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Old 15-05-2006, 12:19 PM posted to uk.rec.gardening
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I raised a query regarding nettles etc some weeks ago and the replies
were that there was not a selective weedkiller for this. Since then my
husband bought, in France, Desherbant fraisers.

At the time I said I would post with the composition, which is 157
grammes per litre of phenmediphame. I have used it and it worked. Can
I but this in England under another name as I cannot find it here?
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Old 15-05-2006, 01:02 PM posted to uk.rec.gardening
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Judith Lea wrote:
I raised a query regarding nettles etc some weeks ago and the replies
were that there was not a selective weedkiller for this. Since then my
husband bought, in France, Desherbant fraisers.
At the time I said I would post with the composition, which is 157
grammes per litre of phenmediphame. I have used it and it worked. Can
I but this in England under another name as I cannot find it here?


I'm happy to say thank god nobody can find it!! Dersherbant Fraisiers
are not recommended for small gardens but are for farmers. It has some
serious ecological effects, being an herbecide, fungicide and
insecticide in one. The bees, birds, aquatics and beneficials have
absolutely no chance of survival. The product stays for years in the
ground. You are effectively damaging the whole eco system of your
garden when the nettles could have brought you beneficial insects such
as lady birds and beautiful butterflies.

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La Puce wrote:
Judith Lea wrote:
I raised a query regarding nettles etc some weeks ago and the replies
were that there was not a selective weedkiller for this. Since then my
husband bought, in France, Desherbant fraisers.
At the time I said I would post with the composition, which is 157
grammes per litre of phenmediphame. I have used it and it worked. Can
I but this in England under another name as I cannot find it here?


I'm happy to say thank god nobody can find it!! Dersherbant Fraisiers
are not recommended for small gardens but are for farmers.

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Surprising then to find it on a French site for French gardeners!

"DESHERBANT fraisiers

157 g/l de phenmédiphame. Désherbant systémique des fraisiers,
betteraves, bettes, épinards, endives. S'applique dès la levée des
mauvaises herbes. Homologation : 6700288. Dose : 7 ml/l d'eau pour 10
m2.

Disponibilité : dès octobre 2005"

http://www.jardiniersdefrance.com/fr...amille_id=3101
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www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon

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In article .com,
Sacha writes

Surprising then to find it on a French site for French gardeners!

"DESHERBANT fraisiers

157 g/l de phenmédiphame. Désherbant systémique des fraisiers,
betteraves, bettes, épinards, endives. S'applique dès la levée des
mauvaises herbes. Homologation : 6700288. Dose : 7 ml/l d'eau pour 10
m2.

Disponibilité : dès octobre 2005"

http://www.jardiniersdefrance.com/fr...ts.asp?sousfam
ille_id=3101

You are quite right Sacha, it is not for farmers use but small garden
use hence it is sold in sachets of 5 per box, each sachet of 8ml makes
up 1 litre which is then sprayed onto the foliage - not the surrounding
plants and not the earth and I sprayed in February when bees and insects
are not around in any great number.
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Judith Lea
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Judith Lea wrote:
You are quite right Sacha, it is not for farmers use but small garden
use hence it is sold in sachets of 5 per box, each sachet of 8ml makes
up 1 litre which is then sprayed onto the foliage - not the surrounding
plants and not the earth and I sprayed in February when bees and insects
are not around in any great number.


I didn't mean to offend Judith. The product is very much like the
Roundup we get here (and in France too). It is coded with XF which
means 'irreversible effects'.

Note also that Fertiligene used to be called Betalane but had to change
it's name because they put the word 'jardin' which was misleading and
dangerous for the amateur gardeners. In Bretagne they have banned using
it in agriculture because it has contaminated many rivers (in the News
in 1999).

Nonetheless phenmédiphame is dangerous. First you are meant to spray
it when weeds starts hence in April not February. Second it's 'irritant
pour les voies respiratoires' which means it irritates the respiratory
system in mammals therefore humans too, it also 'entraine une
sensibilisation par contact avec la peau' which means it is a skin
irritant, it also advise to 'eviter les expositions repetees' which
means not to use it repetitively and 'eviter toute exposition des
femmes en debut de grossesse' which means dangerous for pregnant women.


I'd immagine the list does go on but it's your garden and your life.
However it's also my planet )



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La Puce wrote:
Judith Lea wrote:
You are quite right Sacha, it is not for farmers use but small garden
use hence it is sold in sachets of 5 per box, each sachet of 8ml makes
up 1 litre which is then sprayed onto the foliage - not the surrounding
plants and not the earth and I sprayed in February when bees and insects
are not around in any great number.


I didn't mean to offend Judith. The product is very much like the
Roundup we get here (and in France too). It is coded with XF which
means 'irreversible effects'.

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I think the point here is that, like all of us, Judith must choose what
she uses in her garden. But to tell her that something is intended for
agricultural use only is misleading when, quite clearly, it is not.
And, with respect, it's not very useful to tell someone to enjoy the
pretty butterflies when what they want to do is enjoy their
strawberries, which was the object of Judith's exercise. The two are
not necessarily mutually exclusive!
In her place, I would dig up the strawberries next year and move them
to another plot in her garden and then deal with the nettles OR leave
them for the wildlife. But only we know our own gardens and indeed,
our own tastes and concerns as to how we look after them and how much
space we can use for what.
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Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon

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Sacha wrote:
I think the point here is that, like all of us, Judith must choose what
she uses in her garden. But to tell her that something is intended for
agricultural use only is misleading when, quite clearly, it is not.
And, with respect, it's not very useful to tell someone to enjoy the
pretty butterflies when what they want to do is enjoy their
strawberries, which was the object of Judith's exercise. The two are
not necessarily mutually exclusive!
In her place, I would dig up the strawberries next year and move them
to another plot in her garden and then deal with the nettles OR leave
them for the wildlife. But only we know our own gardens and indeed,
our own tastes and concerns as to how we look after them and how much
space we can use for what.


I totally agree with you there and perhaps my concerns are for another
discussion )



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