zone 19) Gardening pages at http://www.rossde.com/garden/ |
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-- Many tree problems are associated with the following: They are Case Sensitive. Troubles in the Rhizosphere http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/RHIZO.html Unhealthy Trees from the Nursery / Improper Planting http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/sub1.html and Look up "Tree Planting" http://www.treedictionary.com Improper Mulching - http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/sub3.html and http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/M/ Look up "Mulch" Improper Pruning http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/tree_pruning Improper Fertilization (See A Touch of Chemistry) http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/CHEM.html Tree Farming and Related Problems http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/ Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. "jangchub" wrote in message ... Well, my peach tree made a ton of peaches, all or most of which had worms in the center, and/or brown rot. The red admirals are drunk out there and I mean drunk and many thousands of them. Anyway, I don't kill insects, but does anyone know of a way to prevent brown rot aside from proper hygiene after the growing season is over. Also, I was wondering if I can do an extreme pruning after all the fruit has fallen off. The tree is a good umbrella shape, but it is way too tall...about 14 feet tall. The raccoons get up in there and poop on my canopy to mark THEIR peach tree. I don't mind, but if the tree was shorter they can get to it without skating the canopy and maybe I can pick the peaches easier. Does anyone have any good book recomendations regarding peaches? Victoria |
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"jangchub" wrote in message ... Well, my peach tree made a ton of peaches, all or most of which had worms in the center, and/or brown rot. The red admirals are drunk out there and I mean drunk and many thousands of them. Anyway, I don't kill insects, but does anyone know of a way to prevent brown rot aside from proper hygiene after the growing season is over. Also, I was wondering if I can do an extreme pruning after all the fruit has fallen off. NO !! See pruning http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/tree_pruning/ Proper mulching would be great!!!! Mulching - http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/sub3.html and http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/M/ Look up "Mulch" Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. \ The tree is a good umbrella shape, but it is way too tall...about 14 feet tall. The raccoons get up in there and poop on my canopy to mark THEIR peach tree. I don't mind, but if the tree was shorter they can get to it without skating the canopy and maybe I can pick the peaches easier. Does anyone have any good book recomendations regarding peaches? Victoria |
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As with any pesticides, caution must be taken.
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/spring.html Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. "David E. Ross" wrote in message .. . On 7/13/2007 1:35 PM, Victor Martinez wrote: jangchub wrote: Anyway, I don't kill insects, but does anyone know of a way to prevent brown rot aside from proper hygiene after the growing season is over. I'd love some advice on that too, we haven't had a peach in 2 years!!! The trees are strikingly beautiful when blooming though. :) Also, I was wondering if I can do an extreme pruning after all the fruit has fallen off. The tree is a good umbrella shape, but it is way too tall...about 14 feet tall. The raccoons get up in there and I'd wait until February to prune them. Let the leaves produce energy now. If you are trying to grow something that does not grow in nature (a hybridized peach), then you must resort to some non-natural practices. I use a spray that combines dormant oil (which kills over-wintering insects and their eggs) with copper sulfate (which prevents fungus and other diseases). I spray this immediately after pruning and again just as the flower bud swell and begin to show red (and again if it rains within 48 hours after spraying). Gather up all fallen fruit and trash it. Don't leave it to become a breeding ground for next year's brown rot. Prune in the winter. If you normally get snow, wait until the buds swell slightly. In my area, I prune around New Year. Don't prune now; the tree is forming the wood on which next year's crop will appear. -- David E. Ross Climate: California Mediterranean Sunset Zone: 21 -- interior Santa Monica Mountains with some ocean influence (USDA 10a, very close to Sunset Zone 19) Gardening pages at http://www.rossde.com/garden/ |
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My Ortho Problem Solver suggests spraying your peaches about 3 weeks before
harvest with a fungicide containing triforine. Besides the usual cleanup of infected material around the tree, next spring spray the tree as the first flowers begin to open with a fungicide containing either triforine or chlorothalonil as the first flowers begin to open. Continue spraying as the label suggests. That book again is 'The Ortho Home Gardener's Problem Solver'. They also have a more extensive version in a professional edition (more expensive). I would trap the racoons and get rid of them. If you prune, don't cut off more than 1/3 of the tree in any season and do it in late fall or very early spring when the tree is dormant. I would also suggest planting a semi-dwarf tree instead of a full standard peach, next time. Sherwin D. jangchub wrote: Well, my peach tree made a ton of peaches, all or most of which had worms in the center, and/or brown rot. The red admirals are drunk out there and I mean drunk and many thousands of them. Anyway, I don't kill insects, but does anyone know of a way to prevent brown rot aside from proper hygiene after the growing season is over. Also, I was wondering if I can do an extreme pruning after all the fruit has fallen off. The tree is a good umbrella shape, but it is way too tall...about 14 feet tall. The raccoons get up in there and poop on my canopy to mark THEIR peach tree. I don't mind, but if the tree was shorter they can get to it without skating the canopy and maybe I can pick the peaches easier. Does anyone have any good book recomendations regarding peaches? Victoria |
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On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:35:56 -0500, Victor Martinez
wrote: I'd love some advice on that too, we haven't had a peach in 2 years!!! The trees are strikingly beautiful when blooming though. :) Do you know the chill hours on your peach? Mine is 400. Last winter we finally had at least or close to temps below 45 for 400 hours. Fruit trees, particularly peaches will show beautiful flowers, but if the chill hours aren't there the blossoms abort the fruit along with them when they fall off. I'd wait until February to prune them. Let the leaves produce energy now. I agree, but peaches set fruit on new wood. So, my line of thinking was that if I cut out all the largest and oldest limbs I'd encourage new growth. Then, in February prune it back into the scaffold I have it pruned into now. I'm going to go take a look at Dromgool's peach orchard at the store. |
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No thank you. I am an organic gardener. If it means I won't ever get
a healthy peach, so be it, but I will not be using anything Ortho puts out. I wouldn't trust them if it was labeled certified organic. On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 00:39:35 -0500, sherwindu wrote: My Ortho Problem Solver suggests spraying your peaches about 3 weeks before harvest with a fungicide containing triforine. Besides the usual cleanup of infected material around the tree, next spring spray the tree as the first flowers begin to open with a fungicide containing either triforine or chlorothalonil as the first flowers begin to open. Continue spraying as the label suggests. That book again is 'The Ortho Home Gardener's Problem Solver'. They also have a more extensive version in a professional edition (more expensive). I would trap the racoons and get rid of them. If you prune, don't cut off more than 1/3 of the tree in any season and do it in late fall or very early spring when the tree is dormant. I would also suggest planting a semi-dwarf tree instead of a full standard peach, next time. Sherwin D. jangchub wrote: Well, my peach tree made a ton of peaches, all or most of which had worms in the center, and/or brown rot. The red admirals are drunk out there and I mean drunk and many thousands of them. Anyway, I don't kill insects, but does anyone know of a way to prevent brown rot aside from proper hygiene after the growing season is over. Also, I was wondering if I can do an extreme pruning after all the fruit has fallen off. The tree is a good umbrella shape, but it is way too tall...about 14 feet tall. The raccoons get up in there and poop on my canopy to mark THEIR peach tree. I don't mind, but if the tree was shorter they can get to it without skating the canopy and maybe I can pick the peaches easier. Does anyone have any good book recomendations regarding peaches? Victoria |
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"jangchub" wrote in message ... On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:35:56 -0500, Victor Martinez wrote: I'd wait until February to prune them. Let the leaves produce energy now. I agree, but peaches set fruit on new wood. So, my line of thinking was that if I cut out all the largest and oldest limbs I'd encourage new growth. Then, in February prune it back into the scaffold I have it pruned into now. An article in the Statesman yesterday about the impact of the rain had this: "....says Bill Psencik of the Psencik Peach Farm in Fredericksburg "The foliage on the trees is so dense that we will have to do a lot of summer pruning to allow adequate sunlight to enter the inside of the canopy of the trees," Psencik says. "This can have a great effect on the amount of next year's peach crop." So, apparently pruning in Summer is not a bad thing. I'm going to go take a look at Dromgool's peach orchard at the store. |
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 11:01:09 -0500, "cat daddy"
wrote: An article in the Statesman yesterday about the impact of the rain had this: "....says Bill Psencik of the Psencik Peach Farm in Fredericksburg "The foliage on the trees is so dense that we will have to do a lot of summer pruning to allow adequate sunlight to enter the inside of the canopy of the trees," Psencik says. "This can have a great effect on the amount of next year's peach crop." So, apparently pruning in Summer is not a bad thing. Yes, this is in line with my original thought to remove most of the old wood which will no longer produce fruit and cut it back hard. Summer pruning on fruit trees is very common. Since the tree has given me brown rot for the last three years, and if it doesn't get remedy I was going to remove it and plant another on the other side of the property...well, I have nothing to lose. So, I will follow my instinct and cut it back and prune heavily so new wood will grow out for next years fruit. I made a mistake in my terminology, peaches fruit on second year wood, meaning whatever new wood grows this year, will be the shoots to produce fruit next year. The shoots are from 18 to 24 inches long and those (generally red in color) will be the shoots to produce next year. I will also use a copper fungicide or something similar, but I will not use pesticides. I don't kill. That's that. |
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jangchub wrote:
Do you know the chill hours on your peach? Mine is 400. Last winter I don't remember, but it made sense for Austin when we got them. we finally had at least or close to temps below 45 for 400 hours. Fruit trees, particularly peaches will show beautiful flowers, but if the chill hours aren't there the blossoms abort the fruit along with them when they fall off. I didn't mean to say the trees do not produce fruit. They do. We just don't get to eat any because they rot. -- Victor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam he Email me he |
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jangchub wrote:
not use pesticides. I don't kill. That's that. Actually, we all do. Whether we want to or not. :) -- Victor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam he Email me he |
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In article ,
Victor Martinez wrote: jangchub wrote: not use pesticides. I don't kill. That's that. Actually, we all do. Whether we want to or not. :) All we have to do is look at our cars radiator. Then imagine what the radiators of the trucks that bring us our foods look like. Bill -- S Jersey USA Zone 5 Shade http://www.ocutech.com/ High tech Vison aid This article is posted under fair use rules in accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational and informative purposes. This material is distributed without profit. |
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:50:38 -0500, Victor Martinez
wrote: I didn't mean to say the trees do not produce fruit. They do. We just don't get to eat any because they rot. Ah, okay. We started removing the very old wood on the tree today. We are only going to leave last years wood, and anything which grows out from this season. I am going to investigate how to curtail the brown rot, although the butterflies are so drunk out there I almost hate to deny them! There are literally thousands of butterflies, and all types at that. I don't think I've ever seen so many. Removing the oldest wood has also removed the route the raccoons use to get up in there. They started marking their territory on top of our pavillion and we can't have that. Round worms are a very real thing I don't want to get involved with :( |
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:51:45 -0500, Victor Martinez
wrote: jangchub wrote: not use pesticides. I don't kill. That's that. Actually, we all do. Whether we want to or not. :) Well, of course we do ultimately. My Lama told me there is not an atom of space where you won't find a sentient being. So breathing kills bacteria and whatever else. Also, I've been told just under my armpit is a zoo! What a fantastic Lama I have :) I guess I should have have said, I don't kill with intention. I don't eat any animals, and I am working toward being a vegan, though that is difficult to do when I have a livingroom full of Thomasville Leather! Then again, I did buy it 8 years ago, so...nah, it still isn't yard sale yet. It's that lifetime type stuff. I digress... v |
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 19:57:49 -0400, William Wagner
wrote: In article , Victor Martinez wrote: jangchub wrote: not use pesticides. I don't kill. That's that. Actually, we all do. Whether we want to or not. :) All we have to do is look at our cars radiator. Then imagine what the radiators of the trucks that bring us our foods look like. Bill Which is why I usually use drive time to recite mantras. I also have a copy of a mandala that, if an animal sees it will not take another animal rebirth. One would have to be a Buddhist to know what that's all about. We sure do kill all day, but not with intention. |
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jangchub wrote: No thank you. I am an organic gardener. If it means I won't ever get a healthy peach, so be it, but I will not be using anything Ortho puts out. I wouldn't trust them if it was labeled certified organic. Spoken like a true believer. |
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Not sure where this summer pruning is taking place, but heavy pruning in the
summer encourages the tree to put out lot's of new growth, usually in the form of water sprouts that grow up vertically and our not desirable. Better to wait until the tree goes dormant in late fall or early winter. Sherwin D. cat daddy wrote: "jangchub" wrote in message ... On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:35:56 -0500, Victor Martinez wrote: I'd wait until February to prune them. Let the leaves produce energy now. I agree, but peaches set fruit on new wood. So, my line of thinking was that if I cut out all the largest and oldest limbs I'd encourage new growth. Then, in February prune it back into the scaffold I have it pruned into now. An article in the Statesman yesterday about the impact of the rain had this: "....says Bill Psencik of the Psencik Peach Farm in Fredericksburg "The foliage on the trees is so dense that we will have to do a lot of summer pruning to allow adequate sunlight to enter the inside of the canopy of the trees," Psencik says. "This can have a great effect on the amount of next year's peach crop." So, apparently pruning in Summer is not a bad thing. I'm going to go take a look at Dromgool's peach orchard at the store. |
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jangchub wrote:
I guess I should have have said, I don't kill with intention. I don't eat any animals, and I am working toward being a vegan, though that is difficult to do when I have a livingroom full of Thomasville Leather! Then again, I did buy it 8 years ago, so...nah, it still isn't yard sale yet. It's that lifetime type stuff. I digress... If they're in good condition, I could help you get rid of them. :) Victor, mostly vegetarian but definitely not vegan. -- Victor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam he Email me he |
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Are you giving this advice as specific to peach trees in Central Texas,
or as a general rule of tree pruning? I would think the commercial grower would not do anything to jeopardize his current and future crop or orchard. "sherwindu" wrote in message ... Not sure where this summer pruning is taking place, but heavy pruning in the summer encourages the tree to put out lot's of new growth, usually in the form of water sprouts that grow up vertically and our not desirable. Better to wait until the tree goes dormant in late fall or early winter. Sherwin D. cat daddy wrote: "jangchub" wrote in message ... On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:35:56 -0500, Victor Martinez wrote: I'd wait until February to prune them. Let the leaves produce energy now. I agree, but peaches set fruit on new wood. So, my line of thinking was that if I cut out all the largest and oldest limbs I'd encourage new growth. Then, in February prune it back into the scaffold I have it pruned into now. An article in the Statesman yesterday about the impact of the rain had this: "....says Bill Psencik of the Psencik Peach Farm in Fredericksburg "The foliage on the trees is so dense that we will have to do a lot of summer pruning to allow adequate sunlight to enter the inside of the canopy of the trees," Psencik says. "This can have a great effect on the amount of next year's peach crop." So, apparently pruning in Summer is not a bad thing. I'm going to go take a look at Dromgool's peach orchard at the store. |
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I know, but not all the new growth will be in the form of water spouts
and it will be the new shoots which will produce the fruit next year. I have nothing to lose by trying this rehab project. The tree is producing beautiful baseball sized fruits with rot. I may have to wait two seasons to really reap the benefits of doing this hard prune, but I truly believe it's the only thing I can do. In the meanwhile, when the fruit trees go on sale in February I'll buy some and plant them in other spots. On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 00:53:39 -0500, sherwindu wrote: Not sure where this summer pruning is taking place, but heavy pruning in the summer encourages the tree to put out lot's of new growth, usually in the form of water sprouts that grow up vertically and our not desirable. Better to wait until the tree goes dormant in late fall or early winter. Sherwin D. cat daddy wrote: "jangchub" wrote in message ... On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:35:56 -0500, Victor Martinez wrote: I'd wait until February to prune them. Let the leaves produce energy now. I agree, but peaches set fruit on new wood. So, my line of thinking was that if I cut out all the largest and oldest limbs I'd encourage new growth. Then, in February prune it back into the scaffold I have it pruned into now. An article in the Statesman yesterday about the impact of the rain had this: "....says Bill Psencik of the Psencik Peach Farm in Fredericksburg "The foliage on the trees is so dense that we will have to do a lot of summer pruning to allow adequate sunlight to enter the inside of the canopy of the trees," Psencik says. "This can have a great effect on the amount of next year's peach crop." So, apparently pruning in Summer is not a bad thing. I'm going to go take a look at Dromgool's peach orchard at the store. |
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 07:31:10 -0500, Victor Martinez
wrote: jangchub wrote: I guess I should have have said, I don't kill with intention. I don't eat any animals, and I am working toward being a vegan, though that is difficult to do when I have a livingroom full of Thomasville Leather! Then again, I did buy it 8 years ago, so...nah, it still isn't yard sale yet. It's that lifetime type stuff. I digress... If they're in good condition, I could help you get rid of them. :) Victor, mostly vegetarian but definitely not vegan. Mostly vegetarian? Vic, c'mon. Pregnant or not? :) At least eat a big animal which feeds many and try to avoid shrimp because many of those are killed. None of it is good for ME, but His Holiness says to at least eat a large animal which feeds many. He has to eat meat from time to time for health reasons and he eats large animals when he does. You will be the first to know when I see the furniture. I'm already tired of it, but my husband will kill me! I won't even say how much this stuff cost us. |
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jangchub wrote:
Mostly vegetarian? Vic, c'mon. Pregnant or not? :) What I mean by mostly vegetarian is that I don't eat animal flesh regularly. Once a week or so, it depends. I'm not dogmatic about it either. I don't do dogma. At least eat a big animal which feeds many and try to avoid shrimp because many of those are killed. When I do purchase animal flesh, I choose, if available, those that are raised and killed humanely and as organic as possible. I do love shrimp though. :) Holiness says to at least eat a large animal which feeds many. He has to eat meat from time to time for health reasons and he eats large animals when he does. I don't see why anybody would *have* to eat meat for health reasons. The only essential nutrients meat provide are certain aminoacids, which are available from non-meat sources. You will be the first to know when I see the furniture. I'm already tired of it, but my husband will kill me! I won't even say how much this stuff cost us. :) I'd love to have leather furniture, but with all our cats it would be impossible to keep it looking good for long. They are very good at scratching only on their furniture, but they do have claws and the do use them for traction when racing like wildebeasts in the Serengeti. Cheers. Victor, off to yoga -- Victor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam he Email me he |
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 11:10:49 -0500, Victor Martinez
wrote: What I mean by mostly vegetarian is that I don't eat animal flesh regularly. Once a week or so, it depends. I'm not dogmatic about it either. I don't do dogma. I've been accused of being a fundamentalist more than once! I don't do dogma either, but I think if I ate meat I wouldn't call myself mostly vegetarian. :) I don't see why anybody would *have* to eat meat for health reasons. The only essential nutrients meat provide are certain aminoacids, which are available from non-meat sources. From a Tibetan Medicine perspective, there are certain properties which contribute to the wind energy, and the central channels, etc. It's complex, but he follows his Tibetan doctors' advice. It may stem out of the mere fact there is not much other THAN meat in Tibet, particularly in winter. Tsampa and yak. :) I'd love to have leather furniture, but with all our cats it would be impossible to keep it looking good for long. They are very good at scratching only on their furniture, but they do have claws and the do use them for traction when racing like wildebeasts in the Serengeti. Cheers. Victor, off to yoga We had an 80 pound dog who lived on the couch. This leather is not ordinary. It is very heavy and very resilient. No cat nail could penetrate this leather. I do remember before our 14 year old kitties passes away they would run like wildebeasts in the Serengeti over these couches and not a scratch. Om Shanti |
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cat daddy wrote: Are you giving this advice as specific to peach trees in Central Texas, or as a general rule of tree pruning? I would think the commercial grower would not do anything to jeopardize his current and future crop or orchard. "sherwindu" wrote in message ... Not sure where this summer pruning is taking place, but heavy pruning in the summer encourages the tree to put out lot's of new growth, usually in the form of water sprouts that grow up vertically and our not desirable. Better to wait until the tree goes dormant in late fall or early winter. Sherwin D. cat daddy wrote: "jangchub" wrote in message ... On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:35:56 -0500, Victor Martinez wrote: I'd wait until February to prune them. Let the leaves produce energy now. I agree, but peaches set fruit on new wood. So, my line of thinking was that if I cut out all the largest and oldest limbs I'd encourage new growth. Then, in February prune it back into the scaffold I have it pruned into now. An article in the Statesman yesterday about the impact of the rain had this: "....says Bill Psencik of the Psencik Peach Farm in Fredericksburg "The foliage on the trees is so dense that we will have to do a lot of summer pruning to allow adequate sunlight to enter the inside of the canopy of the trees," Psencik says. "This can have a great effect on the amount of next year's peach crop." So, apparently pruning in Summer is not a bad thing. I'm going to go take a look at Dromgool's peach orchard at the store. My time frames may be off slightly if the original poster lives in Texas, but the principal is still the same. Light pruning is ok in the warmer months, but heavy pruning will just encourage the tree to put out more growth. As I mentioned, this new growth will not be of a desirable nature. Heavy pruning should be done when a fruit tree is either entering or already is in a dormant state. Sherwin D. |
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jangchub wrote: I know, but not all the new growth will be in the form of water spouts and it will be the new shoots which will produce the fruit next year. I have nothing to lose by trying this rehab project. The tree is producing beautiful baseball sized fruits with rot. I may have to wait two seasons to really reap the benefits of doing this hard prune, but I truly believe it's the only thing I can do. Why not wait until the tree goes dormant? You may have to trim off most of the additional growth the tree puts out because it is not growing in a favorable direction, that is straight up. Branches should go off at an angle for best fruit production. In the meanwhile, when the fruit trees go on sale in February I'll buy some and plant them in other spots. Try and buy a semi-dwarf peach tree, or even a full dwarf for other fruits like apples. Then you won't have to hack the hell out of them later. Sherwin On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 00:53:39 -0500, sherwindu wrote: Not sure where this summer pruning is taking place, but heavy pruning in the summer encourages the tree to put out lot's of new growth, usually in the form of water sprouts that grow up vertically and our not desirable. Better to wait until the tree goes dormant in late fall or early winter. Sherwin D. cat daddy wrote: "jangchub" wrote in message ... On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:35:56 -0500, Victor Martinez wrote: I'd wait until February to prune them. Let the leaves produce energy now. I agree, but peaches set fruit on new wood. So, my line of thinking was that if I cut out all the largest and oldest limbs I'd encourage new growth. Then, in February prune it back into the scaffold I have it pruned into now. An article in the Statesman yesterday about the impact of the rain had this: "....says Bill Psencik of the Psencik Peach Farm in Fredericksburg "The foliage on the trees is so dense that we will have to do a lot of summer pruning to allow adequate sunlight to enter the inside of the canopy of the trees," Psencik says. "This can have a great effect on the amount of next year's peach crop." So, apparently pruning in Summer is not a bad thing. I'm going to go take a look at Dromgool's peach orchard at the store. |
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 00:25:33 -0500, sherwindu
wrote: jangchub wrote: I know, but not all the new growth will be in the form of water spouts and it will be the new shoots which will produce the fruit next year. I have nothing to lose by trying this rehab project. The tree is producing beautiful baseball sized fruits with rot. I may have to wait two seasons to really reap the benefits of doing this hard prune, but I truly believe it's the only thing I can do. Why not wait until the tree goes dormant? You may have to trim off most of the additional growth the tree puts out because it is not growing in a favorable direction, that is straight up. Branches should go off at an angle for best fruit production. My reasoning is that I am either going to remove the tree completely, or I'm going to prune it hard. The tree will send out new shoots, of course there will be water spouts, there already are. The foliage on the tree is prolific, as is the fruit production, but only because we had a cool winter. I'm going to give it an intermediate prune this week and this way the tree will give me new shoots for fruit in spring and in Feb (when we prune our fruit in Texas) I'll do a heavier prune. I do know I will have to use some type of fungicide, but it won't be anything toxic to insects or animals. I have some research to do. Thanks for your patience with my notions. victoria |
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Victor Martinez wrote:
:) I'd love to have leather furniture, but with all our cats it would be impossible to keep it looking good for long. They are very good at scratching only on their furniture, but they do have claws and the do use them for traction when racing like wildebeasts in the Serengeti. Victor, off to yoga Going off on a different subject here, we replaced our fabric couches with leather in January and our cats (4 of 'em) rarely get on the couch any longer. The dogs (papillons) really love the leather, though, and sleep almost exclusively on the back of the couches. They seem to like the noise it makes when they jump up on it. I've been surprised how the cats avoid the couches now. -- Gary Brady Austin, TX |
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Gary Brady wrote:
Going off on a different subject here, we replaced our fabric couches with leather in January and our cats (4 of 'em) rarely get on the couch What kind of leather is it? Is it very thick and hard? We have one leather seat we inherited and the cats love to sit on it when there's a human there. -- Victor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam he Email me he |
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Victor Martinez wrote:
Gary Brady wrote: Going off on a different subject here, we replaced our fabric couches with leather in January and our cats (4 of 'em) rarely get on the couch What kind of leather is it? Is it very thick and hard? We have one leather seat we inherited and the cats love to sit on it when there's a human there. No, it's soft leather and soft cushioning material underneath. We had the idea that leather would be easier to keep clean than fabric, and that has been the case so far. Our cats don't seem to scratch much so that hasn't been a problem. But one of the dogs really likes to get up on the back and sink into the cushion. -- Gary Brady Austin, TX www.powdercoatoven.4t.com |
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:17:18 -0500, Victor Martinez
wrote: Gary Brady wrote: Going off on a different subject here, we replaced our fabric couches with leather in January and our cats (4 of 'em) rarely get on the couch What kind of leather is it? Is it very thick and hard? We have one leather seat we inherited and the cats love to sit on it when there's a human there. My leather is very heavy, but supple. It is nubuck, but lost it's nap. Very soft to the touch. It has a matte appearance. The dog liked it because it was cooler than the carpet. |
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summer pruning wont stimulate new growth, it is for shaping the tree.
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 11:01:09 -0500, "cat daddy" wrote: "The foliage on the trees is so dense that we will have to do a lot of summer pruning to allow adequate sunlight to enter the inside of the canopy of the trees," Psencik says. "This can have a great effect on the amount of next year's peach crop." So, apparently pruning in Summer is not a bad thing. |
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