Hello group,
Just finished building a house in Bastrop county between Bastrop and
Mckinney Roughs. Under many of my trees are these tough vines with thorns
that don't seem to respond to vegitation killer. These vines have heart
shaped leaves which are dark green with white spots on them and grow fairly
fast and the vine sorta grows in a slight zig-zag. HOW can I get rid of
them? I am trying to rid myself of them prior to landscaping the flowerbeds
under the trees. Strange thing too they only seem to grow under the oak and
cedars..
Thanks so much!!!
John

John wrote:
|| Hello group,
|| Just finished building a house in Bastrop county between
|| Bastrop and Mckinney Roughs. Under many of my trees are
|| these tough vines with thorns that don't seem to respond to
|| vegitation killer. These vines have heart shaped leaves
|| which are dark green with white spots on them and grow fairly
|| fast and the vine sorta grows in a slight zig-zag. HOW can I
|| get rid of them? I am trying to rid myself of them prior to
|| landscaping the flowerbeds under the trees. Strange thing
|| too they only seem to grow under the oak and cedars..
|| Thanks so much!!!
|| John

Brambles ... They are a real ****er to get rid of. I would be
happy
for some ideas...

BJ

In article ,
"John" wrote:

Hello group,
Just finished building a house in Bastrop county between Bastrop and
Mckinney Roughs. Under many of my trees are these tough vines with thorns
that don't seem to respond to vegitation killer. These vines have heart
shaped leaves which are dark green with white spots on them and grow fairly
fast and the vine sorta grows in a slight zig-zag. HOW can I get rid of
them? I am trying to rid myself of them prior to landscaping the flowerbeds
under the trees. Strange thing too they only seem to grow under the oak and
cedars..
Thanks so much!!!
John



Liana vines... :-)

I usually let them grow up the trees as I find them to be pretty and
harmless. In fact, when I dig them out, I pot them for future
transplanting.

The reason they are not responding to herbicides is due to the size of
the rhizomes. Dig them out and you should find a large potato-like tuber.
The only way I've ever gotten rid of ones in the garden where I did not
want them was to dig out that root. They are not very deep.

I had a lot of them around a chinaberry tree that I had to take out of
the main garden bed.

They won't hurt your flower beds as they do like to climb. You can just
train them to go "up" the trees.

Good luck!
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Rhizome.

And they are fairly shallow.
I just dig them out and track the root runner until I find them all!


In article ,
escape wrote:

I have found nothing other than to put the pruners deep into the soil and cut
them off the minute they show up. Eventually the tuber or rhizome (not sure
which) will run out of energy and dry up.

Victoria


On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:17:16 -0600, "John"
opined:

Hello group,
Just finished building a house in Bastrop county between Bastrop and
Mckinney Roughs. Under many of my trees are these tough vines with thorns
that don't seem to respond to vegitation killer. These vines have heart
shaped leaves which are dark green with white spots on them and grow fairly
fast and the vine sorta grows in a slight zig-zag. HOW can I get rid of
them? I am trying to rid myself of them prior to landscaping the flowerbeds
under the trees. Strange thing too they only seem to grow under the oak and
cedars..
Thanks so much!!!
John







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Sprout the MungBean to reply

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see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

"Katra" wrote in message
...
Rhizome.

And they are fairly shallow.
I just dig them out and track the root runner until I find them all!


In article ,
escape wrote:

I have found nothing other than to put the pruners deep into the soil and
cut
them off the minute they show up. Eventually the tuber or rhizome (not
sure
which) will run out of energy and dry up.

Victoria


Thanks everyone, will give that a try. Need to dig anyway to prepare the
flowerbeds..
John

In article ,
"John" wrote:

"Katra" wrote in message
...
Rhizome.

And they are fairly shallow.
I just dig them out and track the root runner until I find them all!


In article ,
escape wrote:

I have found nothing other than to put the pruners deep into the soil and
cut
them off the minute they show up. Eventually the tuber or rhizome (not
sure
which) will run out of energy and dry up.

Victoria


Thanks everyone, will give that a try. Need to dig anyway to prepare the
flowerbeds..
John



Consider re-planting the fat rhizomes around a tree in a part of the
yard you want to "xeriscape" or leave wild. :-)
They really are a very pretty vine and do no damage to the trees. They
will also grow up a fence line.

Good luck!!!
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Sprout the MungBean to reply

"I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell‹you
see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

Consider re-planting the fat rhizomes around a tree in a part of the
yard you want to "xeriscape" or leave wild. :-)
They really are a very pretty vine and do no damage to the trees. They
will also grow up a fence line.

Good luck!!!
--
K.

Hello Katra,
So they don't do like the vines that totally cover trees you see along the
highways? Do they flower at all? They do have an interesting shape and
color to the leaves. Only thing they remind me of rose bushes with those
sharp thorns. All of mine are babies so I have not seen what an adult looks
like. Not sure why all of a sudden they are coming up but I don't seem to
have any "mother plants". There has never been any construction on the lot
we built on. It used to be part of a large ranch. Lots of "interesting"
plant life out here..Clumps of the oddest mushrooms I have ever seen popped
up almost over night last fall. Very odd..

Thanks again!!
John

In article ,
"John" wrote:



Consider re-planting the fat rhizomes around a tree in a part of the
yard you want to "xeriscape" or leave wild. :-)
They really are a very pretty vine and do no damage to the trees. They
will also grow up a fence line.

Good luck!!!
--
K.

Hello Katra,
So they don't do like the vines that totally cover trees you see along the
highways?

No, those are generally wild grape vines...

Do they flower at all?

Mine do, but it's not very interesting. Very tiny, bud-shaped green
blossoms. I just like the leaf shape and color.

They do have an interesting shape and
color to the leaves. Only thing they remind me of rose bushes with those
sharp thorns.

Yeah, the thorns can be annoying if you trip over one in the middle of
the yard but around trees, it's not really a problem, at least IMHO!

All of mine are babies so I have not seen what an adult looks
like.

Think "jungle" G These are a type of Liana.

Not sure why all of a sudden they are coming up but I don't seem to
have any "mother plants".

It's just that time of year. :-) It's been periodically warm enough for
them to start coming out again.

Rather than "clinging" to the trees much like English Ivy's do, they
just have thick ropes that run up the tree trunks or wrap around a bit.
I also like them on fences. They look so jungle-like and wild, I've
potted several for eventual transplant around the pond when I get a pond
put in.

To me, native plants for landscaping save me water! :-)
That is why I put wild grape on the wire fences for privacy. They (wild
grapes) tend to want to take over after awhile, but aggressive pruning
once per year about mid-summer takes care of that problem.

I also have a lot of Lantana. Beautiful flowering plant, low maintenance
and attracts butterflies.

There has never been any construction on the lot
we built on. It used to be part of a large ranch. Lots of "interesting"
plant life out here..Clumps of the oddest mushrooms I have ever seen popped
up almost over night last fall. Very odd..

Cool huh? Mushrooms indicate good, living soil!
They won't grow in poor soils.

The wild Liana's are a native plant to this area. They are all over the
place here.

To save water, consider conserving some of the prettier native plants
and working them in to your landscaping.


Thanks again!!
John

Most welcome and good luck!



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see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

Wow.
I've never found one that deep. :-)
I've never had to dig more than 10 to 12 inches down to get them!

But, my topsoil here is not very deep either. Lots of layered rocks
anywhere from 3" to 24" down. I've ended up doing mostly raised beds.

In article ,
escape wrote:

I didn't find them to be shallow. One I dug out went down about 18 inches.
Maybe that's what you are calling shallow? Either way, I just keep cutting
it
at the soil level when I weed the beds.

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:29:41 -0600, Katra
opined:

Rhizome.

And they are fairly shallow.
I just dig them out and track the root runner until I find them all!


In article ,
escape wrote:

I have found nothing other than to put the pruners deep into the soil and
cut
them off the minute they show up. Eventually the tuber or rhizome (not
sure
which) will run out of energy and dry up.

Victoria


On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:17:16 -0600, "John"
opined:

Hello group,
Just finished building a house in Bastrop county between Bastrop and
Mckinney Roughs. Under many of my trees are these tough vines with
thorns
that don't seem to respond to vegitation killer. These vines have heart
shaped leaves which are dark green with white spots on them and grow
fairly
fast and the vine sorta grows in a slight zig-zag. HOW can I get rid of
them? I am trying to rid myself of them prior to landscaping the
flowerbeds
under the trees. Strange thing too they only seem to grow under the oak
and
cedars..
Thanks so much!!!
John







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Sprout the MungBean to reply

"I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell--you
see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

I think what you are face with is Smilax, it is a vine which will take over
if you let it. Grows from a rhizome, or root which grows a foot or so under
the ground and sends up the occasional plant which then grows up into the
tree or anything else that is available. While I am more inclined to be
organic, I have found that round-up at higher concentrations ( 4 ounces of
41 percent per gallon) will after two or three applications control this
pest. I would cut the vines back and then wait for the new growth and give
them a shot of round up. If you are a dedicated organic, then get some 20%
vinegar and put 2 oz of orange oil and one tablespoon of dishwashing
liquid. Use this concoction when it really gets hot and it will kill
anything it touches in 30 minutes. Doesn't kill the roots but really does a
job on anything on top.

Good luck,

Cliff
"John" wrote in message
...
Hello group,
Just finished building a house in Bastrop county between Bastrop and
Mckinney Roughs. Under many of my trees are these tough vines with thorns
that don't seem to respond to vegitation killer. These vines have heart
shaped leaves which are dark green with white spots on them and grow
fairly fast and the vine sorta grows in a slight zig-zag. HOW can I get
rid of them? I am trying to rid myself of them prior to landscaping the
flowerbeds under the trees. Strange thing too they only seem to grow
under the oak and cedars..
Thanks so much!!!
John

Sweet... :-)
I'm betting you are down on the aluvial plains?
I'm up in the hill country.

K.

In article ,
escape wrote:

Well, I am truly blessed in that I have about 2-4 feet of soil before I hit
caliche or rock on most of the property. Who knows, it may be deeper in
parts.
Where the pool was dug, there was at least 6 feet of soil. Rich, clay soil.
Things go very deep in it!

V


On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:38:01 -0600, Katra
opined:

Wow.
I've never found one that deep. :-)
I've never had to dig more than 10 to 12 inches down to get them!

But, my topsoil here is not very deep either. Lots of layered rocks
anywhere from 3" to 24" down. I've ended up doing mostly raised beds.

In article ,
escape wrote:

I didn't find them to be shallow. One I dug out went down about 18
inches.
Maybe that's what you are calling shallow? Either way, I just keep
cutting
it
at the soil level when I weed the beds.

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:29:41 -0600, Katra
opined:

Rhizome.

And they are fairly shallow.
I just dig them out and track the root runner until I find them all!


In article ,
escape wrote:

I have found nothing other than to put the pruners deep into the soil
and
cut
them off the minute they show up. Eventually the tuber or rhizome
(not
sure
which) will run out of energy and dry up.

Victoria


On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:17:16 -0600, "John"
opined:

Hello group,
Just finished building a house in Bastrop county between Bastrop and
Mckinney Roughs. Under many of my trees are these tough vines with
thorns
that don't seem to respond to vegitation killer. These vines have
heart
shaped leaves which are dark green with white spots on them and grow
fairly
fast and the vine sorta grows in a slight zig-zag. HOW can I get rid
of
them? I am trying to rid myself of them prior to landscaping the
flowerbeds
under the trees. Strange thing too they only seem to grow under the
oak
and
cedars..
Thanks so much!!!
John







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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:32:54 GMT, escape
wrote:

I find the vinegar and orange oil only work in hot sun.

Salad dressing? The young, tender shoots of Smilax are very tasty to
nibble on but I never thought about using a salad dressing!

Rusty Mase

"Red" wrote in message
. com...
I think what you are face with is Smilax, it is a vine which will take
over if you let it. Grows from a rhizome, or root which grows a foot or so
under the ground and sends up the occasional plant which then grows up into
the tree or anything else that is available. While I am more inclined to
be organic, I have found that round-up at higher concentrations ( 4 ounces
of 41 percent per gallon) will after two or three applications control
this pest. I would cut the vines back and then wait for the new growth and
give them a shot of round up. If you are a dedicated organic, then get
some 20% vinegar and put 2 oz of orange oil and one tablespoon of
dishwashing liquid. Use this concoction when it really gets hot and it
will kill anything it touches in 30 minutes. Doesn't kill the roots but
really does a job on anything on top.

Good luck,

Cliff

Hi Cliff..
BINGO..I think you have it. I looked up the name, and found that it looks
just like what is shown here,
upper left pictu
http://www.swsbm.com/Images/New9-200...x_glauca-2.jpg

Also known as "catbriar" or "greenbriar" or "Sawbriar" and also " wild
sarsaparilla "

Here is more info on it:
http://www.cnr.vt.edu/dendro/dendrol...us/sglauca.htm

Looks like it thrives in the soil found out here in Bastrop(sandy well
drained soil over clay).
Katra also was correct in the type of root it has. Doing some web research
it's really an interesting plant and even has some medicinal properties. I
just don't want it climbing up my good trees so will work it out slowly.
Thanks to all helping me id this little bugger!!!!!
John

If you are a dedicated organic, then get some 20% vinegar
and put 2 oz of orange oil and one tablespoon of dishwashing liquid.
Use this concoction when it really gets hot and it will kill anything
it touches in 30 minutes. Doesn't kill the roots but really does a
job on anything on top.

Dishwashing soap is some pretty nasty stuff. Does it really count as
organic?

Cindy

Cindy wrote:
Dishwashing soap is some pretty nasty stuff. Does it really count as
organic?

Not all dishwashing soaps are created equal... The usual brand I see
recommended by organic folks is Ivory.

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