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Where to buy a LARGE Live Oak?
I want to buy a large (6" or greater diameter) live oak for my S-SW Austin
backyard. Does anyone know where to get one that big, and have it installed. p.s. - I have heard about very big oaks being moved/transplanted before, even 16-24 inch and larger diameter ones, but how is this done without damaging some roots? And I don't want to deal with Teds Trees again, as they often sell lemons that die within a year. The survival of one of their trees is a 50/50 proposition, is seems, because they simply dig up sizeable trees to sell at the lot, and they are not very careful transplanting. I have several personal and neighbor experiences that will bear witness to this. Thanks! gologa |
Where to buy a LARGE Live Oak?
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It's not impossible to educate yourself using the web and a few phone calls to A&M. Next would be equipment rental................................ Good luck. wws "gologa" wrote in message ... I want to buy a large (6" or greater diameter) live oak for my S-SW Austin backyard. Does anyone know where to get one that big, and have it installed. p.s. - I have heard about very big oaks being moved/transplanted before, even 16-24 inch and larger diameter ones, but how is this done without damaging some roots? And I don't want to deal with Teds Trees again, as they often sell lemons that die within a year. The survival of one of their trees is a 50/50 proposition, is seems, because they simply dig up sizeable trees to sell at the lot, and they are not very careful transplanting. I have several personal and neighbor experiences that will bear witness to this. Thanks! gologa |
Where to buy a LARGE Live Oak?
"gologa" wrote in message ... | I want to buy a large (6" or greater diameter) live oak for my S-SW Austin | backyard. Does anyone know where to get one that big, and have it installed. | | p.s. - I have heard about very big oaks being moved/transplanted before, | even 16-24 inch and larger diameter ones, but how is this done without | damaging some roots? | And I don't want to deal with Teds Trees again, as they often sell lemons | that die within a year. The survival of one of their trees is a 50/50 | proposition, is seems, because they simply dig up sizeable trees to sell at | the lot, and they are not very careful transplanting. I have several | personal and neighbor experiences that will bear witness to this. | | Thanks! | gologa | | Live oaks grow much faster than people commonly believe. We have photos of our house from circa 1930 and the now-supergiant oaks appeared puny by comparison back then. For pecan-tree reasons we've consulted more than one arborist lately & they've confirmed what the picture evidence shows, so why not start out with trees of a size that can be managed? |
Where to buy a LARGE Live Oak?
On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:57:24 GMT, "Texensis"
wrote: Live oaks grow much faster than people commonly believe. Yes, and the occassional reference to 400 year-old specimens always rings a little funny to me. A healthy young live oak, properly transplanted should be growing at a rate of diameter increase of at least 1/2 inch per year. Thus a 2" container plant transplanted correctly with good soils and care should approach 8" diameter in less than 10 years. A little patience is much better than paying to transplant an 8" diameter tree. Rusty Mase ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
Where to buy a LARGE Live Oak?
I have to defend Ted's Trees only because I've had my own garden center where
people would return with perfectly healthy specimens and the death happened because the plants were not watered properly. Not saying you did this, but I will say with the many years of growing experience I had, over or under watering causes ninety percent of the trees to die. That said, a tree the size you are looking for will be in the 400 dollar range. The transplanted by tree spade (huge truck costing a hundred thousand dollars) can move trees the size you describe, but it can cost twenty thousand dollars. What proof do you have that Ted's Trees "dig up..." trees? Is this from the wild? Or do they heel their trees in because that would be the correct way to store large specimens? Those are some pretty big accusations and I'd like to know what proof you or neighbors have of this happening? On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:41:54 -0500, "gologa" wrote: I want to buy a large (6" or greater diameter) live oak for my S-SW Austin backyard. Does anyone know where to get one that big, and have it installed. p.s. - I have heard about very big oaks being moved/transplanted before, even 16-24 inch and larger diameter ones, but how is this done without damaging some roots? And I don't want to deal with Teds Trees again, as they often sell lemons that die within a year. The survival of one of their trees is a 50/50 proposition, is seems, because they simply dig up sizeable trees to sell at the lot, and they are not very careful transplanting. I have several personal and neighbor experiences that will bear witness to this. Thanks! gologa |
Where to buy a LARGE Live Oak?
"Rusty Mase" wrote in message ... | On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:57:24 GMT, "Texensis" | wrote: | | Live oaks grow much faster than people commonly believe. | | Yes, and the occassional reference to 400 year-old specimens always | rings a little funny to me. | | A healthy young live oak, properly transplanted should be growing at a | rate of diameter increase of at least 1/2 inch per year. Thus a 2" | container plant transplanted correctly with good soils and care should | approach 8" diameter in less than 10 years. | snip These trees, spindly and short in the photo, are now at least two and a half stories tall and not one has a trunk that anybody can come close to getting one's arms around. The canopy of each of course extends much, much farther than in the photo. |
Where to buy a LARGE Live Oak?
In article , "gologa"
wrote: I want to buy a large (6" or greater diameter) live oak for my S-SW Austin backyard. Does anyone know where to get one that big, and have it installed. p.s. - I have heard about very big oaks being moved/transplanted before, even 16-24 inch and larger diameter ones, but how is this done without damaging some roots? And I don't want to deal with Teds Trees again, as they often sell lemons that die within a year. The survival of one of their trees is a 50/50 proposition, is seems, because they simply dig up sizeable trees to sell at the lot, and they are not very careful transplanting. I have several personal and neighbor experiences that will bear witness to this. Thanks! gologa You are doing more than damaging some roots - the link I provide below (by Dr. Gary Watson from the Morton Arboretum) says that greater than 98% of the root system will be left behind when transplanting a tree of this size: he says a 4 inch caliper tree has an 18 foot root spread. If the transplant root ball is 44 inches you can see how much you have left behind. Further the article also says, that roots grow about 18 inches a year. So it will take a very long amount of time (five years) to come back in balance. Naturally, till the crown and root are in balance you need very intensive care for a sucessful transplant - clearly the people who are complaining about Teds trees may not realize how badly out of balance the root system is relative to the canopy and may not realize how intensively they need to care for the tree to compensate. Here is the link to the article: http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/fid/may97/transhck.html Roland |
Where to buy a LARGE Live Oak?
gologa wrote:
I want to buy a large (6" or greater diameter) live oak for my S-SW Austin backyard. Does anyone know where to get one that big, and have it installed. p.s. - I have heard about very big oaks being moved/transplanted before, even 16-24 inch and larger diameter ones, but how is this done without damaging some roots? It's usually never worth it to transplant a large tree. Sure, you get the immediate shade, but the tree itself will almost never recover from the shock, assuming it lives. You'll be better off getting a smaller tree and just waiting for it to grow. In a few years, you'll have something much larger than any tree that you transplant. Joe D -- Don't EVER give your wallet to a stranger. |
Where to buy a LARGE Live Oak?
They are probably referring to oaks found up north, not Live Oaks.
"Rusty Mase" wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:57:24 GMT, "Texensis" wrote: Live oaks grow much faster than people commonly believe. Yes, and the occassional reference to 400 year-old specimens always rings a little funny to me. A healthy young live oak, properly transplanted should be growing at a rate of diameter increase of at least 1/2 inch per year. Thus a 2" container plant transplanted correctly with good soils and care should approach 8" diameter in less than 10 years. A little patience is much better than paying to transplant an 8" diameter tree. Rusty Mase ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
Where to buy a LARGE Live Oak?
"Molly Fredericks" wrote in message ... | They are probably referring to oaks found up north, not Live Oaks. | | No; Texas live oak. You can see lots of evidence of this sort by picking a house you know now that has a live oak and then going to the Austin History Center and finding a photo of that house in the 1890's, 1920's, or whenever. | "Rusty Mase" wrote in message | ... | On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:57:24 GMT, "Texensis" | wrote: | | Live oaks grow much faster than people commonly believe. | | Yes, and the occassional reference to 400 year-old specimens always | rings a little funny to me. | | A healthy young live oak, properly transplanted should be growing at a | rate of diameter increase of at least 1/2 inch per year. Thus a 2" | container plant transplanted correctly with good soils and care should | approach 8" diameter in less than 10 years. | | A little patience is much better than paying to transplant an 8" | diameter tree. | | Rusty Mase | | | ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet | News==---- | http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 | Newsgroups | ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption | =--- | | |
Where to buy a LARGE Live Oak?
Texensis wrote:
No; Texas live oak. You can see lots of evidence of this sort by picking a house you know now that has a live oak and then going to the Austin History Center and finding a photo of that house in the 1890's, 1920's, or whenever. 2003 - 1890 = 113 years. Not 400. Not even close. -- Victor M. Martinez http://www.che.utexas.edu/~martiv |
Where to buy a LARGE Live Oak?
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Where to buy a LARGE Live Oak?
On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 14:47:05 GMT, animaux
wrote: I was told, and it may not be true that, live oaks are difficult to age unless you cut it down and count sections. That is true and I wonder if anyone verified the purported age of Treaty Oak by sectioning one of the larger main branches they had to remove. But I never saw a report on it and I think the politically correct position of claiming it is 400 to 700 years old was protected. I had a 36" dbh live oak that I babied for ten years after I moved in my home and it died of oak wilt in 1986. I sectioned it for aging it and then split the tree into fire wood. My best estimate was the tree was born prior to 1825 but after 1820. By about 1836, the tree was large enough for some camper to use a brace and bit to drill a hole in the tree that was used to hold a support for a cooking pot that he built a fire under - killing the bark on that side of the tree. Then someone took an adze to the tree, etc. There was alot of history buried in that wood - sort of the science of dendroarcheology as trees have the capacity of burying their wounds. By the 1870's the tree was large enough to attract other campers, including military units, as I have retrieved a number of artifacts buried in the soil under where the tree stood. That could have been George Custer, himself. Rusty Mase ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
Where to buy a LARGE Live Oak?
On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 10:43:44 -0500, Rusty Mase wrote:
I had a 36" dbh live oak that I babied for ten years after I moved in my home and it died of oak wilt in 1986. I sectioned it for aging it and then split the tree into fire wood. My best estimate was the tree was born prior to 1825 but after 1820. By about 1836, the tree was large enough for some camper to use a brace and bit to drill a hole in the tree that was used to hold a support for a cooking pot that he built a fire under - killing the bark on that side of the tree. Then someone took an adze to the tree, etc. There was alot of history buried in that wood - sort of the science of dendroarcheology as trees have the capacity of burying their wounds. By the 1870's the tree was large enough to attract other campers, including military units, as I have retrieved a number of artifacts buried in the soil under where the tree stood. That could have been George Custer, himself. Rusty Mase You raise an interesting point. I would think that could be an excellent way to determine age. That, or they may not have done it because the limb may not have been as old as the base trunk? I've personally never seen the tree. Tell me where it is? I do know the first crime I recall hearing on the news when we moved down here was about that nut who poisoned it. Fortunately, it didn't die. Anthropology and archeology are two topics I wish I would have taken more interest in when in school. I mean, there's probably just as LITTLE money in it as horticulture and growing! In growing, the only people making the money are the owners of the huge greenhouse operations. Eh, I'm tired and they're climbing the hill in Tewer Duh Frayance...said as Brooklyn as I can just for Steven! V |
Where to buy a LARGE Live Oak?
On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 02:12:37 GMT, animaux
wrote: You raise an interesting point. I would think that could be an excellent way to determine age. That, or they may not have done it because the limb may not have been as old as the base trunk? I've personally never seen the tree. Tell me where it is? Baylor St. between 6th and 7th (one block west of Lamar) For more info about the International Society of Arboriculture, please visit http://www2.champaign.isa-arbor.com/. For consumer info about tree care, visit http://www2.champaign.isa-arbor.com/.../consumer.html |
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