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Armilotox, what strength?
Friend wants to rid his lawn of a number of fairy rings, I suggested in the
old days he could have used Armilatox, what is now sold as just a patio cleaner, but what strength did one use it at in those days to rid a lawn of fungi? I'm not suggesting for one moment he breaks the law and uses it for that purpose now. :-) -- Regards Bob H 17mls W. of London.UK |
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Armilotox, what strength?
Bob Hobden wrote: Friend wants to rid his lawn of a number of fairy rings, I suggested in the old days he could have used Armilatox, what is now sold as just a patio cleaner, but what strength did one use it at in those days to rid a lawn of fungi? I'm not suggesting for one moment he breaks the law and uses it for that purpose now. :-) A friend put down a plastic sheet all around the ring she had in her lawn (her parents lawn actually - she would never get rid of hers), forming a circle from the ring to about 1m wide outwards. The spores of the fungi 'fly' outwards (hence the rings usually getting bigger year after year) and were collected in the sheet. She did this over two seasons and the fungis desappeared without using any chemicals. Sorry Bob, but you know me .... ) |
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writes Friend wants to rid his lawn of a number of fairy rings, I suggested in the old days he could have used Armilatox, what is now sold as just a patio cleaner, but what strength did one use it at in those days to rid a lawn of fungi? I'm not suggesting for one moment he breaks the law and uses it for that purpose now. :-) If you look on www.armillatox.co.uk you will find that it can't be used for this purpose in Europe but if you go to www.armillatox.com you will see how the rest of the world are able to use it. This will probably help your friend not to mis-use it effectively. Regards, Colin -- Colin Brook - Winchester (UK) Tel:+44(0)1962-714030 Fax:+44(0)8701641293 Mobile:07976258703 |
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"La Puce" wrote in message oups.com... Bob Hobden wrote: Friend wants to rid his lawn of a number of fairy rings, I suggested in the old days he could have used Armilatox, what is now sold as just a patio cleaner, but what strength did one use it at in those days to rid a lawn of fungi? I'm not suggesting for one moment he breaks the law and uses it for that purpose now. :-) A friend put down a plastic sheet all around the ring she had in her lawn (her parents lawn actually - she would never get rid of hers), forming a circle from the ring to about 1m wide outwards. The spores of the fungi 'fly' outwards (hence the rings usually getting bigger year after year) and were collected in the sheet. The mushrooms in fairy rings are simply the visble evidence of fungal strands or mycelium which spread in the soil to a depth of 10 to 12 inches. They don't propogate on the surface at all, so a plastic sheet could be of no possible use. michael adams She did this over two seasons and the fungis desappeared without using any chemicals. Sorry Bob, but you know me .... ) |
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Armilotox, what strength?
michael adams writes
"La Puce" wrote in message roups.com... A friend put down a plastic sheet all around the ring she had in her lawn (her parents lawn actually - she would never get rid of hers), forming a circle from the ring to about 1m wide outwards. The spores of the fungi 'fly' outwards (hence the rings usually getting bigger year after year) and were collected in the sheet. The mushrooms in fairy rings are simply the visble evidence of fungal strands or mycelium which spread in the soil to a depth of 10 to 12 inches. They don't propogate on the surface at all, so a plastic sheet could be of no possible use. By coincidence, I was at a talk yesterday by one of the country's leading mycologists. The fungus grows steadily outwards, fruiting around the outside, hence the expanding ring. You can form an estimate of the age of the fungus but the diameter of the ring of fruiting bodies. Since the spores aren't propelled in any way by the fungus, they are dependent on air currents for their dispersal. It's hard to envisage a mechanism whereby they would be carried outwards only. If putting a plastic sheet down killed the fungus, then it wasn't by the mechanism described. -- Kay |
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"Colin Brook" replied to Bob Hobden who wrote Friend wants to rid his lawn of a number of fairy rings, I suggested in the old days he could have used Armilatox, what is now sold as just a patio cleaner, but what strength did one use it at in those days to rid a lawn of fungi? I'm not suggesting for one moment he breaks the law and uses it for that purpose now. :-) If you look on www.armillatox.co.uk you will find that it can't be used for this purpose in Europe but if you go to www.armillatox.com you will see how the rest of the world are able to use it. This will probably help your friend not to mis-use it effectively. Excellent, thank you Colin. -- Regards Bob H 17mls W. of London.UK |
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K wrote: By coincidence, I was at a talk yesterday by one of the country's leading mycologists. The fungus grows steadily outwards, fruiting around the outside, hence the expanding ring. You can form an estimate of the age of the fungus but the diameter of the ring of fruiting bodies. Since the spores aren't propelled in any way by the fungus, they are dependent on air currents for their dispersal. It's hard to envisage a mechanism whereby they would be carried outwards only. If putting a plastic sheet down killed the fungus, then it wasn't by the mechanism described. There's something to do with the nutrients that the mushrooms seek in the soil hence them moving outwards and spores falling on depleted soil wouldn't do well. I think that's the mechanism for the fungis to move outwards. The spores collecting are an option, an organic one, which works. Off course there's the wind, hence the 1m sheet outwards. |
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Armilotox, what strength?
"La Puce" wrote in message oups.com... K wrote: By coincidence, I was at a talk yesterday by one of the country's leading mycologists. The fungus grows steadily outwards, fruiting around the outside, hence the expanding ring. You can form an estimate of the age of the fungus but the diameter of the ring of fruiting bodies. Since the spores aren't propelled in any way by the fungus, they are dependent on air currents for their dispersal. It's hard to envisage a mechanism whereby they would be carried outwards only. If putting a plastic sheet down killed the fungus, then it wasn't by the mechanism described. There's something to do with the nutrients that the mushrooms seek in the soil hence them moving outwards and spores falling on depleted soil wouldn't do well. .... Fairy rings have nothing to do with spores As was pointed our previously, the mushrooms are produced by the mycelium which is between 12 and 15 inches underground. The mycelium is the main fungal body. Its the mycelium which pushes outwards which produce mushrooms, nit mushrooms which produce the mycelium. Spores merely enable fungi to colonise new areas with no mycyleum alreadt present. quote Understanding fairy rings requires an understanding of how mushrooms grow. Like apples on an apple tree, the "mushrooms" we see are only the reproductive fruit bodies of the "true" organism, which is called a mycelium. The mycelium grows underground; it is a mass of elongated, hungry cells that feed on nutrients, pushing and growing through the substrate as long as there is food available. When the substrate is evenly composed--that is, when the food supply is constant and uninterrupted--the mycelium grows ever-outward, leaving behind the nutrient-poor substrate it has consumed and pushing into new territory. If the mycelium decides to produce mushrooms, the result is a fairy ring. Many species produce mushrooms more or less annually. quote http://www.mushroomexpert.com/fairy_rings.html michael adams .... I think that's the mechanism for the fungis to move outwards. The spores collecting are an option, an organic one, which works. Off course there's the wind, hence the 1m sheet outwards. |
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Armilotox, what strength?
michael adams wrote: As was pointed our previously, the mushrooms are produced by the mycelium which is between 12 and 15 inches underground. The mycelium is the main fungal body. Its the mycelium which pushes outwards which produce mushrooms, nit mushrooms which produce the mycelium. Spores merely enable fungi to colonise new areas with no mycyleum alreadt present. But why, like fairy rings mushrooms, other field fungis do not grow in rings? |
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Armilotox, what strength?
"La Puce" wrote in message ps.com... michael adams wrote: As was pointed our previously, the mushrooms are produced by the mycelium which is between 12 and 15 inches underground. The mycelium is the main fungal body. Its the mycelium which pushes outwards which produce mushrooms, nit mushrooms which produce the mycelium. Spores merely enable fungi to colonise new areas with no mycyleum alreadt present. But why, like fairy rings mushrooms, other field fungis do not grow in rings? 4 paragraphs on from the previous quote - quote Just about any terrestrial mushroom can pop up in fairy rings. What is required is simply an evenly composed substrate. Since lawns are tended environments created by people whose goal is an evenly composed substrate, they are frequent fairy ring sites for grass-loving mushrooms like Marasmius oreades, Chlorophyllum molybdites, and Agaricus campestris. Woods are messier than lawns, and involve territory that is usually not very consistent in its composition--but every so often one finds a ring or partial ring created by a woodland species in a rare patch of stable environment; I have seen species of Amanita and Russula, for example, fruiting in large arcs in the woods. /quote http://www.mushroomexpert.com/fairy_rings.html michael adams |
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Armilotox, what strength?
"Bob Hobden" wrote in message ... Friend wants to rid his lawn of a number of fairy rings, I suggested in the old days he could have used Armilatox, what is now sold as just a patio cleaner, but what strength did one use it at in those days to rid a lawn of fungi? I'm not suggesting for one moment he breaks the law and uses it for that purpose now. :-) http://www.armillatox.com/fairy.htm Armillatox - Fairy Rings Dilution: 50:1 Coverage: as applicable Fairy rings are portrayed by a deeper coloured ring in the lawn enriched by decaying fungi. The mycelium underground spreads outwards gradually widening like ripples on a pond after a stone has been thrown into the water. Many gardeners have used the following technique with great success: Using a fork or auger, make a ring of holes in the unaffected turf 10 cms from the Fairy Ring. Thoroughly drench with the diluted solution pouring directly into each hole, either with a watering can or a Compression Sprayer, fitted with an injector lance. If any of the solution overflows from the hole onto the surface grass, lightly water the area with plain water, using a watering can. The area within the ring may contain small toadstool-like fungi. Remove and burn. Back to Home Page pk |
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Armilotox, what strength?
michael adams wrote: http://www.mushroomexpert.com/fairy_rings.html Thank you - wonderful site. I was interested with the quote "What triggers mushroom production is rather up for debate. Studies indicate that many fungi--the morels, for example--produce fruit bodies when they face nutrient deprivation, sort of as a survival strategy: "I'm done for, so I'll make a mushroom that is covered with spores, lift it up above the ground, and let the wind take my babies to a new home." This explanation doesn't seem to fit the mushrooms that make fairy rings, however, since they have not run out of food." Could it be that in some very poor lawn (urban gardens), the survival instinct kicks in? All this made me terribly hungry .... |
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Armilotox, what strength?
"La Puce" wrote in message roups.com... I think that's the mechanism for the fungis to move outwards. The spores collecting are an option, an organic one, which works. Off course there's the wind, hence the 1m sheet outwards. Spores are light enough to be carried far more than 1m by the lightest of breezes. Are you suggesting that if you can keep them from landing within 1m of the ring, that is sufficient to prevent further growth? -- Kay |
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Armilotox, what strength?
K wrote: Spores are light enough to be carried far more than 1m by the lightest of breezes. Are you suggesting that if you can keep them from landing within 1m of the ring, that is sufficient to prevent further growth? The parents of my friend have a small urban garden. I suspect that's why she used a small sheet. But I really don't know more. In such a small garden and a minute lawn, I'd imagine she'd be more successful at catching spores, which needs to land on the best location for them - and since the space is small that was the best way to do it. I haven't got hold of her yet. I know she's got a job with the Oldham and Rochdale Groundwork now. My neighbour has had a ring, or perhaps a crescent for about 3/4 years. But she likes it very much. She also has lots of sculptures of fairies dotted about in the garden. You won't find these in mine ;o) |
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