Hi

I am starting a garden in a new build house, the main part of the
garden measures approx 11M deep X 17M long. This garden is in a windy
seaside location, I have currently laid the whole garden to lawn with
the intention of "carving it up" with some sort of design next spring.

Since the garden is flat and bounded by brick walls and fences I would
like to use plants to soften the these hard edges and give the garden
some height. As a start I would like to plant some standard trees this
autumn, (my wife likes apples).

Any suggestions as to what types of apple tree would be suitable for
my garden, what size should I buy and when should I plant my tree(s).

TIA

Paul

Paul wrote:
Hi

I am starting a garden in a new build house, the main part of the
garden measures approx 11M deep X 17M long. This garden is in a windy
seaside location, I have currently laid the whole garden to lawn with
the intention of "carving it up" with some sort of design next spring.

Not what you are asking i know, bur when you come to carve it up: Design the
shape of the lawn and plant the bits that are left, nit designt the shape of
the beds. Reason? The only shape you will see when all is planted is the
open space of the lawn the bed shapes re irrelevant.

pk

In article , Paul
writes
Hi

I am starting a garden in a new build house, the main part of the
garden measures approx 11M deep X 17M long. This garden is in a windy
seaside location, I have currently laid the whole garden to lawn with
the intention of "carving it up" with some sort of design next spring.

Since the garden is flat and bounded by brick walls and fences I would
like to use plants to soften the these hard edges and give the garden
some height. As a start I would like to plant some standard trees this
autumn, (my wife likes apples).

Any suggestions as to what types of apple tree would be suitable for
my garden, what size should I buy and when should I plant my tree(s).

Buy bare rooted trees now and plant in the next few weeks. Get a
catalogue from a specialist fruit supplier rather than relying on your
garden centre. I use Scotts of Merriott, who have several hundred
varieties of apple each with a description of taste and site
preferences.

First thing with apples is that they don't pollinate themselves, so you
need to make sure there are at least two flowering at each period. The
catalogue listing/plant label with give you the flowering period.

The earliest apples are ready for picking in August but tend to last for
only a few weeks. Other varieties are ready later, right through to
March, and the later ones tend to have a longer period when they're good
for eating.

You need to think about what proportion of cookers and eaters you want,
and what flavours you like - some gardens and agricultural places hold
'apple days' where you can taste different varieties. Growing your own
is a great opportunity for growing varieties that you can't get in the
shops with tastes ranging from crisp and juicy through to highly spiced.

I can't advice on varieties, as I'm inland, cold and wet, so quite
different from you. Avoid Cox - it's difficult to grow well in a garden.

Someone else will tell you about rootstocks - all apples are grafted on
to a rootstock, and the type of rootstock determines how big the tree
grows.
--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

I would also suggest that you pick one that is resistant to rust and blight,
especially if there are any cedar trees within 2 km up wind of your yard.
When you say "standard trees", do you mean the regular apples, or do you
mean trees that grow big rather than those bred to stay small? The tall
ones can be a problem as they get bigger (and we get older), when it is time
to prune or spray them.

I would find out what types are available to you, and then eat some apples
from those trees until I have decided which ones I enjoyed the most. I like
to can apples in chunks and applesauce. I also like to eat them fresh.
Some apples are not for cooking, others are only for cooking, and a lot are
OK either way. I would suggest you not rush into buying a tree until you
are sure of what is best for you and the family.

Dwayne


"Paul" wrote in message
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Hi

I am starting a garden in a new build house, the main part of the
garden measures approx 11M deep X 17M long. This garden is in a windy
seaside location, I have currently laid the whole garden to lawn with
the intention of "carving it up" with some sort of design next spring.

Since the garden is flat and bounded by brick walls and fences I would
like to use plants to soften the these hard edges and give the garden
some height. As a start I would like to plant some standard trees this
autumn, (my wife likes apples).

Any suggestions as to what types of apple tree would be suitable for
my garden, what size should I buy and when should I plant my tree(s).

TIA

Paul

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from Paul contains these words:

Hi

I am starting a garden in a new build house, the main part of the
garden measures approx 11M deep X 17M long. This garden is in a
windy
seaside location,
Any suggestions as to what types of apple tree would be suitable
for
my garden,

I live in a windy seaside location. Apples don't like very windy
locations afaik, and I don't think they tolerate salt well. Although
a
few people round about have stunted apple trees, I don't see any
fruit. I strongly recommend you consider the many lovely plants
whose
roots stems and leaves are adapted to the windy, salty conditions
found
at the seaside. Take a walk round the neighbourhood and see what
does
well in other gardens, join a local gardening group, ask the library
if
they stock books on seaside gardening.

Janet.

Yes, that's more like the advice I would have given.

--
ned

http://www.bugsandweeds.co.uk
last update 30.09.2005

In a seaside location I would think towards planting a break on the side
exposed to the prevailing wind-will escallonia grow fast enough?
As for apples some are self pollinating -we used to grow James Grieve which
pollinated itself and probably our Bramley and Laxtons Superb in the
neighbour's garden.
James Grieve does not keep well but will last into November if kept cool in
a fridge.
Regards
David T
I have an ancient book-Apples of England- given to me by an old work
colleague which gives information on self pollinators etc.
"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
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from Paul contains these words:

Hi

I am starting a garden in a new build house, the main part of the
garden measures approx 11M deep X 17M long. This garden is in a windy
seaside location,
Any suggestions as to what types of apple tree would be suitable for
my garden,

I live in a windy seaside location. Apples don't like very windy
locations afaik, and I don't think they tolerate salt well. Although a
few people round about have stunted apple trees, I don't see any
fruit. I strongly recommend you consider the many lovely plants whose
roots stems and leaves are adapted to the windy, salty conditions found
at the seaside. Take a walk round the neighbourhood and see what does
well in other gardens, join a local gardening group, ask the library if
they stock books on seaside gardening.

Janet.

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from Janet Baraclough contains these words:

I live in a windy seaside location. Apples don't like very windy
locations afaik, and I don't think they tolerate salt well. Although a
few people round about have stunted apple trees, I don't see any
fruit. I strongly recommend you consider the many lovely plants whose
roots stems and leaves are adapted to the windy, salty conditions found
at the seaside. Take a walk round the neighbourhood and see what does
well in other gardens, join a local gardening group, ask the library if
they stock books on seaside gardening.

There were some apple trees in the garden of this house, on the Isle of
Lewis, which has pretty clement conditions temperature-wise, and plenty
of wind.

http://www.users.zetnet/hi-fi/temp/user/09.jpg

As you will see, it's well above the shore, and well back from it, and
in any case, the shore is on the edge of a sea-loch.

There *WERE* apples - small and scabby, and the trees were pretty
stunted too. (I nearly bought that house - with 7 acres of (feudal)
croft, for £650...

--
Rusty

"Paul" wrote in message
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Hi

I am starting a garden in a new build house, the main part of the
garden measures approx 11M deep X 17M long. This garden is in a windy
seaside location, I have currently laid the whole garden to lawn with
the intention of "carving it up" with some sort of design next spring.

Since the garden is flat and bounded by brick walls and fences I would
like to use plants to soften the these hard edges and give the garden
some height. As a start I would like to plant some standard trees this
autumn, (my wife likes apples).

Any suggestions as to what types of apple tree would be suitable for
my garden, what size should I buy and when should I plant my tree(s).

TIA

Paul

Tamarisk likes the seaside: it also likes sandy soils. It is more of a shrub
than
a tree, but it gets woody stems and grows to, maybe 10 feet? It flowers and
has feathery leaves, a pleasant addition to a seaside garden, except perhaps
on clay. Pittosporum Tenufolium is an evergreen that likes a maritime
climate.

Andy

"Paul" wrote
I am starting a garden in a new build house, the main part of the
garden measures approx 11M deep X 17M long. This garden is in a windy
seaside location, I have currently laid the whole garden to lawn with
the intention of "carving it up" with some sort of design next spring.

Since the garden is flat and bounded by brick walls and fences I would
like to use plants to soften the these hard edges and give the garden
some height. As a start I would like to plant some standard trees this
autumn, (my wife likes apples).

Any suggestions as to what types of apple tree would be suitable for
my garden, what size should I buy and when should I plant my tree(s).

My late mother used to live 100yds from the S. coast, as Janet has said, you
need to get a book on seaside gardening as there are not many plants that
like or can tolerate the wind and salt spray. A lot of plants in Mums garden
used to get burnt every winter, and it wasn't frost. She did have an apple,
a Worcester I think, but it only grew well below the fence height, where it
was exposed to the wind off the sea it got badly damaged.
You are gardening in very special conditions, get a good book and become an
expert.

--
Regards
Bob
In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London

Bob Hobden wrote:
[...to Paul, re seaside trees...]
You are gardening in very special conditions, get a good book and
become an expert.

Or, judging from what I see in the bookshops, get two good books and
become so much of an expert that you write a third.

--
Mike.

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from "Andy" contains these words:

Tamarisk likes the seaside: it also likes sandy soils. It is more of a
shrub
than
a tree, but it gets woody stems and grows to, maybe 10 feet? It flowers and
has feathery leaves, a pleasant addition to a seaside garden, except perhaps
on clay. Pittosporum Tenufolium is an evergreen that likes a maritime
climate.

Corsican pine is salt-tolerant, too.

--
Rusty

On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 09:49:01 +0000 (UTC), "p.k."
wrote:

Paul wrote:
Hi

I am starting a garden in a new build house, the main part of the
garden measures approx 11M deep X 17M long. This garden is in a windy
seaside location, I have currently laid the whole garden to lawn with
the intention of "carving it up" with some sort of design next spring.

Not what you are asking i know, bur when you come to carve it up: Design the
shape of the lawn and plant the bits that are left, nit designt the shape of
the beds. Reason? The only shape you will see when all is planted is the
open space of the lawn the bed shapes re irrelevant.

pk

So far I have collected a number of plants in pots, shrubs, conifers
heathers etc. These I have been placing at various points on the lawn
trying to get a feel what the effect might be.

Part of the objective is to get some nice views from the large lounge
patio doors, screening garage, shed etc.

Paul

On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 11:14:50 +0100, Kay
wrote:

In article , Paul
writes
Hi

I am starting a garden in a new build house, the main part of the
garden measures approx 11M deep X 17M long. This garden is in a windy
seaside location, I have currently laid the whole garden to lawn with
the intention of "carving it up" with some sort of design next spring.

Since the garden is flat and bounded by brick walls and fences I would
like to use plants to soften the these hard edges and give the garden
some height. As a start I would like to plant some standard trees this
autumn, (my wife likes apples).

Any suggestions as to what types of apple tree would be suitable for
my garden, what size should I buy and when should I plant my tree(s).

Buy bare rooted trees now and plant in the next few weeks. Get a
catalogue from a specialist fruit supplier rather than relying on your
garden centre. I use Scotts of Merriott, who have several hundred
varieties of apple each with a description of taste and site
preferences.

First thing with apples is that they don't pollinate themselves, so you
need to make sure there are at least two flowering at each period. The
catalogue listing/plant label with give you the flowering period.

The earliest apples are ready for picking in August but tend to last for
only a few weeks. Other varieties are ready later, right through to
March, and the later ones tend to have a longer period when they're good
for eating.

You need to think about what proportion of cookers and eaters you want,
and what flavours you like - some gardens and agricultural places hold
'apple days' where you can taste different varieties. Growing your own
is a great opportunity for growing varieties that you can't get in the
shops with tastes ranging from crisp and juicy through to highly spiced.

I can't advice on varieties, as I'm inland, cold and wet, so quite
different from you. Avoid Cox - it's difficult to grow well in a garden.

Someone else will tell you about rootstocks - all apples are grafted on
to a rootstock, and the type of rootstock determines how big the tree
grows.
Thanks for the advise, another function of the two (or more) trees
will be to provide some screening from the bedroom windows of the
neighbours across the road who will have a partial view into our
garden.


Paul

On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:30:14 +0100, "Bob Hobden"
wrote:


"Paul" wrote
I am starting a garden in a new build house, the main part of the
garden measures approx 11M deep X 17M long. This garden is in a windy
seaside location, I have currently laid the whole garden to lawn with
the intention of "carving it up" with some sort of design next spring.

Since the garden is flat and bounded by brick walls and fences I would
like to use plants to soften the these hard edges and give the garden
some height. As a start I would like to plant some standard trees this
autumn, (my wife likes apples).

Any suggestions as to what types of apple tree would be suitable for
my garden, what size should I buy and when should I plant my tree(s).

My late mother used to live 100yds from the S. coast, as Janet has said, you
need to get a book on seaside gardening as there are not many plants that
like or can tolerate the wind and salt spray. A lot of plants in Mums garden
used to get burnt every winter, and it wasn't frost. She did have an apple,
a Worcester I think, but it only grew well below the fence height, where it
was exposed to the wind off the sea it got badly damaged.
You are gardening in very special conditions, get a good book and become an
expert.
Should'nt have much of a problem with salt spray, but all the comments
on wind have struck home.

Thanks

Paul

"Paul" wrote after Bob replied to him...
I am starting a garden in a new build house, the main part of the
garden measures approx 11M deep X 17M long. This garden is in a windy
seaside location, I have currently laid the whole garden to lawn with
the intention of "carving it up" with some sort of design next spring.

Since the garden is flat and bounded by brick walls and fences I would
like to use plants to soften the these hard edges and give the garden
some height. As a start I would like to plant some standard trees this
autumn, (my wife likes apples).

Any suggestions as to what types of apple tree would be suitable for
my garden, what size should I buy and when should I plant my tree(s).

My late mother used to live 100yds from the S. coast, as Janet has said,
you
need to get a book on seaside gardening as there are not many plants that
like or can tolerate the wind and salt spray. A lot of plants in Mums
garden
used to get burnt every winter, and it wasn't frost. She did have an
apple,
a Worcester I think, but it only grew well below the fence height, where
it
was exposed to the wind off the sea it got badly damaged.
You are gardening in very special conditions, get a good book and become
an
expert.

Should'nt have much of a problem with salt spray, but all the comments
on wind have struck home.

Any strong wind from the sea will have salt in it, I don't mean wave splash.

--
Regards
Bob
In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London