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Ian B 20-03-2003 07:44 AM

Advice please Leylandii hedge / hawthorne part 2
 
OK I can see the consensus is don't plant a Leylandii hedge!!!
If I keep the Hawthorne (which doesn't look nice for a third of the year...
is there some form of ivy, creeper, evergreen, that I can plant amongst
it????
Any help would be appreciated
ian


I moved home last year and inherited a house with one side (50ft) lined

with
Hawthorne.
Obviously because of the growing seasons this hedge is "See through"

because
its not evergreen. Unfortunately this allows me to see into next door for

a
third of the year. Plus its not that attractive during this time!
I was thinking of removing it and planting Leylandii .
Leyandii possibly because its quick growing.
Its the only thing I can think of that will replace the hedge quickly.....
Or does anyone here have any better ideas????
Any help would be appreciated
ian






Anne Middleton/Harold Walker 22-03-2003 11:28 AM

Advice please Leylandii hedge / hawthorne part 2
 
An opinion:
OK.....one dissenter......Leylandii cypruss makes a beautiful hedge.....had
a neighbour problem and planted one as a shield .........working
perfectly.....have since sold the property and the new owners are in love
with the 'hedge'.......about 25 odd feet tall and still growing......spoke
to the new owners only a few days ago and they have no intention of stopping
its growth.........they just love its beauty........planted some on my
current location and they too are doing fine........suspect/know I would not
plant if I had a mini postage stamp size lot.

HW.
"Ian B" wrote in message
et...
OK I can see the consensus is don't plant a Leylandii hedge!!!
If I keep the Hawthorne (which doesn't look nice for a third of the

year...
is there some form of ivy, creeper, evergreen, that I can plant amongst
it????
Any help would be appreciated
ian


I moved home last year and inherited a house with one side (50ft) lined

with
Hawthorne.
Obviously because of the growing seasons this hedge is "See through"

because
its not evergreen. Unfortunately this allows me to see into next door

for
a
third of the year. Plus its not that attractive during this time!
I was thinking of removing it and planting Leylandii .
Leyandii possibly because its quick growing.
Its the only thing I can think of that will replace the hedge

quickly.....
Or does anyone here have any better ideas????
Any help would be appreciated
ian








Sharon Curtis 22-03-2003 11:28 AM

Advice please Leylandii hedge / hawthorne part 2
 
In article ,
Ian B wrote:
OK I can see the consensus is don't plant a Leylandii hedge!!!


Indeed. There are just too many problems with it (maintenance,
light blocking, cross neighbours, roots, leaching moisture out of the soil)

If I keep the Hawthorne (which doesn't look nice for a third of the year...
is there some form of ivy, creeper, evergreen, that I can plant amongst
it????


Indeed. I have a variety of ivies that look terrific and will cover up
a garage wall one day. I particularly like Hedera Helix "Goldheart"
and one other, the name of which I can't recall.
See some (for example) on Cormaic's page
http://www.tmac.clara.co.uk/garden/plants/ivies02.htm

Sharon

Charlie 22-03-2003 11:29 AM

Advice please Leylandii hedge / hawthorne part 2
 
Well, I think Ivy is pretty, but then again, I did just pull a whole plant
off a wall because it was pulling the mortar out. It's also spread under an
asphalt driveway and is growing in my lovely prepared tomato and pepper
beds! In my experience, it gets everywhere, and is the second worst thing
in my garden. Sorry, I can't be more helpful, but I'm kinda new at this!

Charlie.

"Ian B" wrote in message
et...
OK I can see the consensus is don't plant a Leylandii hedge!!!
If I keep the Hawthorne (which doesn't look nice for a third of the

year...
is there some form of ivy, creeper, evergreen, that I can plant amongst
it????
Any help would be appreciated
ian


I moved home last year and inherited a house with one side (50ft) lined

with
Hawthorne.
Obviously because of the growing seasons this hedge is "See through"

because
its not evergreen. Unfortunately this allows me to see into next door

for
a
third of the year. Plus its not that attractive during this time!
I was thinking of removing it and planting Leylandii .
Leyandii possibly because its quick growing.
Its the only thing I can think of that will replace the hedge

quickly.....
Or does anyone here have any better ideas????
Any help would be appreciated
ian







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bnd777 22-03-2003 11:29 AM

Advice please Leylandii hedge / hawthorne part 2
 
I would still say consider Eleagnus, Pyracantha, and Escallonia
They are all evergreen /variegated and beautiful

A Leylandi Hedge is simply not worth the hell it causes both for you or your
neighbours
The 120 ft I suffer is a prime example


"Ian B" wrote in message
et...
OK I can see the consensus is don't plant a Leylandii hedge!!!
If I keep the Hawthorne (which doesn't look nice for a third of the

year...
is there some form of ivy, creeper, evergreen, that I can plant amongst
it????
Any help would be appreciated
ian


I moved home last year and inherited a house with one side (50ft) lined

with
Hawthorne.
Obviously because of the growing seasons this hedge is "See through"

because
its not evergreen. Unfortunately this allows me to see into next door

for
a
third of the year. Plus its not that attractive during this time!
I was thinking of removing it and planting Leylandii .
Leyandii possibly because its quick growing.
Its the only thing I can think of that will replace the hedge

quickly.....
Or does anyone here have any better ideas????
Any help would be appreciated
ian








David 22-03-2003 11:29 AM

Advice please Leylandii hedge / hawthorne part 2
 
In article , bnd777
writes
I would still say consider Eleagnus, Pyracantha, and Escallonia
They are all evergreen /variegated and beautiful

A Leylandi Hedge is simply not worth the hell it causes both for you or your
neighbours
The 120 ft I suffer is a prime example

I take it this is you Barry? still haven't moved then?
--
David

bnd777 22-03-2003 11:29 AM

Advice please Leylandii hedge / hawthorne part 2
 
No one wants to live next to the Leylandi ......would you !!!
"David" wrote in message
...
In article , bnd777
writes
I would still say consider Eleagnus, Pyracantha, and Escallonia
They are all evergreen /variegated and beautiful

A Leylandi Hedge is simply not worth the hell it causes both for you or

your
neighbours
The 120 ft I suffer is a prime example

I take it this is you Barry? still haven't moved then?
--
David




Kay Easton 22-03-2003 11:29 AM

Advice please Leylandii hedge / hawthorne part 2
 
In article , bnd777
writes
No one wants to live next to the Leylandi



Unless you've asked everyone, how can you possibly know that?



--
Kay Easton

Edward's earthworm page:
http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/garden/

Michael Berridge 22-03-2003 11:29 AM

Advice please Leylandii hedge / hawthorne part 2
 

Anne Middleton/Harold Walker wrote in message ...
An opinion:
OK.....one dissenter......Leylandii cypruss makes a beautiful

hedge.....had
a neighbour problem and planted one as a shield .........working
perfectly.....have since sold the property and the new owners are in

love
with the 'hedge'.......about 25 odd feet tall and still

growing......spoke
to the new owners only a few days ago and they have no intention of

stopping

The neighbours may very soon have a remedy with the legislation
currently going through Parliament, which will give councils the right
to cut down a hedge to a specific height if the two people cannot agree.
It is being done because of the large numbers of disputes, almost always
involving Leylandii, some of which have erupted into violence, (the
disputes, not the leylandii).

Mike
www.british-naturism.org.uk







David 22-03-2003 11:30 AM

Advice please Leylandii hedge / hawthorne part 2
 
In article , bnd777
writes
No one wants to live next to the Leylandi ......would you !!!


Have you tried to sell then? last time we discussed this you refused to
even consider being 'forced out'
--
David

Janet Baraclough 22-03-2003 11:30 AM

Advice please Leylandii hedge / hawthorne part 2
 
The message
from Kay Easton contains these words:

In article , bnd777
writes
No one wants to live next to the Leylandi


Unless you've asked everyone, how can you possibly know that?


Barry Davies ate my voting slip.

Janet.

Alan Holmes 22-03-2003 06:08 PM

Advice please Leylandii hedge / hawthorne part 2
 

"David" wrote in message
...
In article , bnd777
writes
No one wants to live next to the Leylandi ......would you !!!


Have you tried to sell then? last time we discussed this you refused to
even consider being 'forced out'


Why should he be 'forced out' because of someone elses stupidity?

Alan
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bnd777 22-03-2003 07:32 PM

Advice please Leylandii hedge / hawthorne part 2
 
Thanks Alan ........I agree
We are unfortunate enough to have a very very nasty neighbour indeed who
delights in creating all manner of problems
and thinks Leylandi are a good weapon


"Alan Holmes" wrote in message
...

"David" wrote in message
...
In article , bnd777
writes
No one wants to live next to the Leylandi ......would you !!!


Have you tried to sell then? last time we discussed this you refused to
even consider being 'forced out'


Why should he be 'forced out' because of someone elses stupidity?

Alan
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David 23-03-2003 04:32 PM

Advice please Leylandii hedge / hawthorne part 2
 
In article , Alan Holmes
writes

"David" wrote in message
.. .
In article , bnd777
writes
No one wants to live next to the Leylandi ......would you !!!


Have you tried to sell then? last time we discussed this you refused to
even consider being 'forced out'


Why should he be 'forced out' because of someone elses stupidity?

If I was in the same situation as Barry, I would cut my losses, you only
get the one life and I would refuse to have years of it blighted by
neighbour disputes.
--
David

David 23-03-2003 04:32 PM

Advice please Leylandii hedge / hawthorne part 2
 
In article , bnd777
writes
Thanks Alan ........I agree
We are unfortunate enough to have a very very nasty neighbour indeed who
delights in creating all manner of problems
and thinks Leylandi are a good weapon

You never did answer the question about trying to sell, I suppose you're
just going to moan about it without doing much to help yourself. Why
don't you just cut them down, someone else did that and got fined but
they considered it money well spent.
--
David

bnd777 23-03-2003 07:44 PM

Advice please Leylandii hedge / hawthorne part 2
 
You clearly forget that when you are unfortunate enough to gain a neighbour
who causes trouble you have to declare it when you try to sell
That alone puts off buyers or reduces the price to an impossible level
As for cutting the things down if we did the fine for 56 of them would be
enormous .......last published court case was £50,000 in costs etc for
simply trimming back a load of trees
and all he would do is plant a load more
"David" wrote in message
...
In article , Alan Holmes
writes

"David" wrote in message
.. .
In article , bnd777
writes
No one wants to live next to the Leylandi ......would you !!!

Have you tried to sell then? last time we discussed this you refused to
even consider being 'forced out'


Why should he be 'forced out' because of someone elses stupidity?

If I was in the same situation as Barry, I would cut my losses, you only
get the one life and I would refuse to have years of it blighted by
neighbour disputes.
--
David




David 23-03-2003 10:32 PM

Advice please Leylandii hedge / hawthorne part 2
 
In article , bnd777
writes
You clearly forget that when you are unfortunate enough to gain a neighbour
who causes trouble you have to declare it when you try to sell
That alone puts off buyers or reduces the price to an impossible level
As for cutting the things down if we did the fine for 56 of them would be
enormous .......last published court case was £50,000 in costs etc for
simply trimming back a load of trees
and all he would do is plant a load more


You have to declare any neighbour disputes, a potential buyer may not
have the same problem with the Leylandii that you have.

Can you point me towards this £50,000 fine? usually these cases aren't
as black and white as they may seem. You could always consult a
solicitor and see what they think you would get for a bit of illegal
pruning, in these enlightened times a court might be sympathetic to your
case. Have you considered suing your neighbour?
--
David

bnd777 23-03-2003 11:08 PM

Advice please Leylandii hedge / hawthorne part 2
 
It was a well published case about August last year where the costs were
£50,000
and is mentioned on Hedgeline website
Theres also another case quite near us where a retired old soldier lost his
life savings trying to get permission to have his pop group neighbours
leylandi cut
In every case theres been you will find the judge expresses immense sympathy
for the victim but is unable to help due to current law
and Yes I have obtained legal advice on the matter


"David" wrote in message
...
In article , bnd777
writes
You clearly forget that when you are unfortunate enough to gain a

neighbour
who causes trouble you have to declare it when you try to sell
That alone puts off buyers or reduces the price to an impossible level
As for cutting the things down if we did the fine for 56 of them would be
enormous .......last published court case was £50,000 in costs etc for
simply trimming back a load of trees
and all he would do is plant a load more


You have to declare any neighbour disputes, a potential buyer may not
have the same problem with the Leylandii that you have.

Can you point me towards this £50,000 fine? usually these cases aren't
as black and white as they may seem. You could always consult a
solicitor and see what they think you would get for a bit of illegal
pruning, in these enlightened times a court might be sympathetic to your
case. Have you considered suing your neighbour?
--
David




David 24-03-2003 11:08 PM

Advice please Leylandii hedge / hawthorne part 2
 
In article , bnd777
writes
It was a well published case about August last year where the costs were
£50,000
and is mentioned on Hedgeline website
Theres also another case quite near us where a retired old soldier lost his
life savings trying to get permission to have his pop group neighbours
leylandi cut
In every case theres been you will find the judge expresses immense sympathy
for the victim but is unable to help due to current law
and Yes I have obtained legal advice on the matter

I see the fine was £500 and as you say the £50,000 was in costs. do you
know if this was legal costs, replacement trees, damage caused whatever?


--
David

bnd777 25-03-2003 12:32 AM

Advice please Leylandii hedge / hawthorne part 2
 
£50,000 was in costs both for his defence plus the other sides case thats
the enormity of legal and court costs these days
Dont forget Michael Jones battle cost £100,000 and he did most of his own
legal work ........Stanton lost in that case because of covenants but he
never ever paid up

"David" wrote in message
...
In article , bnd777
writes
It was a well published case about August last year where the costs were
£50,000
and is mentioned on Hedgeline website
Theres also another case quite near us where a retired old soldier lost

his
life savings trying to get permission to have his pop group neighbours
leylandi cut
In every case theres been you will find the judge expresses immense

sympathy
for the victim but is unable to help due to current law
and Yes I have obtained legal advice on the matter

I see the fine was £500 and as you say the £50,000 was in costs. do you
know if this was legal costs, replacement trees, damage caused whatever?


--
David




David 26-03-2003 07:44 PM

Advice please Leylandii hedge / hawthorne part 2
 
In article , bnd777
writes
£50,000 was in costs both for his defence plus the other sides case thats
the enormity of legal and court costs these days
Dont forget Michael Jones battle cost £100,000 and he did most of his own
legal work ........Stanton lost in that case because of covenants but he
never ever paid up

So if you don't contest it you just get fined which in this case was
£500?, what about damages? is there any figures on that.
A poster on another newsgroup claims that this is what he did, he took a
chainsaw to the Leylandii, pleaded guilty got a few hundred pounds fine
and considered it money well spent.
I would have thought pleading guilty was the way to go with mitigating
circumstances.
--
David

bnd777 27-03-2003 06:56 PM

Advice please Leylandii hedge / hawthorne part 2
 
Well the guy on another newsgroup must have been very lucky indeed but it
was probably only small claims court

Because if you have a neighbour prepared to take you to High Court over the
matter then it sure would not be a £500 fine and I know my neighbour would
do exactly that
"David" wrote in message
...
In article , bnd777
writes
£50,000 was in costs both for his defence plus the other sides case thats
the enormity of legal and court costs these days
Dont forget Michael Jones battle cost £100,000 and he did most of his own
legal work ........Stanton lost in that case because of covenants but he
never ever paid up

So if you don't contest it you just get fined which in this case was
£500?, what about damages? is there any figures on that.
A poster on another newsgroup claims that this is what he did, he took a
chainsaw to the Leylandii, pleaded guilty got a few hundred pounds fine
and considered it money well spent.
I would have thought pleading guilty was the way to go with mitigating
circumstances.
--
David




David 27-03-2003 09:08 PM

Advice please Leylandii hedge / hawthorne part 2
 
In article , bnd777
writes
Well the guy on another newsgroup must have been very lucky indeed but it
was probably only small claims court

Because if you have a neighbour prepared to take you to High Court over the
matter then it sure would not be a £500 fine and I know my neighbour would
do exactly that


It wouldn't be down to him though, he would just report the matter and
it would be dealt with by a magistrates court.
--
David

bnd777 28-03-2003 06:32 PM

Advice please Leylandii hedge / hawthorne part 2
 
not nessecarily


"David" wrote in message
...
In article , bnd777
writes
Well the guy on another newsgroup must have been very lucky indeed but it
was probably only small claims court

Because if you have a neighbour prepared to take you to High Court over

the
matter then it sure would not be a £500 fine and I know my neighbour

would
do exactly that


It wouldn't be down to him though, he would just report the matter and
it would be dealt with by a magistrates court.
--
David




David 29-03-2003 10:08 AM

Advice please Leylandii hedge / hawthorne part 2
 
In article , bnd777
writes
not nessecarily


Why would it go to high court then? surely it would be a simple case of
damage, the cases you've cited have been where the case has tried to be
proven not guilty, this is why the costs are so high.
--
David

Alan Holmes 18-04-2003 12:08 AM

Advice please Leylandii hedge / hawthorne part 2
 

"David" wrote in message
...
In article , bnd777
writes
Thanks Alan ........I agree
We are unfortunate enough to have a very very nasty neighbour indeed who
delights in creating all manner of problems
and thinks Leylandi are a good weapon

You never did answer the question about trying to sell, I suppose you're
just going to moan about it without doing much to help yourself. Why
don't you just cut them down, someone else did that and got fined but
they considered it money well spent.


I don't think things are quite that simple, if he did cut them down the
neighbour could just replant another lot.

One way is to treat them with a chemical like SBK and as they die, if
questions are asked, you say that you've heard of a nasty disease
that attacks Leylandii.

Alan
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