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Old 30-07-2005, 02:57 PM
Kay
 
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In article , Harold Walker
writes

"Mike" wrote in message
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It's never been a real newspaper. You lose 200 credibility points.
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Martin



What would you call 'a real newspaper'?


How about the Telegraph and the Guardian?


How many Telegraph readers consider the Guardian to be a 'real
newspaper'?
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Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

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Old 30-07-2005, 03:46 PM
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martin wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:05:30 +0100, "Mike Lyle"
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Jaques d'Alltrades wrote:

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But surely that only means you can't sell it as an insecticide.

You
can put anything you like on your own private non-commercial

plants,
if you can get it; but I don't want some snake-oil salesman

selling


Not if it has been banned by international treaty like DDT, or even if
it hasn't you are committing a technical offence by unlicenced use of a
toxic chemical (and make no mistake the oxalic acid from rhubarb leaves
is nasty stuff and can be absorbed through the skin).

Obviously it is much more serious where food crops are involved.

untested stuff to the public. Hell, it's bad enough that they sell
people shredders, tasteless tomatoes, and sweet peas that don't
smell.

I think you'll find that you are not permitted to use it in your
garden for that purpose.


Blimey! I'd love to read the relevant regs (or maybe I wouldn't!):
have you got a link handy?


It falls under the unlicenced use of chemicals.

The problem is not EU reg.s in UK. It's often the UK legislation & the
pedants, who enforce the regs.


In this instance it isn't such a bad idea. Rhubarb leaf extract sounds
harmless enough and is only moderately bad for you. Though probably a
better poison for mammals than for insects. But do the same to extract
nicotine from cigarettes and you could be seriously injured.

There are plenty of kitchen sink chemistry pesticide recipes on the web
that can get you into serious trouble. Plants make these toxins to kill
things that eat them or suck sap. Nature red in tooth and claw.

Regards,
Martin Brown
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Old 30-07-2005, 04:28 PM
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What would you call 'a real newspaper'?


"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

what are the requirements for a newspaper to be called 'a real newspaper'?


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Old 30-07-2005, 04:54 PM
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In article ,
Harold Walker wrote:

What would you call 'a real newspaper'?


"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

what are the requirements for a newspaper to be called 'a real newspaper'?


That it contains at least some real news?

The Telegraph is the only newspaper I have ever seen that included
a claim (e.g. some propaganda against foreigners) and an editorial,
and included IN THOSE ARTICLES proof that the claims were malicious.
My mind boggled, but apparently Telegraph readers are more adept at
doublethink.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
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Old 30-07-2005, 06:03 PM
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"Harold Walker" wrote in message
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What would you call 'a real newspaper'?


"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

what are the requirements for a newspaper to be called 'a real

newspaper'?


That it gets the fire going even when damp :~)
and I suppose it ought to have a good crossword
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Old 30-07-2005, 06:20 PM
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/homebrewed garden sprays/

I think you'll find that you are not permitted to use it in your
garden for that purpose.


Blimey! I'd love to read the relevant regs (or maybe I wouldn't!):
have you got a link handy?


No - it was widely aired on GQT three or four years ago, and AFAIK
hasn't either been dumped or used.

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Old 30-07-2005, 06:24 PM
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Oh ah? My great Grandfather was founder of the PA and editor of the
Daily Express - when it was a real newspaper.


It's never been a real newspaper. You lose 200 credibility points.


Oh yes it has. It's only since the war that it's joined the Dandy and
the Sun.


Did you read it before the war?


I have read pre-war papers.

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Old 30-07-2005, 06:28 PM
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from "Harold Walker" contains these words:

What would you call 'a real newspaper'?


"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

what are the requirements for a newspaper to be called 'a real newspaper'?


They must print (some) news. The Sport and Sunday Sport had to start
using genuine stories as well as their usual amazing revelations -
"London Transport Bus Found on the Moon", "Lancaster Bomber Found on the
Moon", Adolf Hitler Living in..." etc.

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Old 30-07-2005, 06:58 PM
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On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:20:48 +0100, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote:

The message
from "Mike Lyle" contains these words:

/homebrewed garden sprays/

I think you'll find that you are not permitted to use it in your
garden for that purpose.


Blimey! I'd love to read the relevant regs (or maybe I wouldn't!):
have you got a link handy?


No - it was widely aired on GQT three or four years ago, and AFAIK
hasn't either been dumped or used.


I think what they said was that they could not recommend it for use
but what you did in your own garden was entirely up to you! (and that
applies to a lot of things!)

Pam in Bristol
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Old 30-07-2005, 07:03 PM
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Did you read it before the war?


I have read pre-war papers.

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Curiosity.....did you read the pre-war papers after the war or before the
war when they were just printed and what war?




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Old 30-07-2005, 07:04 PM
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I think what they said was that they could not recommend it for use
but what you did in your own garden was entirely up to you! (and that
applies to a lot of things!)

Pam in Bristol


Such as..H


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Old 30-07-2005, 07:17 PM
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On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:58:47 GMT, Pam Moore
wrote:

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:20:48 +0100, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote:

The message
from "Mike Lyle" contains these words:

/homebrewed garden sprays/

I think you'll find that you are not permitted to use it in your
garden for that purpose.


Blimey! I'd love to read the relevant regs (or maybe I wouldn't!):
have you got a link handy?


No - it was widely aired on GQT three or four years ago, and AFAIK
hasn't either been dumped or used.


I think what they said was that they could not recommend it for use
but what you did in your own garden was entirely up to you! (and that
applies to a lot of things!)

Pam in Bristol


No Harry, I am not that old, but I am older than GQT which someone
mentioned in connection with rhubarb brew!
I made rhubarb wine once, but never used a brew on plants, and
certainly never thought of distilling it. Must try it!


Pam in Bristol
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Old 30-07-2005, 07:21 PM
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Pam Moore wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:20:48 +0100, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote:

The message
from "Mike Lyle" contains

these
words:

/homebrewed garden sprays/

I think you'll find that you are not permitted to use it in your
garden for that purpose.


Blimey! I'd love to read the relevant regs (or maybe I

wouldn't!):
have you got a link handy?


No - it was widely aired on GQT three or four years ago, and AFAIK
hasn't either been dumped or used.


I think what they said was that they could not recommend it for use
but what you did in your own garden was entirely up to you! (and

that
applies to a lot of things!)


I went to DEFRA, but annoyingly the Ggl text version wasn't working
at all, and the pdf got stuck (how do people get away with using only
pdf for these things anyway?). I really find it hard to believe
they'd actually forbid the home use of a decoction of rhubarb leaves.
Yes, of course oxalic acid is a thug in all sorts of ways; but an
American site told me you'd need to extract 10-12 lb of leaves to get
the lethal dose for a human -- the same as for spinach, and nobody's
banned that yet. ("I say it's spinach, and I say the hell with it!")

"Doris Edith Vowles, I have reason to believe that on the twelfth
inst you did knowingly pour a hazardous substance, namely the water
in the bottom of your spinach pan, out your kitchen window. You do
not have to say anything, but..."

Another thing I found was that, as I think Rusty hinted, the
rhubarb-leaf stuff breaks down in the environment in twenty-four
hours. (I once tried boiling up some tobacco for garden purposes, but
the smell was so unbearable that I chucked it out.)

--
Mike.


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Old 30-07-2005, 07:26 PM
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On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:04:45 -0400, "Harold Walker"
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I think what they said was that they could not recommend it for use
but what you did in your own garden was entirely up to you! (and that
applies to a lot of things!)

Pam in Bristol


Such as..H

I can grow what I like, eat what I like, etc. What did you think I
meant? Not many people grow marigolds as a crop!

Pam in Bristol
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Old 30-07-2005, 08:01 PM
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martin wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:21:05 +0100, "Mike Lyle"

[...]
hours. (I once tried boiling up some tobacco for garden purposes,

but
the smell was so unbearable that I chucked it out.)


Worse than when people smoke it?


A tough call, but in a way it was: I think because it was being
carried in steam.

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Mike.


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