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Wisteria as standard
Is anyone else growing Wisterias as standards? We have one on the big lawn
and I want to plant two more. But we have a mild argument occasionally as to whether to just give them a stake and let them go straight up it or whether to make a three or four spoked frame and trail branches over that, thus forcing a broader crown eventually. What does the panel think? -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
Wisteria as standard
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from Sacha contains these words: Is anyone else growing Wisterias as standards? We have one on the big lawn and I want to plant two more. But we have a mild argument occasionally as to whether to just give them a stake and let them go straight up it or whether to make a three or four spoked frame and trail branches over that, thus forcing a broader crown eventually. What does the panel think? Three or four? How many acres are you hoping to shade? -- Rusty horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co full-stop uk http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
Wisteria as standard
I've seen it in a couple
of places with big lawns and it's wonderfully effective, especially beside the edge of e.g. a big pond or lake. The branches curve over and down and when the Wisteria is in flower it looks like the skirts of some wonderful ballgown! -- So why ask? Mike The truth will prevail |
Wisteria as standard
"Sacha" wrote... Is anyone else growing Wisterias as standards? We have one on the big lawn and I want to plant two more. But we have a mild argument occasionally as to whether to just give them a stake and let them go straight up it or whether to make a three or four spoked frame and trail branches over that, thus forcing a broader crown eventually. What does the panel think? The couple I've seen had been grown on umbrellas as you suggest, indeed one was on an old iron frame which was going to have to rust away. So use wood/bamboo if you can. The stem will need a strong stake as the plant won't have the strength to hold itself up for some years and even then can easily be blown over by wind as the one by the river in Lower Sunbury was a few years ago. -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London |
Wisteria as standard
On 27/11/05 16:21, in article ,
"Dave Poole" wrote: I don't know whether they are still available, but many moons ago you could get trainers for weeping roses - rather like very heavy duty hanging baskets around 3 feet in diameter. I nailed one to the top of a 7 foot oak post and ran a white Wisteria up it. Partly in the interests of getting coverage a.s.a.p. I allowed several stems to run up the pole, plaiting them as they went. The theory being that in time, the resultant trunk would also provide greater strength and aesthetic appeal when exposed in winter. Whether either of these proved true is unknown because I moved from that garden over 25 years ago. However, the short term effect over the first 6 or 7 years was extremely pleasing. There were 7 or 8 main laterals trained over and down and from these, sub-laterals and flowering spurs, which provided a magnificent show every year. Of course the training is a little more fiddly compared to when you grow it on a wall, but its well worth the extra effort. It is far simpler to train to a smaller, self supporting head and you will be pleased with the outcome. But if you train to a broader crown, it will yield far more flowers and much greater impact. Very interesting info indeed. Thanks, David and I'll talk to the appropriate 'helpers' re that one. Next time you're here, please remind me to get you to have a look at the one on the lawn now. You have reminded me of something I had totally forgotten - when we were in the gardens of the Getty Museum in LA, we saw tall (15'?) metal constructions with huge upturned 'baskets' at the top. They had Bougainvillea growing up them and out through the baskets. It was spectacular. I suppose this is - in a wa - what we're both talking about achieving. The constraints of course, are plant and climate! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
Wisteria as standard
On 27/11/05 16:29, in article , "Bob Hobden"
wrote: "Sacha" wrote... Is anyone else growing Wisterias as standards? We have one on the big lawn and I want to plant two more. But we have a mild argument occasionally as to whether to just give them a stake and let them go straight up it or whether to make a three or four spoked frame and trail branches over that, thus forcing a broader crown eventually. What does the panel think? The couple I've seen had been grown on umbrellas as you suggest, indeed one was on an old iron frame which was going to have to rust away. So use wood/bamboo if you can. The stem will need a strong stake as the plant won't have the strength to hold itself up for some years and even then can easily be blown over by wind as the one by the river in Lower Sunbury was a few years ago. The one and only that we have now is indeed on a sturdy stake but is unsupported as to the umbrella. I've tried to tell Matthew what it is I'm thinking of because my drawing abilities are nil. He's fantastically good at working with wood, so if he has time this winter, I might be lucky. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
Wisteria as standard
On 27/11/05 17:19, in article
, "Sacha" wrote: On 27/11/05 16:21, in article , "Dave Poole" wrote: I don't know whether they are still available, but many moons ago you could get trainers for weeping roses - rather like very heavy duty hanging baskets around 3 feet in diameter. I nailed one to the top of a 7 foot oak post and ran a white Wisteria up it. Partly in the interests of getting coverage a.s.a.p. I allowed several stems to run up the pole, plaiting them as they went. The theory being that in time, the resultant trunk would also provide greater strength and aesthetic appeal when exposed in winter. Whether either of these proved true is unknown because I moved from that garden over 25 years ago. However, the short term effect over the first 6 or 7 years was extremely pleasing. There were 7 or 8 main laterals trained over and down and from these, sub-laterals and flowering spurs, which provided a magnificent show every year. Of course the training is a little more fiddly compared to when you grow it on a wall, but its well worth the extra effort. It is far simpler to train to a smaller, self supporting head and you will be pleased with the outcome. But if you train to a broader crown, it will yield far more flowers and much greater impact. Very interesting info indeed. Thanks, David and I'll talk to the appropriate 'helpers' re that one. Next time you're here, please remind me to get you to have a look at the one on the lawn now. You have reminded me of something I had totally forgotten - when we were in the gardens of the Getty Museum in LA, we saw tall (15'?) metal constructions with huge upturned 'baskets' at the top. They had Bougainvillea growing up them and out through the baskets. It was spectacular. I suppose this is - in a wa - what we're both talking about achieving. The constraints of course, are plant and climate! http://jameswagner.com/mt_archives/B...bartrellis.JPG Sorry, I meant to append the above. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
Wisteria as standard
"Sacha" wrote in message .uk... On 27/11/05 16:29, in article , "Bob Hobden" wrote: "Sacha" wrote... Is anyone else growing Wisterias as standards? We have one on the big lawn and I want to plant two more. But we have a mild argument occasionally as to whether to just give them a stake and let them go straight up it or whether to make a three or four spoked frame and trail branches over that, thus forcing a broader crown eventually. What does the panel think? -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) The two in our garden have been grown on the platted stem system. There is a thin metal stake at the core of the plat. One has become a bit leany over but the one shown here is super. I guess they are about 12 yr old. http://www.geocities.com/thecanalsho...zzzzzzcopy.jpg Regards Pete www.thecanalshop.com |
Wisteria as standard
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from Dave Poole contains these words: I don't know whether they are still available, but many moons ago you could get trainers for weeping roses - rather like very heavy duty hanging baskets around 3 feet in diameter. I nailed one to the top of a 7 foot oak post and ran a white Wisteria up it. Partly in the interests of getting coverage a.s.a.p. I allowed several stems to run up the pole, plaiting them as they went. The theory being that in time, the resultant trunk would also provide greater strength and aesthetic appeal when exposed in winter. Whether either of these proved true is unknown because I moved from that garden over 25 years ago. In my garden I have a varigated ivy tree. For quite a while I thought it was growing up a dead tree because the multiple stems looked like old gnarled bark until examined carefully. I found on examination that it was one of three old steel irrigation pipes set upright in the ground, and the ivy had been given its head, so to speak. It's bushed out at the top and looks for the world like a tree. I commend the idea to anyone who wants to plant a tree, but has nowhere which is far enough from drainage or foundations. However, the short term effect over the first 6 or 7 years was extremely pleasing. There were 7 or 8 main laterals trained over and down and from these, sub-laterals and flowering spurs, which provided a magnificent show every year. Of course the training is a little more fiddly compared to when you grow it on a wall, but its well worth the extra effort. It is far simpler to train to a smaller, self supporting head and you will be pleased with the outcome. But if you train to a broader crown, it will yield far more flowers and much greater impact. Hmmm. I was thinking of getting a self-fertile Chinese gooseberry and growing it up one of the others, and another vine which fruits for the third. -- Rusty horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co full-stop uk http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
Wisteria as standard
In my garden I have a varigated ivy tree. For quite a while I thought it was growing up a dead tree because the multiple stems looked like old gnarled bark until examined carefully. I found on examination that it was one of three old steel irrigation pipes set upright in the ground, and the ivy had been given its head, so to speak. It's bushed out at the top and looks for the world like a tree. Good job a chain saw wasn't taken to it :-(((( Mike The truth will prevail |
Wisteria as standard
On 27/11/05 17:52, in article , "Peter
Stockdale" wrote: "Sacha" wrote in message .uk... On 27/11/05 16:29, in article , "Bob Hobden" wrote: "Sacha" wrote... Is anyone else growing Wisterias as standards? We have one on the big lawn and I want to plant two more. But we have a mild argument occasionally as to whether to just give them a stake and let them go straight up it or whether to make a three or four spoked frame and trail branches over that, thus forcing a broader crown eventually. What does the panel think? -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) The two in our garden have been grown on the platted stem system. There is a thin metal stake at the core of the plat. One has become a bit leany over but the one shown here is super. I guess they are about 12 yr old. This is absolutely terrific and thank you. It illustrates just what I want to know, really which is that if you want the stems to grow outwards, and then 'flowing' down, you probably need to train them that way. Yours looks really lovely and gives urglers who might not have understood my description, a chance to see what I was getting at. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
Wisteria as standard
"Sacha" wrote in message news:BFAFEFC5.24ABD% -- This is absolutely terrific and thank you. It illustrates just what I want to know, really which is that if you want the stems to grow outwards, and then 'flowing' down, you probably need to train them that way. Yours looks really lovely and gives urglers who might not have understood my description, a chance to see what I was getting at. -- Sacha Yes - I must attribute the credit to the previous owners who were professional nurserypersons. I have rather tended to let nature take it's course over the last four years since we have moved here. They flower twice - profusely in early summer and to on a lesser scale late summer. I must remember to do a piccy or two next year when they are in flower. Regards Pete Nanneys Bridge Nursery |
Wisteria as standard
I have seenfor sale partly trained wisterias with the upturned-basket
wire frames. I think the stems were plaited. This was at Pound Hill House, West Kington (Wilts I think), home of Bunny Guinness's mother who is sister of David Austin. I did not have the space or money needed. £200 - 300. Pam in Bristol |
Wisteria as standard
On 28/11/05 10:52, in article ,
"Pam Moore" wrote: I have seenfor sale partly trained wisterias with the upturned-basket wire frames. I think the stems were plaited. This was at Pound Hill House, West Kington (Wilts I think), home of Bunny Guinness's mother who is sister of David Austin. I did not have the space or money needed. £200 - 300. Thud! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) |
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