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Dog poo in compost
Extremely orthodox composters are strongly opposed to adding manure from
meat eating animals in their compost pile. Herbivores yes but carnivores, like dogs and cats, no. My mutts turn out a regular supply of pooh. They however are rather spoiled and get premium biscuits and the occasional left overs such as cooked veges or meats (basically what I eat). What are peoples opinions on adding their poo to the compost. Rob |
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Dog poo in compost
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from "George.com" contains these words: Extremely orthodox composters are strongly opposed to adding manure from meat eating animals in their compost pile. Herbivores yes but carnivores, like dogs and cats, no. My mutts turn out a regular supply of pooh. They however are rather spoiled and get premium biscuits and the occasional left overs such as cooked veges or meats (basically what I eat). What they eat is irrelevant. Cats and dogs carry zoonotic intestinal parasites whose very persistent eggs are shed in their faeces. Even if the animals are regularly wormed, they often get re-infected in between treatments. Janet. |
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Janet Baraclough wrote:
The message from "George.com" contains these words: Extremely orthodox composters are strongly opposed to adding manure from meat eating animals in their compost pile. Herbivores yes but carnivores, like dogs and cats, no. My mutts turn out a regular supply of pooh. They however are rather spoiled and get premium biscuits and the occasional left overs such as cooked veges or meats (basically what I eat). What they eat is irrelevant. Cats and dogs carry zoonotic intestinal parasites whose very persistent eggs are shed in their faeces. Even if the animals are regularly wormed, they often get re-infected in between treatments. Janet. But if you're just shovelling it into holes or trenches, does it matter? |
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Phil L wrote: But if you're just shovelling it into holes or trenches, does it matter? Shovelling what? The compost with the pooh or just the pooh?! I have dogs and I have never considered putting their mess in my compost - and the cats too. It's something I find impossible to do. Some on this forum have burried the stuff. Some just throw anything from dead rats to all their food stuff on the compost. There's been many discussions about this before, perhaps you could peruse the archive by searching compost/dog pooh or similar. You will find that there are those who do and those who don't. I don't ) |
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La Puce wrote:
Phil L wrote: But if you're just shovelling it into holes or trenches, does it matter? Shovelling what? The compost with the pooh or just the pooh?! I have dogs and I have never considered putting their mess in my compost - and the cats too. It's something I find impossible to do. Some on this forum have burried the stuff. Some just throw anything from dead rats to all their food stuff on the compost. There's been many discussions about this before, perhaps you could peruse the archive by searching compost/dog pooh or similar. You will find that there are those who do and those who don't. I don't ) My dog is almost vegetarian (although I'm not) and she prefers beans to bacon any day! I can't really stop her crapping on the heap, and certainly most of what she dropped in Jan/Feb has now disppeared and become compost anyway, my idea was to lift out the fresh stuff and throw the rest in a trench for runner beans, mostly the compost is last years lawn and very little else. I can't see the harm in it myself, providing it's not being handled, and plants devour crap of all kinds (cow, horse, fox etc) I think dogs are just being victimised! (As an aside, I found a dead rat last year and put it into the pot when I was repotting a rose, the rose didn't complain!) |
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"Phil L" wrote in message . uk... La Puce wrote: Phil L wrote: But if you're just shovelling it into holes or trenches, does it matter? Shovelling what? The compost with the pooh or just the pooh?! I have dogs and I have never considered putting their mess in my compost - and the cats too. It's something I find impossible to do. Some on this forum have burried the stuff. Some just throw anything from dead rats to all their food stuff on the compost. There's been many discussions about this before, perhaps you could peruse the archive by searching compost/dog pooh or similar. You will find that there are those who do and those who don't. I don't ) My dog is almost vegetarian (although I'm not) and she prefers beans to bacon any day! I can't really stop her crapping on the heap, and certainly most of what she dropped in Jan/Feb has now disppeared and become compost anyway, my idea was to lift out the fresh stuff and throw the rest in a trench for runner beans, mostly the compost is last years lawn and very little else. I can't see the harm in it myself, providing it's not being handled, and plants devour crap of all kinds (cow, horse, fox etc) I think dogs are just being victimised! (As an aside, I found a dead rat last year and put it into the pot when I was repotting a rose, the rose didn't complain!) I suppose the main concern people have is using the dog poop compost for veges or fruit and the fear that pathogens may find they way into the food chain. Some territorial authorities ban the use of human waste for instance.A good hot compost is said to kill any pathogens. I use alot of dog poop compost as a mulch to keep down weeds. I have not yet tried it on edible plants. rob |
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"June Hughes" wrote in message ... In message , Phil L writes Janet Baraclough wrote: The message from "George.com" contains these words: Extremely orthodox composters are strongly opposed to adding manure from meat eating animals in their compost pile. Herbivores yes but carnivores, like dogs and cats, no. My mutts turn out a regular supply of pooh. They however are rather spoiled and get premium biscuits and the occasional left overs such as cooked veges or meats (basically what I eat). What they eat is irrelevant. Cats and dogs carry zoonotic intestinal parasites whose very persistent eggs are shed in their faeces. Even if the animals are regularly wormed, they often get re-infected in between treatments. Janet. But if you're just shovelling it into holes or trenches, does it matter? Like human pooh, dog pooh takes a very long time to break down, and I don't think it would be very useful in compost, even if it were only used for non-food crops. Also, the smell tends to change over time without improving any. I certainly wouldn't entertain any in my compost bin and heaven knows, our lab produces enough! I find it breaks down quite rapdily in compost June although these are not lab sized turds. My dogs are obviously well bred as the smell does not linger long. Seems opinion is divided on use in compost for a variety of reasons. rob |
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"Phil L" wrote in message . uk... But if you're just shovelling it into holes or trenches, does it matter? (someone wrote) My dog is almost vegetarian (although I'm not) and she prefers beans to bacon any day! What "matters", is that people understand what human health risk is carried in cat and dog poop. If they don't have that information they won't understand why dog poop compost/ toxocara eggs should be kept well away from, say, salad crops, or childrens play areas. Or why pregnant women might not want to handle compost made with dog pooh. The continued insistence by some posters that their dog eats the same food as themselves, or is a vegetarian, as if that made their pooh safer , suggests they don't know that risk. It does not matter is your dog is fed from birth on boiled rice hand picked by virgin vegans. It was BORN carrying the eggs of toxocara worms which it acquired from its mother before birth. Medication will kill the adult worms in pets gut, but reinfection is rapid (from swallowing worm eggs (shed in faeces) from around its anus, the anus and droppings of other animals it sniffs, the coat of other animals it licks, etc etc etc). IOW, you should always treat dog and cat pooh on the assumption it carries toxocara eggs. The adultworms are easy to kill; the eggs are much more persistent and can remain dormant until they reach a host gut. Toxocara worms can migrate through the human gut wall into other organs and may cause abortion, damage to unborn foetus, and blindness. Infants and pregnant women are most at risk. There are several thousand cases in the UK each year iirc. That's the consideration for gardeners to make. NOT, the diet of the pet concerned. Janet. |
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Toxocara worms can migrate through the human gut wall into other organs and may cause abortion, damage to unborn foetus, and blindness. Infants and pregnant women are most at risk. There are several thousand cases in the UK each year iirc. That's the consideration for gardeners to make. NOT, the diet of the pet concerned. Bloomin' 'eck Janet, how will I know if I have this worm wriggling away inside me? My daughter brought her very bad dog to stay for the weekend, he was so upset when she went out that he pooed everywhere. BTW he is not coming again! -- Judith Lea |
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from Judith Lea contains these words: Toxocara worms can migrate through the human gut wall into other organs and may cause abortion, damage to unborn foetus, and blindness. Infants and pregnant women are most at risk. There are several thousand cases in the UK each year iirc. That's the consideration for gardeners to make. NOT, the diet of the pet concerned. Bloomin' 'eck Janet, how will I know if I have this worm wriggling away inside me? In a dog, the symptoms are an itchy bottom and shuffling along the floor to rub it, much bottom licking, and visible worms in the pooh. Other than that, I don't know :-) My daughter brought her very bad dog to stay for the weekend, he was so upset when she went out that he pooed everywhere. BTW he is not coming again! Oh dear :-( Janet. |
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Dog poo in compost
"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... "Phil L" wrote in message . uk... But if you're just shovelling it into holes or trenches, does it matter? (someone wrote) My dog is almost vegetarian (although I'm not) and she prefers beans to bacon any day! What "matters", is that people understand what human health risk is carried in cat and dog poop. If they don't have that information they won't understand why dog poop compost/ toxocara eggs should be kept well away from, say, salad crops, or childrens play areas. Or why pregnant women might not want to handle compost made with dog pooh. The continued insistence by some posters that their dog eats the same food as themselves, or is a vegetarian, as if that made their pooh safer , suggests they don't know that risk. It does not matter is your dog is fed from birth on boiled rice hand picked by virgin vegans. It was BORN carrying the eggs of toxocara worms which it acquired from its mother before birth. Medication will kill the adult worms in pets gut, but reinfection is rapid (from swallowing worm eggs (shed in faeces) from around its anus, the anus and droppings of other animals it sniffs, the coat of other animals it licks, etc etc etc). IOW, you should always treat dog and cat pooh on the assumption it carries toxocara eggs. The adultworms are easy to kill; the eggs are much more persistent and can remain dormant until they reach a host gut. Toxocara worms can migrate through the human gut wall into other organs and may cause abortion, damage to unborn foetus, and blindness. Infants and pregnant women are most at risk. There are several thousand cases in the UK each year iirc. That's the consideration for gardeners to make. NOT, the diet of the pet concerned. Janet. very good information, thanks. I had not considered the worm aspect of it. |
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