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Hazel "tree's"
I have seen a hazel wood, the hazels are growing as tree's rather than
shrubs. How are they made this way as they are normally shrubs ? Hazel |
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I have seen a hazel wood, the hazels are growing as tree's rather than shrubs. How are they made this way as they are normally shrubs ? Hazels are trees and can grow to around 10 metres (http://www.treesforlife.org.uk/tfl.hazel.html). The ones you see as bushes are like that as they are usually coppiced. Brian |
Hazel wrote: I have seen a hazel wood, the hazels are growing as tree's rather than shrubs. How are they made this way as they are normally shrubs ? Hazels are trees and can grow to around 10 metres (http://www.treesforlife.org.uk/tfl.hazel.html). The ones you see as bushes are like that as they are usually coppiced. Brian I will quote from the link you gave "Typically it has a number of shoots or trunks branching out at, or just above, ground level, and this growth habit has led to some people referring to it as a bush rather than a tree, because it doesn't meet the strict definition for a tree, of having a single stem that is unbranched near the ground." I know they grow like that ^^, My three tree guides all give them as multistemmed plants.The distinction between shrub and tree has nothing to do with the size plants attain To grow them, with a single trunk I assume all the side shoots have to be removed, is this needed for the life of the plant ? Hazel |
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from "Hazel" contains these words: Hazel wrote: I have seen a hazel wood, the hazels are growing as tree's rather than shrubs. How are they made this way as they are normally shrubs ? Hazels are trees and can grow to around 10 metres (http://www.treesforlife.org.uk/tfl.hazel.html). The ones you see as bushes are like that as they are usually coppiced. Brian I will quote from the link you gave "Typically it has a number of shoots or trunks branching out at, or just above, ground level, and this growth habit has led to some people referring to it as a bush rather than a tree, because it doesn't meet the strict definition for a tree, of having a single stem that is unbranched near the ground." I know they grow like that ^^, My three tree guides all give them as multistemmed plants.The distinction between shrub and tree has nothing to do with the size plants attain To grow them, with a single trunk I assume all the side shoots have to be removed, is this needed for the life of the plant ? It would be, yes. Standard-trunk hazels would also constantly produce suckers from below ground, which would have to be removed. I'm wondering if what you saw were alders, far more likely to be grown in a plantation of single trunk trees. Young alders look fairly similar to hazel in bark and leaf. Janet |
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Brian wrote: Hazel wrote: I have seen a hazel wood, the hazels are growing as tree's rather than shrubs. How are they made this way as they are normally shrubs ? Hazels are trees and can grow to around 10 metres (http://www.treesforlife.org.uk/tfl.hazel.html). The ones you see as bushes are like that as they are usually coppiced. This is a FAQ, but nobody has got around to writing it up. There is no hard difference between trees and shrubs, and many plants (like hazel and bay) are naturally "multi-stemmed trees". At the other extreme, you get shrubs like butcher's broom, periwinkle and brambles, which verge towards the herbaceous. But back to hazel. It will typically grow, initially, with a single stem. But it will also sucker, especially when the main stem(s) are cut back. If there is enough light low down, those suckers will form into separate stems; if not, it may continue with a single stem. Coppicing will cause suckering, but most hazel plants will develop multiple stems naturally. So the answer is the combination of the plant having an established stem and the lack of light under the canopy means that the secondary stems do not develop. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
"Hazel" wrote in message ... I have seen a hazel wood, the hazels are growing as tree's rather than shrubs. How are they made this way as they are normally shrubs ? growing as tree is what? Or do you mean trees (plurals have no apostrophes) |
In article , Janet Baraclough writes: | The message | from "Hazel" contains these words: | | To grow them, with a single trunk I assume all the side shoots have to be | removed, is this needed for the life of the plant ? | | It would be, yes. Standard-trunk hazels would also constantly produce | suckers from below ground, which would have to be removed. Usually, but not always. An established hazel in a wood with a fairly solid canopy doesn't sucker all that much, and most suckers die off. Even my hazels (in the 'open') don't ALL sucker. | I'm wondering if what you saw were alders, far more likely to be grown | in a plantation of single trunk trees. Young alders look fairly similar | to hazel in bark and leaf. If they were ALL single-stemmed, that seems likely. If only SOME were, they could still be hazels. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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| | To grow them, with a single trunk I assume all the side shoots have to be | removed, is this needed for the life of the plant ? | | It would be, yes. Standard-trunk hazels would also constantly produce | suckers from below ground, which would have to be removed. Usually, but not always. An established hazel in a wood with a fairly solid canopy doesn't sucker all that much, and most suckers die off. Even my hazels (in the 'open') don't ALL sucker. | I'm wondering if what you saw were alders, far more likely to be grown | in a plantation of single trunk trees. Young alders look fairly similar | to hazel in bark and leaf. If they were ALL single-stemmed, that seems likely. If only SOME were, they could still be hazels. Regards, Nick Maclaren. They were hazels, a photo in an article in an old copy of "Country Life" iirc Hazel |
"Hazel" wrote in message ... I have seen a hazel wood, the hazels are growing as tree's rather than shrubs. How are they made this way as they are normally shrubs ? growing as tree is what? Or do you mean trees (plurals have no apostrophes) As a tree, ie a single trunk Hazel |
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Jaques d'Alltrades wrote: Usually, but not always. An established hazel in a wood with a fairly solid canopy doesn't sucker all that much, and most suckers die off. Even my hazels (in the 'open') don't ALL sucker. I've never seen one that doesn't grow as a multi-stemmed tree/shrub eventually, especially in a woodland environment - and yes, I've been involved with woodland management since 1956, and I still am. I have. In fact, I am pretty sure I have one at present. If they were ALL single-stemmed, that seems likely. If only SOME were, they could still be hazels. But managed. Then the question is, what the hell for? As I say, not necessarily. If most of them were single-stemmed, I would assume that they were planted from a clone that tends not to sucker. I am sure that someone has selected such a clone in the past, given natural variation and human, er, deviance. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Nick Maclaren wrote: In article , Jaques d'Alltrades wrote: I've never seen one that doesn't grow as a multi-stemmed tree/shrub eventually, especially in a woodland environment - and yes, I've been involved with woodland management since 1956, and I still am. I have. In fact, I am pretty sure I have one at present. I do. Out of under a dozen. If they were ALL single-stemmed, that seems likely. If only SOME were, they could still be hazels. But managed. Then the question is, what the hell for? As I say, not necessarily. If most of them were single-stemmed, I would assume that they were planted from a clone that tends not to sucker. I am sure that someone has selected such a clone in the past, given natural variation and human, er, deviance. Both Bean and CTW say that Corylus avellana occasionally grows as a tree. If there were a large number of them, I would bet on them being cuttings taken from a largely non-suckering clone. I agree that the question is, what the hell for? Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Jaques d'Alltrades wrote: I've never seen one that doesn't grow as a multi-stemmed tree/shrub eventually, especially in a woodland environment - and yes, I've been involved with woodland management since 1956, and I still am. I have. In fact, I am pretty sure I have one at present. I do. Out of under a dozen. If they were ALL single-stemmed, that seems likely. If only SOME were, they could still be hazels. But managed. Then the question is, what the hell for? As I say, not necessarily. If most of them were single-stemmed, I would assume that they were planted from a clone that tends not to sucker. I am sure that someone has selected such a clone in the past, given natural variation and human, er, deviance. Both Bean and CTW say that Corylus avellana occasionally grows as a tree. If there were a large number of them, I would bet on them being cuttings taken from a largely non-suckering clone. I agree that the question is, what the hell for? Regards, Nick Maclaren. Well, managed for their nuts would you believe. Hazel |
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writes Jaques d'Alltrades wrote: I've never seen one that doesn't grow as a multi-stemmed tree/shrub eventually, especially in a woodland environment - and yes, I've been involved with woodland management since 1956, and I still am. I have. In fact, I am pretty sure I have one at present. I do. Out of under a dozen. If they were ALL single-stemmed, that seems likely. If only SOME were, they could still be hazels. But managed. Then the question is, what the hell for? As I say, not necessarily. If most of them were single-stemmed, I would assume that they were planted from a clone that tends not to sucker. I am sure that someone has selected such a clone in the past, given natural variation and human, er, deviance. Both Bean and CTW say that Corylus avellana occasionally grows as a tree. If there were a large number of them, I would bet on them being cuttings taken from a largely non-suckering clone. I agree that the question is, what the hell for? Well, managed for their nuts would you believe. So what advantage in terms of nuts does a single stemmed tree confer over and above a multi stemmed bush? -- Kay "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" |
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