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ste-m 06-10-2006 01:50 AM

Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
 
Hi there,

When we moved into our house two years ago, there were small (like a foot
tall) green plants with spikey leaves in the front garden, which the
previous owners had recently planted.

Two years later, these small plants are now about 7-8 foot tall or more!
I'm
just trying to find out what the name of the plant is, and whether anyone
can ID it from a photo?

My Mum has a gardening book, and our plant looks similar to something called
'Dragon Tree' (or 'Dracaena'), but our plant doesn't have a trunk as such,
but has leaves sprouting from it from the ground up, so I thought this might
be a slightly different species?

The photo can be found he http://tinyurl.com/q5gjt

From the ID, I hope to find out how tall it grows, and about whether it can
be dug up and replanted elsewhere in the garden (that doesn't block the
living room window!), or even in a large plant pot (I doubt it though!).

Thanks for any help,

Stephen




Farm1 06-10-2006 03:34 AM

Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
 
"ste-m" wrote in message

When we moved into our house two years ago, there were small (like a

foot
tall) green plants with spikey leaves in the front garden,


I'd say it's a Yucca. It would grow into a multibranched "tree" in a
warm climate but you could cut off the top and replant that in a pot
or move the whole thing while it's still small. Tough as old boots.



Rupert \(W.Yorkshire\) 06-10-2006 02:29 PM

Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
 

"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...
The message
from "ste-m" contains these words:

Hi there,


When we moved into our house two years ago, there were small (like a foot
tall) green plants with spikey leaves in the front garden, which the
previous owners had recently planted.


Two years later, these small plants are now about 7-8 foot tall or more!



My Mum has a gardening book, and our plant looks similar to something
called
'Dragon Tree' (or 'Dracaena'), but our plant doesn't have a trunk as
such,
but has leaves sprouting from it from the ground up, so I thought this
might
be a slightly different species?


The photo can be found he http://tinyurl.com/q5gjt


Dracaena isn't hardy enough to have survived winters, and yucca
(which is) is rather slowgrowing in the UK.

From the pic, description and speed of growth, I think it's cordyline
australis, aka "cabbage palm". and "Torquay palm". They aren't cabbages
or palms but a lot of them grow in Torquay, and mature trees have the
exotic look of a palm.

If so, starting in a year or so the lower leaves will die and drop off
successively , leaving a bare very fibrous rough textured "trunk" with a
big head of fresh leaves at the top (and huge heads of tiny honey
scented flowers in summer) . They do grow fast in mild areas , I think
the tallest one here is around 40 ft . Higher than that and they tend to
get snapped by gales and start regrowing from the base.

However, you can easily keep them to a more manageable size by just
cutting off the trunk. New, multiple heads will sprout from below, often
making a branched plant with multiple heads. I don't think you're going
to want either shape growing that close to a window, unless the view out
is truly awful :-), and I wouldn't want the roots that close to the
house walls.

Moving them is hard work because even young plants quickly send out
enormous root systems. I moved two unwanted 5-footers from a neighbour's
garden to mine last year and it took two of us a good half day. One
died immediately, the other died at the top but the base resprouted this
spring and now has 5 strong new heads growing from the base.

If you just want an easy way out, you could saw it off at ground
level and apply a stump killer.

Janet.(Isle of Arran)


I will go with cordyline as well but if it's a cordyline then I don't think
it is australis because the leaves look a tad too broad. It certainly seems
to have a very thick trunk for an australis at this stage of growth and I
would have thought that the lower leaves would have died by now. Cordyline
indivisa perhaps.
Incidentally the word Dracaena gets used for cordylines and it is incorrect
but widely used.
"This tree was formerly called 'dracaena' - whence 'Dracaena Avenue' in
Falmouth in Cornwall"
http://www.habitas.org.uk/gardenflora/cordyline1.htm

Having said all that the taxonomy of these things seems a bit confusing.
Every time I see a Cordyline it looks slightly different to the last one I
saw,broader leaf, different rib colour or shade etc. I think there has been
a massive promiscuous going on at some stage:-)





Uncle Marvo 06-10-2006 02:44 PM

Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
 
In reply to ste-m ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say :

It's not a dracanea, it's not a yukka, it's not a cordyline d'australie, but
it's a cordyline dracaenoides.

HTH

Unc




ste-m 06-10-2006 03:47 PM

Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
 

"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message
...
"ste-m" wrote in message

When we moved into our house two years ago, there were small (like a

foot
tall) green plants with spikey leaves in the front garden,


I'd say it's a Yucca. It would grow into a multibranched "tree" in a
warm climate but you could cut off the top and replant that in a pot
or move the whole thing while it's still small. Tough as old boots.


Thanks for that - tough as old boots, so I guess the roots will be tough
too! Might have to get help with this one! :)

Stephen



ste-m 06-10-2006 03:47 PM

Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
 

"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...
The message
from "ste-m" contains these words:

snip

The photo can be found he http://tinyurl.com/q5gjt


Dracaena isn't hardy enough to have survived winters, and yucca
(which is) is rather slowgrowing in the UK.

From the pic, description and speed of growth, I think it's cordyline
australis, aka "cabbage palm". and "Torquay palm". They aren't cabbages
or palms but a lot of them grow in Torquay, and mature trees have the
exotic look of a palm.


Thanks for this, it certainly looks exotic!


If so, starting in a year or so the lower leaves will die and drop off
successively , leaving a bare very fibrous rough textured "trunk" with a
big head of fresh leaves at the top (and huge heads of tiny honey
scented flowers in summer) . They do grow fast in mild areas , I think
the tallest one here is around 40 ft . Higher than that and they tend to
get snapped by gales and start regrowing from the base.


40ft? Blimey! Like having a Leylandi in front of the house! :-S I've just
took some better pictures and it looks as though the lower leaves are
already starting to go brown and die off.


However, you can easily keep them to a more manageable size by just
cutting off the trunk. New, multiple heads will sprout from below, often
making a branched plant with multiple heads. I don't think you're going
to want either shape growing that close to a window, unless the view out
is truly awful :-), and I wouldn't want the roots that close to the
house walls.


The view isn't bad, but look out it's like a scene from Jack and the
Beanstalk! :-)


Moving them is hard work because even young plants quickly send out
enormous root systems. I moved two unwanted 5-footers from a neighbour's
garden to mine last year and it took two of us a good half day. One
died immediately, the other died at the top but the base resprouted this
spring and now has 5 strong new heads growing from the base.

If you just want an easy way out, you could saw it off at ground
level and apply a stump killer.

Janet.(Isle of Arran)


Thanks Janet,

Stephen



ste-m 06-10-2006 03:47 PM

Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
 

"Rupert (W.Yorkshire)" wrote in message
...

"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...
The message
from "ste-m" contains these words:

snip
From the pic, description and speed of growth, I think it's cordyline
australis, aka "cabbage palm". and "Torquay palm". They aren't cabbages
or palms but a lot of them grow in Torquay, and mature trees have the
exotic look of a palm.

If so, starting in a year or so the lower leaves will die and drop off
successively , leaving a bare very fibrous rough textured "trunk" with a
big head of fresh leaves at the top (and huge heads of tiny honey
scented flowers in summer) . They do grow fast in mild areas , I think
the tallest one here is around 40 ft . Higher than that and they tend to
get snapped by gales and start regrowing from the base.

However, you can easily keep them to a more manageable size by just
cutting off the trunk. New, multiple heads will sprout from below, often
making a branched plant with multiple heads. I don't think you're going
to want either shape growing that close to a window, unless the view out
is truly awful :-), and I wouldn't want the roots that close to the
house walls.

Moving them is hard work because even young plants quickly send out
enormous root systems. I moved two unwanted 5-footers from a neighbour's
garden to mine last year and it took two of us a good half day. One
died immediately, the other died at the top but the base resprouted this
spring and now has 5 strong new heads growing from the base.

If you just want an easy way out, you could saw it off at ground
level and apply a stump killer.

Janet.(Isle of Arran)


I will go with cordyline as well but if it's a cordyline then I don't
think it is australis because the leaves look a tad too broad. It
certainly seems to have a very thick trunk for an australis at this stage
of growth and I would have thought that the lower leaves would have died
by now. Cordyline indivisa perhaps.
Incidentally the word Dracaena gets used for cordylines and it is
incorrect but widely used.
"This tree was formerly called 'dracaena' - whence 'Dracaena Avenue' in
Falmouth in Cornwall"
http://www.habitas.org.uk/gardenflora/cordyline1.htm

Having said all that the taxonomy of these things seems a bit confusing.
Every time I see a Cordyline it looks slightly different to the last one I
saw,broader leaf, different rib colour or shade etc. I think there has
been a massive promiscuous going on at some stage:-)


Thanks for that Rupert - I saw a similar looking plant in Tesco a few days
ago and I think that was a Cordline, but as it has distinct yellow markings
in the centre of the leaves, I thought it wouldn't be; but as you say, they
seem to come in all colours and varieties.

Thanks,

Stephen



ste-m 06-10-2006 03:47 PM

Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
 

"Uncle Marvo" wrote in message
...
In reply to ste-m ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say :

It's not a dracanea, it's not a yukka, it's not a cordyline d'australie,
but it's a cordyline dracaenoides.

HTH

Unc


Thanks Unc - that's quite a few similar suggestions I've got now - I'm just
going to upload the better pictures so we can clear this up once and for
all!

Thanks,

Stephen



ste-m 06-10-2006 03:47 PM

Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
 
Hi there,

Sorry for the tiny picture I included below, it wasn't very useful for a
clear ID, and as such, I've had 3-4 different suggestions.

To clear this up, I've just been in the garden and have took a few more
photos, so hopefully, you won't mind taking another look and confirming the
name of it?

http://tinyurl.com/r225r - Full picture

http://tinyurl.com/pklgd - Picture of the centre section

http://tinyurl.com/mztz8 - Picture of the base section

Thanks for all your help, it's appreciated.

Stephen



"ste-m" wrote in message
...
Hi there,

When we moved into our house two years ago, there were small (like a foot
tall) green plants with spikey leaves in the front garden, which the
previous owners had recently planted.

Two years later, these small plants are now about 7-8 foot tall or more!
I'm
just trying to find out what the name of the plant is, and whether anyone
can ID it from a photo?

My Mum has a gardening book, and our plant looks similar to something
called
'Dragon Tree' (or 'Dracaena'), but our plant doesn't have a trunk as such,
but has leaves sprouting from it from the ground up, so I thought this
might be a slightly different species?

The photo can be found he http://tinyurl.com/q5gjt

From the ID, I hope to find out how tall it grows, and about whether it
can be dug up and replanted elsewhere in the garden (that doesn't block
the living room window!), or even in a large plant pot (I doubt it
though!).

Thanks for any help,

Stephen






Sacha[_1_] 06-10-2006 05:02 PM

Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
 
On 6/10/06 14:29, in article , "Rupert (W.Yorkshire)"
wrote:

snip
I will go with cordyline as well but if it's a cordyline then I don't think
it is australis because the leaves look a tad too broad. It certainly seems
to have a very thick trunk for an australis at this stage of growth and I
would have thought that the lower leaves would have died by now. Cordyline
indivisa perhaps.
Incidentally the word Dracaena gets used for cordylines and it is incorrect
but widely used.
"This tree was formerly called 'dracaena' - whence 'Dracaena Avenue' in
Falmouth in Cornwall"
http://www.habitas.org.uk/gardenflora/cordyline1.htm

Having said all that the taxonomy of these things seems a bit confusing.
Every time I see a Cordyline it looks slightly different to the last one I
saw,broader leaf, different rib colour or shade etc. I think there has been
a massive promiscuous going on at some stage:-)

The Torbay Palm or cabbage palm has a clear trunk as far as I know. I don't
think they ever have leaves going all the way to the ground. David Poole
will know better than I but I don't recall seeing them like this one.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/


Sacha[_1_] 06-10-2006 05:33 PM

Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
 
On 6/10/06 17:02, in article , "Sacha"
wrote:

On 6/10/06 14:29, in article , "Rupert (W.Yorkshire)"
wrote:

snip
I will go with cordyline as well but if it's a cordyline then I don't think
it is australis because the leaves look a tad too broad. It certainly seems
to have a very thick trunk for an australis at this stage of growth and I
would have thought that the lower leaves would have died by now. Cordyline
indivisa perhaps.
Incidentally the word Dracaena gets used for cordylines and it is incorrect
but widely used.
"This tree was formerly called 'dracaena' - whence 'Dracaena Avenue' in
Falmouth in Cornwall"
http://www.habitas.org.uk/gardenflora/cordyline1.htm

Having said all that the taxonomy of these things seems a bit confusing.
Every time I see a Cordyline it looks slightly different to the last one I
saw,broader leaf, different rib colour or shade etc. I think there has been
a massive promiscuous going on at some stage:-)

The Torbay Palm or cabbage palm has a clear trunk as far as I know. I don't
think they ever have leaves going all the way to the ground. David Poole
will know better than I but I don't recall seeing them like this one.


Just one other thought, though almost certainly wrong. Could it be a
Cordyline indivisa?

--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/


Rupert \(W.Yorkshire\) 06-10-2006 06:54 PM

Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
 

"Sacha" wrote in message
...
On 6/10/06 17:02, in article , "Sacha"
wrote:

On 6/10/06 14:29, in article , "Rupert
(W.Yorkshire)"
wrote:

snip
I will go with cordyline as well but if it's a cordyline then I don't
think
it is australis because the leaves look a tad too broad. It certainly
seems
to have a very thick trunk for an australis at this stage of growth and
I
would have thought that the lower leaves would have died by now.
Cordyline
indivisa perhaps.
Incidentally the word Dracaena gets used for cordylines and it is
incorrect
but widely used.
"This tree was formerly called 'dracaena' - whence 'Dracaena Avenue' in
Falmouth in Cornwall"
http://www.habitas.org.uk/gardenflora/cordyline1.htm

Having said all that the taxonomy of these things seems a bit confusing.
Every time I see a Cordyline it looks slightly different to the last one
I
saw,broader leaf, different rib colour or shade etc. I think there has
been
a massive promiscuous going on at some stage:-)

The Torbay Palm or cabbage palm has a clear trunk as far as I know. I
don't
think they ever have leaves going all the way to the ground. David Poole
will know better than I but I don't recall seeing them like this one.


Just one other thought, though almost certainly wrong. Could it be a
Cordyline indivisa?

--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/

Rupert also thinks it might be indivisa --a few lines back in this post. He
is probably wrong.:-)



Rupert \(W.Yorkshire\) 06-10-2006 07:02 PM

Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
 

"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...
The message
from "Rupert \(W.Yorkshire\)" contains these words:



I will go with cordyline as well but if it's a cordyline then I don't
think
it is australis because the leaves look a tad too broad. It certainly
seems
to have a very thick trunk for an australis at this stage of growth and I
would have thought that the lower leaves would have died by now.
Cordyline
indivisa perhaps.


I have what the nursery grower claimed was a seedling cordyline
indivisa, (have to say, his labelling is not great). It has much broader
leaves than the OP's pic, the underneaths are a powdery blue . But it's
a slow thing and certainly hasn't make the rapid growth of the OP's, (
still barely 2 ft tall with no trunk, after 2 years)

snip
Janet.


I think on this occasion his labelling is correct. It sounds exactly like a
pukka indivisa unlike the one I bought last week from Homebase labelled as
such. Nice wide leaves but missing the obligatory blue - a bargain which is
to be planted in wet shade as an experiment:-)



Rupert \(W.Yorkshire\) 06-10-2006 07:04 PM

Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
 

"Sacha" wrote in message
...
On 6/10/06 18:54, in article , "Rupert
(W.Yorkshire)"
wrote:


"Sacha" wrote in message
...
On 6/10/06 17:02, in article , "Sacha"
wrote:

On 6/10/06 14:29, in article , "Rupert
(W.Yorkshire)"
wrote:

snip
I will go with cordyline as well but if it's a cordyline then I don't
think
it is australis because the leaves look a tad too broad. It certainly
seems
to have a very thick trunk for an australis at this stage of growth
and
I
would have thought that the lower leaves would have died by now.
Cordyline
indivisa perhaps.

snip

Just one other thought, though almost certainly wrong. Could it be a
Cordyline indivisa?

--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/

Rupert also thinks it might be indivisa --a few lines back in this post.
He
is probably wrong.:-)


Whoops, sorry! I didn't see that and I should have.

--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/

I do not believe you.You were trying to steal my moment of Glory:-)



ste-m 06-10-2006 07:07 PM

Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
 

"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...
The message
from "ste-m" contains these words:

To clear this up, I've just been in the garden and have took a few more
photos, so hopefully, you won't mind taking another look and confirming
the
name of it?


http://tinyurl.com/r225r - Full picture


http://tinyurl.com/pklgd - Picture of the centre section


http://tinyurl.com/mztz8 - Picture of the base section


They're not working here.

Janet


Hi Janet,

They work for me, but as I've got a glitch in my Outlook Express, I have to
copy and paste the links into a web browser manually. :-S The first one
should confirm if it's an indivisa or not! :-)

Thanks,

Stephen



Sacha[_1_] 06-10-2006 07:07 PM

Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
 
On 6/10/06 18:54, in article , "Rupert (W.Yorkshire)"
wrote:


"Sacha" wrote in message
...
On 6/10/06 17:02, in article , "Sacha"
wrote:

On 6/10/06 14:29, in article , "Rupert
(W.Yorkshire)"
wrote:

snip
I will go with cordyline as well but if it's a cordyline then I don't
think
it is australis because the leaves look a tad too broad. It certainly
seems
to have a very thick trunk for an australis at this stage of growth and
I
would have thought that the lower leaves would have died by now.
Cordyline
indivisa perhaps.

snip

Just one other thought, though almost certainly wrong. Could it be a
Cordyline indivisa?

--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/

Rupert also thinks it might be indivisa --a few lines back in this post. He
is probably wrong.:-)


Whoops, sorry! I didn't see that and I should have.

--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/


Rupert \(W.Yorkshire\) 06-10-2006 07:21 PM

Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
 

"ste-m" wrote in message
...
Hi there,

Sorry for the tiny picture I included below, it wasn't very useful for a
clear ID, and as such, I've had 3-4 different suggestions.

To clear this up, I've just been in the garden and have took a few more
photos, so hopefully, you won't mind taking another look and confirming
the name of it?

http://tinyurl.com/r225r - Full picture

http://tinyurl.com/pklgd - Picture of the centre section

http://tinyurl.com/mztz8 - Picture of the base section

Thanks for all your help, it's appreciated.

Stephen



"ste-m" wrote in message
...
Hi there,

When we moved into our house two years ago, there were small (like a foot
tall) green plants with spikey leaves in the front garden, which the
previous owners had recently planted.

Two years later, these small plants are now about 7-8 foot tall or more!
I'm
just trying to find out what the name of the plant is, and whether anyone
can ID it from a photo?

My Mum has a gardening book, and our plant looks similar to something
called
'Dragon Tree' (or 'Dracaena'), but our plant doesn't have a trunk as
such, but has leaves sprouting from it from the ground up, so I thought
this might be a slightly different species?

The photo can be found he http://tinyurl.com/q5gjt

From the ID, I hope to find out how tall it grows, and about whether it
can be dug up and replanted elsewhere in the garden (that doesn't block
the living room window!), or even in a large plant pot (I doubt it
though!).

Thanks for any help,

Stephen


Ah that's better--it is definitely a cordyline. Perhaps indivisa but who
cares --it is a nice plant.



Farm1 06-10-2006 09:28 PM

Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
 
"ste-m" wrote in message
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message
"ste-m" wrote in message

When we moved into our house two years ago, there were small

(like a
foot
tall) green plants with spikey leaves in the front garden,


I'd say it's a Yucca. It would grow into a multibranched "tree"

in a
warm climate but you could cut off the top and replant that in a

pot
or move the whole thing while it's still small. Tough as old

boots.

Thanks for that - tough as old boots, so I guess the roots will be

tough
too! Might have to get help with this one! :)


Actually, I've now changed my mind. I now agree with others that it's
a cordyline.



Sacha[_1_] 06-10-2006 09:53 PM

Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
 
On 6/10/06 19:04, in article , "Rupert (W.Yorkshire)"
wrote:


"Sacha" wrote in message
...

snip

Rupert also thinks it might be indivisa --a few lines back in this post.
He
is probably wrong.:-)


Whoops, sorry! I didn't see that and I should have.


I do not believe you.You were trying to steal my moment of Glory:-)


Damn. You guessed!

--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/


Rupert \(W.Yorkshire\) 06-10-2006 10:21 PM

Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
 

"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message
...
"ste-m" wrote in message
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message
"ste-m" wrote in message

When we moved into our house two years ago, there were small

(like a
foot
tall) green plants with spikey leaves in the front garden,

I'd say it's a Yucca. It would grow into a multibranched "tree"

in a
warm climate but you could cut off the top and replant that in a

pot
or move the whole thing while it's still small. Tough as old

boots.

Thanks for that - tough as old boots, so I guess the roots will be

tough
too! Might have to get help with this one! :)


Actually, I've now changed my mind. I now agree with others that it's
a cordyline.


OK Farm I accept your reversal of opinion:-), although based on the original
pic it could have been several things
Any idea of which cordyline.?



DavePoole Torquay 07-10-2006 08:42 AM

Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
 
Rupert (W.Yorkshire) wrote:

OK Farm I accept your reversal of opinion:-), although based on the original
pic it could have been several things
Any idea of which cordyline.?


This is none other than good old Cordyline australis. It is a highly
variable species with leaves from little more that 2cms. in width right
up to 8cms. in the broadest leaved forms. Leaf colour can be anything
from greyish-green to vivid emerald green and the leaves can arch
gracefully from the crown or be quite stiff forming a rather spikey
outline. Young plants growing in decent soil retain most of their
lower leaves for several years, but eventually only those immediately
around the crown will remain. It will then assume the characteristic
'mop-head' outline. After a few more years, it will flower and branch
out immediately below the flower spike.

While Cordyline dracaeniodes is superficially similar, its growth habit
and leaf shape - particularly at the leaf tips are different. Its an
easy grower and may do as well as C. australis in the UK, but it has
only been generally available for a relatively short time. It's too
soon to tell from the ultimate hardiness point of view. Interestingly,
it is the only New World species of Cordyline, being a native of S.
Brazil, Argentina and Paraguay. All other Cordylines are from
Australasia and Indonesia.

Cordyline indivisa is unmistakably different, with very broad olive
green leaves to 20cms.+ wide eventually and extremely glaucouse, almost
purplish young shoots. This New Zealander develops into a very
impressive plant, rarely branching until it reaches maturity. It is
tricky to grow well, requiring a constantly moist, humus rich slightly
acid soil and prefers year round rain. Extremes of heat or cold send
it into a rapid decline and for no apparent reason at all, a healthy
plant can suddenly turn yellow and die in a matter of months. If
you've grown it or seen it, you cannot confuse it with even the
broadest leaved australis.


michael adams[_2_] 07-10-2006 08:57 AM

Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
 

"DavePoole Torquay" wrote in message
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Rupert (W.Yorkshire) wrote:

OK Farm I accept your reversal of opinion:-), although based on the

original
pic it could have been several things
Any idea of which cordyline.?


This is none other than good old Cordyline australis. It is a highly
variable species with leaves from little more that 2cms. in width right
up to 8cms. in the broadest leaved forms. Leaf colour can be anything
from greyish-green to vivid emerald green and the leaves can arch
gracefully from the crown or be quite stiff forming a rather spikey
outline. Young plants growing in decent soil retain most of their
lower leaves for several years, but eventually only those immediately
around the crown will remain. It will then assume the characteristic
'mop-head' outline. After a few more years, it will flower and branch
out immediately below the flower spike.

While Cordyline dracaeniodes is superficially similar, its growth habit
and leaf shape - particularly at the leaf tips are different. Its an
easy grower and may do as well as C. australis in the UK, but it has
only been generally available for a relatively short time. It's too
soon to tell from the ultimate hardiness point of view. Interestingly,
it is the only New World species of Cordyline, being a native of S.
Brazil, Argentina and Paraguay. All other Cordylines are from
Australasia and Indonesia.

Cordyline indivisa is unmistakably different, with very broad olive
green leaves to 20cms.+ wide eventually and extremely glaucouse, almost
purplish young shoots. This New Zealander develops into a very
impressive plant, rarely branching until it reaches maturity. It is
tricky to grow well, requiring a constantly moist, humus rich slightly
acid soil and prefers year round rain. Extremes of heat or cold send
it into a rapid decline and for no apparent reason at all, a healthy
plant can suddenly turn yellow and die in a matter of months. If
you've grown it or seen it, you cannot confuse it with even the
broadest leaved australis.


....

Judging from its present size, is it practical in your opinion, for
the OP to dig it up and move it from its present position, where it
will soon be blocking the window ?


michael adams

....







DavePoole Torquay 07-10-2006 09:07 AM

Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
 
michael adams wrote:

Judging from its present size, is it practical in your opinion, for
the OP to dig it up and move it from its present position, where it
will soon be blocking the window ?


I've known much larger ones successfully transplanted, although they
looked very sad for the first year. If it is carefully lifted with a
good sized root-ball, replanted into a well-prepared site and kept well
watered for the first summer, it should be fine. Spring is the ideal
time since root growth will be at maximum and new roots will be able to
occupy new ground quickly. Be prepared for significant leaf loss - the
plant will almost certainly try to reduce moisture loss by shedding a
good number of leaves. The trunk will remain leafless (the natural
state when nearing maturity), but the crown will fill out again and
normal growth will resume.


DavePoole Torquay 07-10-2006 09:15 AM

Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
 
Rupert (W.Yorkshire) wrote:

I think on this occasion his labelling is correct. It sounds exactly like a
pukka indivisa unlike the one I bought last week from Homebase labelled as
such. Nice wide leaves but missing the obligatory blue - a bargain which is
to be planted in wet shade as an experiment:-)


As mentioned before, there's no mistaking this one. This is a pic of
one of mine at around 3 years old grown from seed. Leaves were already
18cms. across. Older leaves turn olive green, but younger ones are
very glaucous. They also have a very prominent, orange central vein.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...1/indivisa.jpg


JennyC 07-10-2006 09:38 AM

Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
 

"DavePoole Torquay" wrote in message
ups.com...
Rupert (W.Yorkshire) wrote:

I think on this occasion his labelling is correct. It sounds exactly like
a
pukka indivisa unlike the one I bought last week from Homebase labelled
as
such. Nice wide leaves but missing the obligatory blue - a bargain which
is
to be planted in wet shade as an experiment:-)


As mentioned before, there's no mistaking this one. This is a pic of
one of mine at around 3 years old grown from seed. Leaves were already
18cms. across. Older leaves turn olive green, but younger ones are
very glaucous. They also have a very prominent, orange central vein.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...1/indivisa.jpg


Hi Dave,

How's the book coming along?
Jenny :~)



DavePoole Torquay 07-10-2006 07:44 PM

Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
 
JennyC wrote:

How's the book coming along?
Jenny :~)


Still nearly finished Jenny, but still in pieces :| Maybe one day I'll
get around to it.


ste-m 09-10-2006 01:24 PM

Plant ID - Similar to Dracaena
 
Hi there,

There are now too many posts for me to reply to individually, so I just
wanted to thank those who responded to my request for help, all of your
advice is much appreciated.

Thanks,

Stephen




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