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Butterfly ID
Just got back from Madeira where high up (above 3000 feet) we saw a lot of
largish, yellow with orange markings, Butterflies, there seemed to be two sorts one larger than the other but similarly coloured. the larger a bit bigger than a red admiral. I do not recall any black markings just orange (they were not very cooperative as each time they settled on the Agapanthus flowers they closed their wings!) and I was being hassled to be careful as we were next to a 600 foot drop! If no one is able to point me at a suggestion from this rubbish description I should have pictures later but had a slide film in which I have not yet finished. Also saw a lot of Milkweed Butterflies which at first thought to be Monarchs but they were lower down -- Charlie, gardening in Cornwall. http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of National Plant Collections of Clematis viticella (cvs) and Lapageria rosea |
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On 11/10/06 18:27, in article , "Charlie
Pridham" wrote: Just got back from Madeira where high up (above 3000 feet) we saw a lot of largish, yellow with orange markings, Butterflies, there seemed to be two sorts one larger than the other but similarly coloured. the larger a bit bigger than a red admiral. The only truly yellow one I can find is on a same-sex holidays site from the Madeiran tourism board. http://www.madeira-tourist.com/pages...x/samesex.html Unfortunately, it doesn't give its name. I do not recall any black markings just orange (they were not very cooperative as each time they settled on the Agapanthus flowers they closed their wings!) and I was being hassled to be careful as we were next to a 600 foot drop! Not surprising! If no one is able to point me at a suggestion from this rubbish description I should have pictures later but had a slide film in which I have not yet finished. Also saw a lot of Milkweed Butterflies which at first thought to be Monarchs but they were lower down Did you have a lovely holiday and did you go to the Blandy garden this time? -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ |
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"Sacha" wrote in message ... On 11/10/06 18:27, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: Just got back from Madeira where high up (above 3000 feet) we saw a lot of largish, yellow with orange markings, Butterflies, there seemed to be two sorts one larger than the other but similarly coloured. the larger a bit bigger than a red admiral. The only truly yellow one I can find is on a same-sex holidays site from the Madeiran tourism board. http://www.madeira-tourist.com/pages...x/samesex.html Unfortunately, it doesn't give its name. I do not recall any black markings just orange (they were not very cooperative as each time they settled on the Agapanthus flowers they closed their wings!) and I was being hassled to be careful as we were next to a 600 foot drop! Not surprising! If no one is able to point me at a suggestion from this rubbish description I should have pictures later but had a slide film in which I have not yet finished. Also saw a lot of Milkweed Butterflies which at first thought to be Monarchs but they were lower down Did you have a lovely holiday and did you go to the Blandy garden this time? -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ Yes we had a lovely time, it had rain between your visit and ours so forest fires were under control, but our week was sunny throughout. Yes the Blandy garden was due for a repeat visit and you are quite right the opening times have been extended and they are doing a lot of work in the garden with several previously run down parts looking a lot better, we walked back toward Funchal in the afternoon along the levada that runs just above the garden. But the star for me was the high levada we came through a tunnel from sunshine, agapanthus and hydrangea and were in what almost seemed a wild garden, just stuffed with the Native madeiran plants, dripping ferns and cool atmosphere, sadly we chickened out after the next tunnels as the path became very narrow at less than 6" and the drops were a lot worse than 600 feet! The picture of the butterflies is what they looked like with their wings closed -- Charlie, gardening in Cornwall. http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of National Plant Collections of Clematis viticella (cvs) and Lapageria rosea |
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"Charlie Pridham" wrote in message ... snip www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ Yes we had a lovely time, it had rain between your visit and ours so forest fires were under control, but our week was sunny throughout. Yes the Blandy garden was due for a repeat visit and you are quite right the opening times have been extended and they are doing a lot of work in the garden with several previously run down parts looking a lot better, we walked back toward Funchal in the afternoon along the levada that runs just above the garden. But the star for me was the high levada we came through a tunnel from sunshine, agapanthus and hydrangea and were in what almost seemed a wild garden, just stuffed with the Native madeiran plants, dripping ferns and cool atmosphere, sadly we chickened out after the next tunnels as the path became very narrow at less than 6" and the drops were a lot worse than 600 feet! The picture of the butterflies is what they looked like with their wings closed google for images of "brimstone butterfly" In Ireland (and UK) you get just one species: "the" brimstone. No idea how many species you get elsewhere. -- Charlie, gardening in Cornwall. http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of National Plant Collections of Clematis viticella (cvs) and Lapageria rosea |
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"Des Higgins" wrote in message . ie... "Charlie Pridham" wrote in message ... snip www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ google for images of "brimstone butterfly" In Ireland (and UK) you get just one species: "the" brimstone. No idea how many species you get elsewhere. Thanks for that, but Brimstones we get here abouts occasionally so I know what that looks like, so unless there are different sorts on Madeira I do not think its that. I had wondered about the Clouded Yellows which seem to be migratory but as I have never seen one am not sure of the size and the also seem to be described with more black markings than those we saw. -- Charlie, gardening in Cornwall. http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of National Plant Collections of Clematis viticella (cvs) and Lapageria rosea |
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"Sacha" wrote in message ... On 12/10/06 09:10, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: "Sacha" wrote in message ... snip Did you have a lovely holiday and did you go to the Blandy garden this time? -- Yes we had a lovely time, it had rain between your visit and ours so forest fires were under control, but our week was sunny throughout. Yes, we had only one day of rain but unfortunately, it was the day we 'did the tour', so the views and panoramas were a closed book to us! we walked back toward Funchal in the afternoon along the levada that runs just above the garden. But the star for me was the high levada we came through a tunnel from sunshine, agapanthus and hydrangea and were in what almost seemed a wild garden, just stuffed with the Native madeiran plants, dripping ferns and cool atmosphere, sadly we chickened out after the next tunnels as the path became very narrow at less than 6" and the drops were a lot worse than 600 feet! You hearty people! I just looked at a couple of the higher levada paths and felt faint. ;-) It was amazing how much was still flowering right up high, compared to what had given up down in Funchal. Glad you got to Blandy again, though I can't imagine you wouldn't have! The picture of the butterflies is what they looked like with their wings closed Sad there's no name for it. There's a book on Madeiran wildlife and I think I'll send for it. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ One of their few large native bits of wildlife is the blue pigeon which we have now seen twice to the irritation of one of the hotel managers who though both a local and a walker has never seen one! there are apparently only a few left. Then there are their eagles which look suspiciously like buzzards to me but I have always been too polite to say so! If its a small light weight book I would be interested what you think of it. -- Charlie, gardening in Cornwall. http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of National Plant Collections of Clematis viticella (cvs) and Lapageria rosea |
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"Charlie Pridham" wrote in message ... Just got back from Madeira where high up (above 3000 feet) we saw a lot of largish, yellow with orange markings, Butterflies, there seemed to be two sorts one larger than the other but similarly coloured. the larger a bit bigger than a red admiral. I do not recall any black markings just orange (they were not very cooperative as each time they settled on the Agapanthus flowers they closed their wings!) and I was being hassled to be careful as we were next to a 600 foot drop! If no one is able to point me at a suggestion from this rubbish description I should have pictures later but had a slide film in which I have not yet finished. African Migrant (Catopsilia florella) or Clouded yellow (Colias crocea) Also saw a lot of Milkweed Butterflies which at first thought to be Monarchs but they were lower down "milkweed butterfly" is another name for the Monarch butterfly (Danaus plexippus) which is resident on the Madeira Archipelago. HTH Liz -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On 12/10/06 10:57, in article , "Charlie
Pridham" wrote: "Sacha" wrote in message ... snip Sad there's no name for it. There's a book on Madeiran wildlife and I think I'll send for it. -- One of their few large native bits of wildlife is the blue pigeon which we have now seen twice to the irritation of one of the hotel managers who though both a local and a walker has never seen one! there are apparently only a few left. Then there are their eagles which look suspiciously like buzzards to me but I have always been too polite to say so! Saw the 'eagles' and agree on your ID. They look very like what we see here every day! If its a small light weight book I would be interested what you think of it. I'll get it and then you can have a look at it when one of us goes in the direction of the others. BTW, thinking of your butterfly, would it be migratory? How far would it have to migrate from/to and would that be possible for a butterfly? -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ |
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"Sacha" wrote in message ... On 12/10/06 10:57, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: "Sacha" wrote in message ... snip Sad there's no name for it. There's a book on Madeiran wildlife and I think I'll send for it. -- One of their few large native bits of wildlife is the blue pigeon which we have now seen twice to the irritation of one of the hotel managers who though both a local and a walker has never seen one! there are apparently only a few left. Then there are their eagles which look suspiciously like buzzards to me but I have always been too polite to say so! Saw the 'eagles' and agree on your ID. They look very like what we see here every day! If its a small light weight book I would be interested what you think of it. I'll get it and then you can have a look at it when one of us goes in the direction of the others. BTW, thinking of your butterfly, would it be migratory? How far would it have to migrate from/to and would that be possible for a butterfly? I posted already that it would have been either an African Migrant (Catopsilia florella) or Clouded Yellow (Colias crocea). Liz -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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"Des Higgins" wrote in message . ie... "Charlie Pridham" wrote in message ... snip www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ google for images of "brimstone butterfly" In Ireland (and UK) you get just one species: "the" brimstone. No idea how many species you get elsewhere. THe Irish Brimstones are actually slightly different. Thanks for that, but Brimstones we get here abouts occasionally so I know what that looks like, so unless there are different sorts on Madeira I do not think its that. I had wondered about the Clouded Yellows which seem to be migratory but as I have never seen one am not sure of the size and the also seem to be described with more black markings than those we saw. There is a different kind of Brimstone that is found on Madeira It is the Madeiran Cleopatra. Gonepteryx cleopatra maderensis The Brimstone is Gonepteryx rhamni Neil Jones http://www.butterflyguy.com/ |
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"echinosum" wrote in message ... Charlie Pridham Wrote: Also saw a lot of Milkweed Butterflies which at first thought to be Monarchs but they were lower down Monarch and Milkweed is same thing. See http://tinyurl.com/yk7kc4 -- echinosum Thanks! that's obviously why they looked like monarchs, do you know why they are called milkweeds instead in the uk? -- Charlie, gardening in Cornwall. http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of National Plant Collections of Clematis viticella (cvs) and Lapageria rosea |
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Charlie Pridham wrote:
"echinosum" wrote in message ... Charlie Pridham Wrote: Also saw a lot of Milkweed Butterflies which at first thought to be Monarchs but they were lower down Monarch and Milkweed is same thing. See http://tinyurl.com/yk7kc4 -- echinosum Thanks! that's obviously why they looked like monarchs, do you know why they are called milkweeds instead in the uk? Generally they aren't. Usually we lepidopterists ( butterfly and moth people) call them Monarchs. Neil Jones http://www.butterflyguy.com/ |
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"Neil Jones" wrote in message ... Charlie Pridham wrote: "Des Higgins" wrote in message . ie... "Charlie Pridham" wrote in message ... snip www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ google for images of "brimstone butterfly" In Ireland (and UK) you get just one species: "the" brimstone. No idea how many species you get elsewhere. THe Irish Brimstones are actually slightly different. Thanks for that, but Brimstones we get here abouts occasionally so I know what that looks like, so unless there are different sorts on Madeira I do not think its that. I had wondered about the Clouded Yellows which seem to be migratory but as I have never seen one am not sure of the size and the also seem to be described with more black markings than those we saw. There is a different kind of Brimstone that is found on Madeira It is the Madeiran Cleopatra. Gonepteryx cleopatra maderensis The Brimstone is Gonepteryx rhamni Neil Jones http://www.butterflyguy.com/ I think that's it, I couldn't get a decent picture from google images but the description and location sounds spot on, many thanks, and Des my apologies for doubting it being a brimstone! -- Charlie, gardening in Cornwall. http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of National Plant Collections of Clematis viticella (cvs) and Lapageria rosea |
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