OE message rules.
 

I've more than once tried to set up a "delete on receipt" rule for
messages whose "From" line contains certain groups. It doesn't work.
Is this because I'm doing something wrong, or because it's another
one of those M$ features which don't work for anybody?

--
Mike.

I've more than once tried to set up a "delete on receipt" rule for
messages whose "From" line contains certain groups. It doesn't work.
Is this because I'm doing something wrong, or because it's another
one of those M$ features which don't work for anybody?

--
Mike.
Have you tried weedkiller :-)

In message , Mike Lyle
writes
I've more than once tried to set up a "delete on receipt" rule for
messages whose "From" line contains certain groups. It doesn't work.

From: header lines don't contain groups, so that's to be expected.
--
Ian Cummings

Ian Cummings wrote:
In message , Mike Lyle
writes
I've more than once tried to set up a "delete on receipt" rule for
messages whose "From" line contains certain groups. It doesn't
work.

From: header lines don't contain groups, so that's to be expected.

OK, what OE offers is "Where message is on specified newsgroup". And
it doesn't work. But I imagine you knew I meant that. So what do you
suggest I do?

--
Mike.

In message , Mike Lyle
writes
Ian Cummings wrote:
In message , Mike Lyle
writes

I've more than once tried to set up a "delete on receipt" rule for
messages whose "From" line contains certain groups. It doesn't
work.

From: header lines don't contain groups, so that's to be expected.

OK, what OE offers is "Where message is on specified newsgroup".

Ah - that's not the From: header line.

And
it doesn't work. But I imagine you knew I meant that.

I know what you want to do, yes.

I read your words, noted that what you wrote won't to what you want, and
said so.

So what do you
suggest I do?

Do you have any other rules that might be somehow overriding that one ?
Does the rule work if you modify it to (say) move matching articles to
another folder, rather than delete them ?
I've seen suggestions that you may need to finish the rule with a "stop
processing rules".
I've seen it said that what you want is only possible (with OE) if the
groups are subscribed !!!

But I don't use OE myself...

I suggest you take a look at the many OE related websites -
URL:http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com for example - or ask in a
specialist OE newsgroup.

Regards,
--
Ian Cummings

Ian Cummings wrote:
[...]
Do you have any other rules that might be somehow overriding that
one
? Does the rule work if you modify it to (say) move matching
articles
to another folder, rather than delete them ?
I've seen suggestions that you may need to finish the rule with a
"stop processing rules".
I've seen it said that what you want is only possible (with OE) if
the
groups are subscribed !!!

But I don't use OE myself...

I suggest you take a look at the many OE related websites -
URL:http://www.insideoutlookexpress.com for example - or ask in a
specialist OE newsgroup.

Thanks. I'll look into those angles. (And, yes, OE's clunky way of
blocking messages from specified groups _does_ require you to
subscribe and then instruct the program to delete all messages from
them. My suspicion at present is that it actually carries out the
instruction only for messages _originating_ from the specified group.
OE is of no interest to M$.)

--
Mike.

On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:35:55 +0100, "Mike Lyle"
wrote:



Thanks. I'll look into those angles. (And, yes, OE's clunky way of
blocking messages from specified groups _does_ require you to
subscribe and then instruct the program to delete all messages from
them. My suspicion at present is that it actually carries out the
instruction only for messages _originating_ from the specified group.
OE is of no interest to M$.)

Mike, I've been interested by your posts and am obviously missing the
point. What is the purpose of subscribing to a group and then deleting
the messages ? I have even set up OE again to see how it functions -
I use Agent - and the rule works if you, for example set the messages
to be a certain colour, but are only deleted if you access the rule
and click on ' Apply now ' when it works.

I suspect it is just a quirk, to avoid having a separate list of
instructions, simply for Newsgroups.

Andy

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:50:15 +0100, Mike Lyle wrote:

I've more than once tried to set up a "delete on receipt" rule for
messages whose "From" line contains certain groups. It doesn't work.
Is this because I'm doing something wrong, or because it's another
one of those M$ features which don't work for anybody?

I have a ruleset which works for 'uk.rec.yorkshire' (which used to be a
source of idiot X-posts).

"Apply this rule after the message arrives
Where the message is on uk.local.yorkshire newsgroup
Delete it "

I am now just starting out with Pan because of the much better rule set.

However I have found it a little fragile under Windows; it seems rock
solid under Linux.

HTH
Dave R

On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:34:42 +0100, Andy Pandy
wrote:



Thanks. I'll look into those angles. (And, yes, OE's clunky way of
blocking messages from specified groups _does_ require you to
subscribe and then instruct the program to delete all messages from
them. My suspicion at present is that it actually carries out the
instruction only for messages _originating_ from the specified group.
OE is of no interest to M$.)

Mike, I've been interested by your posts and am obviously missing the
point. What is the purpose of subscribing to a group and then deleting
the messages ? I have even set up OE again to see how it functions -
I use Agent - and the rule works if you, for example set the messages
to be a certain colour, but are only deleted if you access the rule
and click on ' Apply now ' when it works.

I suspect it is just a quirk, to avoid having a separate list of
instructions, simply for Newsgroups.

Andy

Whoops ! I see what you want to do now and I'm off to have a play.

Andy

On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:34:42 +0100, Andy Pandy wrote:

snip
Mike, I've been interested by your posts and am obviously missing the
point. What is the purpose of subscribing to a group and then deleting
the messages ?
snip

This particular rule can only be set up by 'point and click' in a list of
subscribed news groups.

Thus you have to subscribe to the news group before you can include it in
a ruleset.

Seems damn stupid to me.

I can't remember if I tried unsubscribing after activating the rule; I
note I am still subscribed to the NG in question.

Effectively you get a NG which never has anything in, as you delete all
articles as they are downloaded.

However it does delete all articles which are cross-posted to other NGs,
which is the ultimate aim.

HTH

Dave R

David W.E. Roberts wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:50:15 +0100, Mike Lyle wrote:

I've more than once tried to set up a "delete on receipt" rule for
messages whose "From" line contains certain groups. It doesn't
work.
Is this because I'm doing something wrong, or because it's another
one of those M$ features which don't work for anybody?

I have a ruleset which works for 'uk.rec.yorkshire' (which used to
be
a source of idiot X-posts).

"Apply this rule after the message arrives
Where the message is on uk.local.yorkshire newsgroup
Delete it "

I am now just starting out with Pan because of the much better rule
set.

However I have found it a little fragile under Windows; it seems
rock
solid under Linux.

That's exactly what I've been doing, without the required result. I'm
using WinXP Home. Demon.local is one of the groups I've blocked, and
I duly get an empty screen if I click on demon.local in the OE
folders list; but messages cross-posted there still appear in the
newsgroups I read.

Do you think there's anything in my speculation that the system is
blocking only messages which _originated_ in the blocked group? I
haven't got any trolls on the screen at present, so I can't readily
check for that.

--
Mike.

Andy Pandy wrote:
[...]
Whoops ! I see what you want to do now and I'm off to have a play.

See my reply to David WER just now.

--
Mike.

In message , Mike Lyle
writes

Do you think there's anything in my speculation that the system is
blocking only messages which _originated_ in the blocked group?

I doubt it - you'll just get an article with one or more groups in the
Newsgroups: header. There's no way of telling which group the poster was
reading when s/he initiated the reply.
--
Ian Cummings

On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:48:33 +0100, Mike Lyle wrote:

David W.E. Roberts wrote:
snip
That's exactly what I've been doing, without the required result. I'm
using WinXP Home. Demon.local is one of the groups I've blocked, and
I duly get an empty screen if I click on demon.local in the OE
folders list; but messages cross-posted there still appear in the
newsgroups I read.
snip

I am on Win2K SP4 and my OE is 6.00.2800.1123

Don't know if the XP version is different.

HTH
Dave R

On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:48:33 +0100, "Mike Lyle"
wrote:

David W.E. Roberts wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:50:15 +0100, Mike Lyle wrote:

I've more than once tried to set up a "delete on receipt" rule for
messages whose "From" line contains certain groups. It doesn't
work.
Is this because I'm doing something wrong, or because it's another
one of those M$ features which don't work for anybody?

I have a ruleset which works for 'uk.rec.yorkshire' (which used to
be
a source of idiot X-posts).

"Apply this rule after the message arrives
Where the message is on uk.local.yorkshire newsgroup
Delete it "

I am now just starting out with Pan because of the much better rule
set.

However I have found it a little fragile under Windows; it seems
rock
solid under Linux.

That's exactly what I've been doing, without the required result. I'm
using WinXP Home. Demon.local is one of the groups I've blocked, and
I duly get an empty screen if I click on demon.local in the OE
folders list; but messages cross-posted there still appear in the
newsgroups I read.

Do you think there's anything in my speculation that the system is
blocking only messages which _originated_ in the blocked group? I
haven't got any trolls on the screen at present, so I can't readily
check for that.

PLONKa