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Snowdrop planting
Yesterday I received a shipment of snowdrops in the green. I know snowdrops
need to be planted immediately and not allowed to dry out. The area where I want to plant the snowdrops already has spring bulbs which are either in bloom or soon will be, so I can't plant the snowdrops there without disturbing these other spring bulbs. My question is, can I plant the snowdrops into containers for a month or two, and then replant them into their permanent place in the border? Thanks. |
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"Jack" wrote in message ... Yesterday I received a shipment of snowdrops in the green. I know snowdrops need to be planted immediately and not allowed to dry out. The area where I want to plant the snowdrops already has spring bulbs which are either in bloom or soon will be, so I can't plant the snowdrops there without disturbing these other spring bulbs. My question is, can I plant the snowdrops into containers for a month or two, and then replant them into their permanent place in the border? Thanks. Yes "~) Jenny |
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from "JennyC" contains these words: "Jack" wrote in message ... Yesterday I received a shipment of snowdrops in the green. I know snowdrops need to be planted immediately and not allowed to dry out. The area where I want to plant the snowdrops already has spring bulbs which are either in bloom or soon will be, so I can't plant the snowdrops there without disturbing these other spring bulbs. My question is, can I plant the snowdrops into containers for a month or two, and then replant them into their permanent place in the border? Thanks. Yes "~) Jenny Sorry, don't agree. By the time you plant out the snowdrops they will have lost their foliage so you negate the whole point of buying them in the green, which is that snowdrops with full leaves and roots take well to transplanting; bare snowdrop bulbs often have a much lower success rate. I would plant them now, dividing them into small clumps of 3 or 4 bulbs, and plant them using a large knife to make the smallest possible planting slit in spaces between your other bulbs. Slide the snowdrops in and press the slit closed with your hand. It's a method I've used successfully to plant thousands of snowdrops. Janet. |
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In article , Jack
writes Thanks for the reply, Janet. What if I plant the snowdrops into pots and leave them there until after next year's flowering? One year I dug up lots of them, after flowering, and put them in pots with lots of soil because my mother wanted some (snowdrops, that is). These were then put in my mother's garden in summer ie I just dug a hole the size of a pot, removed the pot and popped the whole lot in the hole. The snowdrops flowered perfectly well the following winter. You go ahead and put them in pots - even plant them later this year (but don't disturb the root system that has formed in the pot) and you'll be ok. -- Jane Ransom in Lancaster. I won't respond to private emails that are on topic for urg but if you need to email me for any other reason, put jandg dot demon dot co dot uk where you see deadspam.com |
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Thanks, Jane. That's what I'll do.
One more question - will snowdrops grow through a lawn? I planted some anemone blanda in my lawn and none of them have come up, so I'm wondering if snowdrops will struggle to get through the grass too. Regards "Jane Ransom" wrote in message ... In article , Jack writes Thanks for the reply, Janet. What if I plant the snowdrops into pots and leave them there until after next year's flowering? One year I dug up lots of them, after flowering, and put them in pots with lots of soil because my mother wanted some (snowdrops, that is). These were then put in my mother's garden in summer ie I just dug a hole the size of a pot, removed the pot and popped the whole lot in the hole. The snowdrops flowered perfectly well the following winter. You go ahead and put them in pots - even plant them later this year (but don't disturb the root system that has formed in the pot) and you'll be ok. -- Jane Ransom in Lancaster. I won't respond to private emails that are on topic for urg but if you need to email me for any other reason, put jandg dot demon dot co dot uk where you see deadspam.com |
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In article , Jack
writes Thanks, Jane. That's what I'll do. One more question - will snowdrops grow through a lawn? I planted some anemone blanda in my lawn and none of them have come up, so I'm wondering if snowdrops will struggle to get through the grass too. They certainly will - they are a nuisance too!! ie you must not mow them until the leaves have died right back. Sometimes this takes until June (daffs sometimes until July). Then the patch of lawn looks a mess for ages :(( -- Jane Ransom in Lancaster. I won't respond to private emails that are on topic for urg but if you need to email me for any other reason, put jandg dot demon dot co dot uk where you see deadspam.com |
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In article , Jack
writes Thanks, Jane. That's what I'll do. One more question - will snowdrops grow through a lawn? I planted some anemone blanda in my lawn and none of them have come up, so I'm wondering if snowdrops will struggle to get through the grass too. I read in a Hessayon book at the weekend that snowdrops will compete successfully with the fine grasses in a woodland setting but not with the vigorous grasses of a lawn. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/garden/ |
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In article , Kay Easton
writes I read in a Hessayon book at the weekend that snowdrops will compete successfully with the fine grasses in a woodland setting but not with the vigorous grasses of a lawn. Well, we have them in the lawn, but then maybe they survive because the lawn is not a top notch one!! -- Jane Ransom in Lancaster. I won't respond to private emails that are on topic for urg but if you need to email me for any other reason, put jandg dot demon dot co dot uk where you see deadspam.com |
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On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:30:39 +0000, Jane Ransom wrote:
They certainly will - they are a nuisance too!! ie you must not mow them until the leaves have died right back. Well (re)plant them so they are in random clumps a mower or strimmers width apart. Then you can get the mower/strimmer between them too keep the grass down and leave the leaves to feed the bulbs. This is what we have on the front bit of grass, seems to work quite well and the odd small "accident" with the strimmer doesn't seem to unduly worry them. -- Cheers Dave. Remove "spam" for valid email. |
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On Sun, 16 Mar 2003 22:38:50 GMT, Janet Baraclough wrote:
...By the time you plant out the snowdrops they will have lost their foliage so you negate the whole point of buying them in the green, which is that snowdrops with full leaves and roots take well to transplanting; bare snowdrop bulbs often have a much lower success rate. The thing snowdrops don't like is the ----long---- drying out the usual bulb trade processes subject them to. Potting them up now and planting them out directly from the pot into the garden later on in the season avoids harmful desiccation as well as planting in the green. But I'm curious if anyone knows for sure if snowdrop roots are perennial or annual? The spring snowflake, /Leucojum vernum/, a very close relative to the snowdrop, is much worse about being dried out. I've planted roughly two hundred bulbs of it over the last fifteen years but only a very few have survived and established themselves. Close observation of the survivors leads me to think that L.v. bulbs should first be rehydrated by soaking in water after reception (they usually in a flabby when you get them), and then planted quite deep. The bulbs, though small, have quite long necks. I suspect that overly-shallow planting is one of the causes of my many failures. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada |
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On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:23:52 -0000, Jack wrote:
One more question - will snowdrops grow through a lawn? I planted some anemone blanda in my lawn and none of them have come up, so I'm wondering if snowdrops will struggle to get through the grass too. Although lots of gardening books yap about overplanting bulbs, I was advised by a very experienced bulb grower that by and large bulbs do not like overplanting. The over-plant competes with the bulbs, and by shading the soil prevents proper warm summer dormancy. Grass probably qualifies as an overplanting, except in the case of some of the larger, more strongly growing daffodils. Counterexample: Crocus vernus naturalized in a local park's lawns. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada |
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My snowdrops have done quite well on my lawn. Is this a good time to
dig them up and separate the clumps? Lazarus |
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On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:32:21 +0000, Kay Easton
wrotc: I read in a Hessayon book at the weekend that snowdrops will compete successfully with the fine grasses in a woodland setting but not with the vigorous grasses of a lawn. The best show of snowdrops I have seen was under a deciduous tree - in clumps amid a carpet of aconites (Eranthis). The eranthis was one of the paler gold species and the effect was "a picture" on a frosty spring morning. I should add that the show was not right up by the bole of the tree but in a halo around the drip circle. Hussein Grow a little garden |
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(Rodger Whitlock) wrote in
: On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:23:52 -0000, Jack wrote: One more question - will snowdrops grow through a lawn? I planted some anemone blanda in my lawn and none of them have come up, so I'm wondering if snowdrops will struggle to get through the grass too. Although lots of gardening books yap about overplanting bulbs, I was advised by a very experienced bulb grower that by and large bulbs do not like overplanting. The over-plant competes with the bulbs, and by shading the soil prevents proper warm summer dormancy. Grass probably qualifies as an overplanting, except in the case of some of the larger, more strongly growing daffodils. Oodles of example of all sorts of daffs, crocuses and snowdrops planted very successfully under grass round here, and thriving year on year. Best example I've seen recently: an old churchyard in Dulverton, Somerset, with oak trees dotted about, and longish grass absolutely glowing purple with crocuses - not just clumps, but a vast lawn of them. A fabulous sight, and I presume largely down to natural spread because buying and planting that many bulbs would be beyond the resources of most churches - and they were all the same variety, too. I have a snowdrop bank which is heavily shaded by holly and hazel trees and north-facing to boot. I wouldn't have planted snowdrops there myself - I'd have thought it was too shady. They have found their own way there from next door (and I am very happy about that!) I'm sure there are bulbs that prefer not to be overplanted, but I am confident the common tough types positively thrive on it - here at least. Victoria -- South East Cornwall |
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from (Rodger Whitlock) contains these words: On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:23:52 -0000, Jack wrote: One more question - will snowdrops grow through a lawn? I planted some anemone blanda in my lawn and none of them have come up, so I'm wondering if snowdrops will struggle to get through the grass too. Snowdrops will do fine. AB can be a bit miffy; I've never managed to get them to flower even in their first season, (in acid soil and a high rainfall area). Although lots of gardening books yap about overplanting bulbs, I was advised by a very experienced bulb grower that by and large bulbs do not like overplanting. The over-plant competes with the bulbs, and by shading the soil prevents proper warm summer dormancy. Grass probably qualifies as an overplanting, except in the case of some of the larger, more strongly growing daffodils. Counterexample: Crocus vernus naturalized in a local park's lawns. That advice must be a result of your slightly different climate in summer. In the UK many underplanted, shaded bulbs do very well; bluebell, snowdrop and wild daffodil woods would be a prime example. All those bulbs do just as well in open rough grassland/grazing, wherever the soil is not very dry in summer...and self seed there. Snakeshead fritillaries grow in dampish grazing meadows too. Municipal mown-grass road verges, parks and green spaces all over the UK are a glory of densely planted crocus and narcissi atm, thriving on no supplementary feeding and usually, only a few weeks of post-flowering leaf growth before mowing begins.The bulbs multiply from year to year but seldom get chance to spread by seeding, because of the early mowing. Isn't camassia native to you? They do extremely well here, planted under rough grass, and even self-seed into it. Janet. |
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from (Rodger Whitlock) contains these words: But I'm curious if anyone knows for sure if snowdrop roots are perennial or annual? Annual, but it's a very long season (like narcissi, which start making their new roots by midsummer). In our last garden we had many thousands of each naturalised, so inevitably some got dug up in summer by dogs, moles, or me :-o The spring snowflake, /Leucojum vernum/, a very close relative to the snowdrop, is much worse about being dried out. I've planted roughly two hundred bulbs of it over the last fifteen years but only a very few have survived and established themselves. In the same garden, I planted 50 Lv in 1988; only about 10 of them survived. They flowered but didn't seem to increase so never made a show worth having. The ones that lived, were planted in a *very* soggy bit of a wooded area. I think you are right, they are very sensitive to dry conditions. Janet. |
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In article , Janet Baraclough writes: | | One more question - will snowdrops grow through a lawn? I planted some | anemone blanda in my lawn and none of them have come up, so I'm | wondering if | snowdrops will struggle to get through the grass too. | | Snowdrops will do fine. AB can be a bit miffy; I've never managed to | get them to flower even in their first season, (in acid soil and a high | rainfall area). They do fine here. Nearly neutral soil and not so wet :-) Regards, Nick Maclaren, University of Cambridge Computing Service, New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QH, England. Email: Tel.: +44 1223 334761 Fax: +44 1223 334679 |
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On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:37:31 GMT, Janet Baraclough wrote:
The message from (Rodger Whitlock) contains these words: Snowdrops will do fine. AB [Anemone blanda] can be a bit miffy; I've never managed to get them to flower even in their first season, (in acid soil and a high rainfall area). Try putting some lime -- ground limestone, chalk, etc -- on them. I have the impression that these Greek plants are calciophiles Although lots of gardening books yap about overplanting bulbs, I was advised by a very experienced bulb grower that by and large bulbs do not like overplanting. The over-plant competes with the bulbs, and by shading the soil prevents proper warm summer dormancy. Grass probably qualifies as an overplanting, except in the case of some of the larger, more strongly growing daffodils. Counterexample: Crocus vernus naturalized in a local park's lawns. That advice must be a result of your slightly different climate in summer. In the UK many underplanted, shaded bulbs do very well; bluebell, snowdrop and wild daffodil woods would be a prime example. All those bulbs do just as well in open rough grassland/grazing, wherever the soil is not very dry in summer...and self seed there. Snakeshead fritillaries grow in dampish grazing meadows too. I have a long (300') lane as the approach to my property. It is quite shaded, with vigorous trees, shrubs, etc -- wild uncultivated stuff. And yes, snowdrops do well there, along with stray narcissus. I think I may have misstated something here. Oops. Isn't camassia native to you? They do extremely well here, planted under rough grass, and even self-seed into it. Oh, *those* weedy pests! Two species are locally native, Camassia quamash and Camassia leichtlinii ssp suksdorfii. I don't consider them garden worthy because every seed germinates and the bulbs take themselves to quite a depth! They're not as bad as, say, Nothoscordum inodorum, but only because they don't multiply vegetatively. I once grew from seed C. leichtlinii ssp leichtlinii (the creamy form from Oregon -- ssp. suksdorfii is deep blue-violet) and have been trying to get rid of it ever since. I think it's a lost cause. Far better to get one of the seed-sterile Dutch clones. I have one that is very good, with the great advantage of not seeding about -- possibly "Blue Danube" but I'm not certain. My defective memory says it was named after some European royal female, but the Plantfinder shows no likely candidate under such a name. At one time I went out and searched for white-flowered specimens of camas, and brought a number of them (and some pale blues) into the garden. I now have an ineradicable patch in one corner. I suspect there are plum-coloured and pink forms in the wild, but haven't actually found one. Camas bulbs are edible. Steam them. They look and taste like old-fashioned library paste when cooked. -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada |
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"Rodger Whitlock" wrote in message ... Camas bulbs are edible. Steam them. They look and taste like old-fashioned library paste when cooked. LOL Yummmmmmm Ophelia Scotland |
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I've had my garden for about six years and never had nor planted
snowdrops in the back garden - we have a small clump in the front garden under a shrub. This year we discovered a small clump of flowering snowdrops in the back garden - would these have started from seed, perhaps carried by birds? -- Joe Farrugia, London |
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In message , Joe
was banging on about I've had my garden for about six years and never had nor planted snowdrops in the back garden - we have a small clump in the front garden under a shrub. This year we discovered a small clump of flowering snowdrops in the back garden The swallow may fly south with the sun, or the house martin or the plover may seek warmer climes in winter yet these are not strangers to our lands. -- R. McGeddon "But I can't think for you - You'll have to decide, Whether Judas Iscariot had God on his side." [Bob Dylan 1963] |
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Joe writes:
I've had my garden for about six years and never had nor planted snowdrops in the back garden - we have a small clump in the front garden under a shrub. This year we discovered a small clump of flowering snowdrops in the back garden - would these have started from seed, perhaps carried by birds? Perhaps a squirrel did it. -- Joe Farrugia, London Alan -- Alan Williams, Room IT301, Department of Computer Science, University of Manchester, Oxford Road, Manchester, M13 9PL, U.K. Tel: +44 161 275 6270 Fax: +44 161 275 6280 |
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