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lowlife 23-01-2007 02:57 PM

shrub / tree identification
 
hi i really need to find out what this shrub or tree is, as it has mould on it that probably wants treating. i'll describe it and link 3 photo's from photobucket (hope that's allowed).

firstly i live in surrey. the soil is clay but well mixed now. the shrub is about 5 ft high, round in form with grey / brown smooth bark. the buds are very small and staggered as opposed to pairs, and there are no leaves on it at this time. on the end of each branch there is a group of brown open seed pods. the fungi is clustered on the lower branches and looks like white/pale cyan granules.

i've taken a pic of the tree, the pods and the fungus or whatever it is

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o...6/DSCN0508.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o...6/DSCN0509.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o...6/DSCN0510.jpg

i hope they work. failing that, does anyone know of an online plant finder?
thanks

Stewart Robert Hinsley 23-01-2007 08:42 PM

shrub / tree identification
 
In message , lowlife
writes

hi i really need to find out what this shrub or tree is, as it has mould
on it that probably wants treating. i'll describe it and link 3 photo's
from photobucket (hope that's allowed).

firstly i live in surrey. the soil is clay but well mixed now. the
shrub is about 5 ft high, round in form with grey / brown smooth bark.
the buds are very small and staggered as opposed to pairs, and there
are no leaves on it at this time. on the end of each branch there is a
group of brown open seed pods. the fungi is clustered on the lower
branches and looks like white/pale cyan granules.


With alternate foliage and 5-loculate capsular fruits it could be
Hibiscus syriacus. (H. syriacus doesn't usually fruit in my neck of the
woods, but there's a plant in the town centre with similar looking
fruits, that if I recall correctly is H. syriacus.)

You don't happen to remember what the foliage or flowers look like?

For a selection of pictures of H. syriacus see

http://www.malvaceae.info/Genera/Hibiscus/galleryH.html

From where I sit the fungus look liked lichen, which is harmless, but
it's easy to misinterpret a photograph.

i've taken a pic of the tree, the pods and the fungus or whatever it
is

http://tinyurl.com/29ej9r

http://tinyurl.com/22c58j

http://tinyurl.com/2ghxb2

i hope they work. failing that, does anyone know of an online plant
finder?
thanks


--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

Sally Thompson 23-01-2007 08:44 PM

shrub / tree identification
 
On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:57:43 +0000, lowlife wrote
(in article ):


hi i really need to find out what this shrub or tree is, as it has mould
on it that probably wants treating. i'll describe it and link 3 photo's
from photobucket (hope that's allowed).


The photo links work fine. Not sure of the shrub/tree identification, but
the "mould" you describe looks like a lichen to me - you're lucky to have
such clean air!





--
Sally in Shropshire, UK
bed and breakfast near Ludlow: http://www.stonybrook-ludlow.co.uk
Burne-Jones/William Morris window in Shropshire church:
http://www.whitton-stmarys.org.uk


Rupert \(W.Yorkshire\) 23-01-2007 09:05 PM

shrub / tree identification
 

"lowlife" wrote in message
...

hi i really need to find out what this shrub or tree is, as it has mould
on it that probably wants treating. i'll describe it and link 3 photo's
from photobucket (hope that's allowed).

firstly i live in surrey. the soil is clay but well mixed now. the
shrub is about 5 ft high, round in form with grey / brown smooth bark.
the buds are very small and staggered as opposed to pairs, and there
are no leaves on it at this time. on the end of each branch there is a
group of brown open seed pods. the fungi is clustered on the lower
branches and looks like white/pale cyan granules.

i've taken a pic of the tree, the pods and the fungus or whatever it
is

http://tinyurl.com/29ej9r

http://tinyurl.com/22c58j

http://tinyurl.com/2ghxb2

i hope they work. failing that, does anyone know of an online plant
finder?
thanks




--
lowlife


The tree could be Magnolia and I think the stuff on it is probably lichen
(as other posters have already said).



Bob Hobden 23-01-2007 11:00 PM

shrub / tree identification
 

"Rupert (W.Yorkshire)" wrote after...

"lowlife" wrote via GB instead of direct
hi i really need to find out what this shrub or tree is, as it has mould
on it that probably wants treating. i'll describe it and link 3 photo's
from photobucket (hope that's allowed).

firstly i live in surrey. the soil is clay but well mixed now. the
shrub is about 5 ft high, round in form with grey / brown smooth bark.
the buds are very small and staggered as opposed to pairs, and there
are no leaves on it at this time. on the end of each branch there is a
group of brown open seed pods. the fungi is clustered on the lower
branches and looks like white/pale cyan granules.

i've taken a pic of the tree, the pods and the fungus or whatever it
is

http://tinyurl.com/29ej9r

http://tinyurl.com/22c58j

http://tinyurl.com/2ghxb2

i hope they work. failing that, does anyone know of an online plant
finder?
thanks


The tree could be Magnolia and I think the stuff on it is probably lichen
(as other posters have already said).


Yes, I too have it on some of my shrubs. You should consider yourself very
lucky that you have lichens in your garden, they only grow in good quality
air and have only made a slow comeback since the Clean Air Act forced people
to use other forms of heating besides coal/wood in London. Cherish it, it's
a fascinating story in itself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lichens


--
Regards
Bob H
17mls W. of London.UK



Stewart Robert Hinsley 23-01-2007 11:05 PM

shrub / tree identification
 
In message , "Rupert (W.Yorkshire)"
writes

The tree could be Magnolia and I think the stuff on it is probably
lichen (as other posters have already said).


The fruit of Magnolia, per Weakley's Flora of the Carolinas, Virginia,
Georgia, and surrounding areas is "a cone-like aggregate, each
follicle dehiscing to reveal the scarlet seed, at first connected to the
follicle by a thread-like strand". Perhaps some non-American Magnolias
don't meet that description, but I doubt that any would have a fruit as
different as that shown.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

Sacha 23-01-2007 11:07 PM

shrub / tree identification
 
On 23/1/07 20:42, in article lid, "Stewart Robert
Hinsley" wrote:

In message , lowlife
writes

hi i really need to find out what this shrub or tree is, as it has mould
on it that probably wants treating. i'll describe it and link 3 photo's
from photobucket (hope that's allowed).

firstly i live in surrey. the soil is clay but well mixed now. the
shrub is about 5 ft high, round in form with grey / brown smooth bark.
the buds are very small and staggered as opposed to pairs, and there
are no leaves on it at this time. on the end of each branch there is a
group of brown open seed pods. the fungi is clustered on the lower
branches and looks like white/pale cyan granules.


With alternate foliage and 5-loculate capsular fruits it could be
Hibiscus syriacus. (H. syriacus doesn't usually fruit in my neck of the
woods, but there's a plant in the town centre with similar looking
fruits, that if I recall correctly is H. syriacus.)

You don't happen to remember what the foliage or flowers look like?

For a selection of pictures of H. syriacus see

http://www.malvaceae.info/Genera/Hibiscus/galleryH.html

We think the pods are too pointed for that and Ray suggests Pseudocamellia
stewartia in which the seed pod is very hard. If it's Fremontodendron we'd
expect it to have foliage on still but you never know! Their seed pods are
furry and quite soft.

From where I sit the fungus look liked lichen, which is harmless, but
it's easy to misinterpret a photograph.


It's almost certainly lichen and will do the plant no harm, so can be safely
left alone. It's a sign of clean air and low pollution, so is to be
welcomed.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)


Stewart Robert Hinsley 23-01-2007 11:41 PM

shrub / tree identification
 
In message , Sacha
writes

With alternate foliage and 5-loculate capsular fruits it could be
Hibiscus syriacus. (H. syriacus doesn't usually fruit in my neck of the
woods, but there's a plant in the town centre with similar looking
fruits, that if I recall correctly is H. syriacus.)

You don't happen to remember what the foliage or flowers look like?

For a selection of pictures of H. syriacus see

http://www.malvaceae.info/Genera/Hibiscus/galleryH.html


We think the pods are too pointed for that and Ray suggests
Pseudocamellia stewartia in which the seed pod is very hard. If it's
Fremontodendron we'd expect it to have foliage on still but you never
know! Their seed pods are furry and quite soft.


I don't know Pseudocamellia stewartia. I'm interpreting the photo as
showing a capsule with 5 locules which have separated, so the capsule as
a whole is quite blunt. I would also interpret the capsule as being
chartaceous (parchment-like) rather than woody. A photograph of the
innards of the capsule might assist identification.

I'm sure that it's not Fremontodendron - there's no sign of the fuzz on
the fruit, and I think the OP would have noticed it elsewhere. I never
got seed out of a Fremontodendron, but the mature fruits of
Fremontodendron are quite hard. Also to describe the Fremontodendron as
furry might lead people astray - the seed hairs are quite stiff -
they're not as bad as cacti, at least not being hooked, but they're
quite capable of penetrating skin. The hairs on other parts of the plant
are irritant.

http://www.malvaceae.info/Genera/Fre.../CalGlory.html
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

Sacha 24-01-2007 09:40 AM

shrub / tree identification
 
On 23/1/07 23:41, in article lid, "Stewart Robert
Hinsley" wrote:

snip

I don't know Pseudocamellia stewartia. I'm interpreting the photo as
showing a capsule with 5 locules which have separated, so the capsule as
a whole is quite blunt. I would also interpret the capsule as being
chartaceous (parchment-like) rather than woody. A photograph of the
innards of the capsule might assist identification.

I'm sure that it's not Fremontodendron - there's no sign of the fuzz on
the fruit, and I think the OP would have noticed it elsewhere. I never
got seed out of a Fremontodendron, but the mature fruits of
Fremontodendron are quite hard. Also to describe the Fremontodendron as
furry might lead people astray - the seed hairs are quite stiff -
they're not as bad as cacti, at least not being hooked, but they're
quite capable of penetrating skin. The hairs on other parts of the plant
are irritant.

http://www.malvaceae.info/Genera/Fre.../CalGlory.html

Fremontodendron pod:
http://tinyurl.com/2h9hcn
(as I said, we think that's unlikely, if only because of the lack of leaves
on the plant)

I can't find a pic of the seed pod of the Stewartia. The plant is unusual
but not rare. The OP didn't give any description of a flower, so I'm
assuming he hasn't seen one yet but obviously that would help a lot.
Perhaps a neighbour would know?

In the pic of the seed pods they look as if they've been hanging around for
a long time and so are rather dried out. It would be interesting to know
what they look like when fresh.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)


JennyC 24-01-2007 10:18 AM

shrub / tree identification
 

"lowlife" wrote in message
...

hi i really need to find out what this shrub or tree is, as it has mould
on it that probably wants treating. i'll describe it and link 3 photo's
from photobucket (hope that's allowed).

firstly i live in surrey. the soil is clay but well mixed now. the
shrub is about 5 ft high, round in form with grey / brown smooth bark.
the buds are very small and staggered as opposed to pairs, and there
are no leaves on it at this time. on the end of each branch there is a
group of brown open seed pods. the fungi is clustered on the lower
branches and looks like white/pale cyan granules.

i've taken a pic of the tree, the pods and the fungus or whatever it
is

http://tinyurl.com/29ej9r

http://tinyurl.com/22c58j

http://tinyurl.com/2ghxb2

i hope they work. failing that, does anyone know of an online plant
finder?
thanks
lowlife


Its a type of Hibiscus and the 'mould' looks more like lichen which won't do
the tree any harm.
Jenny



lowlife 24-01-2007 12:25 PM

hi well i remembered that i took some photo's to try and help me recognise some of the plants.
unfortunately i am such a novice that i don't know if i've got the right photo.
i took a few foliage shots from some of the plants, so if when you see this you think that it's obviously from another type of plant altogether, then you're probably right.
i seem to remember it having 'nut-tree' type leaves so i think this is the right photo.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o...6/DSCN0482.jpg

hope that helps. i still don't recognise it by what's been said here so far, but i appreciate your help and the lichen thing sounds reassuring.
thanks

Rupert \(W.Yorkshire\) 24-01-2007 04:05 PM

shrub / tree identification
 

"lowlife" wrote in message
...

hi well i remembered that i took some photo's to try and help me
recognise some of the plants.
unfortunately i am such a novice that i don't know if i've got the
right photo.
i took a few foliage shots from some of the plants, so if when you see
this you think that it's obviously from another type of plant
altogether, then you're probably right.
i seem to remember it having 'nut-tree' type leaves so i think this is
the right photo.

http://tinyurl.com/25ue3q

hope that helps. i still don't recognise it by what's been said here so
far, but i appreciate your help and the lichen thing sounds reassuring.

thanks


lowlife


Those leaves look like Hazel (Corylus avellana ).I,ve lost the plot on this
one:-)



Sacha 24-01-2007 05:05 PM

shrub / tree identification
 
On 24/1/07 16:05, in article , "Rupert (W.Yorkshire)"
wrote:


"lowlife" wrote in message
...

hi well i remembered that i took some photo's to try and help me
recognise some of the plants.
unfortunately i am such a novice that i don't know if i've got the
right photo.
i took a few foliage shots from some of the plants, so if when you see
this you think that it's obviously from another type of plant
altogether, then you're probably right.
i seem to remember it having 'nut-tree' type leaves so i think this is
the right photo.

http://tinyurl.com/25ue3q

hope that helps. i still don't recognise it by what's been said here so
far, but i appreciate your help and the lichen thing sounds reassuring.

thanks


lowlife


Those leaves look like Hazel (Corylus avellana ).I,ve lost the plot on this
one:-)

Just what I thought. I'm beginning to think that the seed pods belong to
another plant altogether, possibly in front of the probable Hazel.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)


K 24-01-2007 05:10 PM

shrub / tree identification
 
"Rupert (W.Yorkshire)" writes

"lowlife" wrote in message
...

hi well i remembered that i took some photo's to try and help me
recognise some of the plants.
unfortunately i am such a novice that i don't know if i've got the
right photo.
i took a few foliage shots from some of the plants, so if when you see
this you think that it's obviously from another type of plant
altogether, then you're probably right.
i seem to remember it having 'nut-tree' type leaves so i think this is
the right photo.

http://tinyurl.com/25ue3q

hope that helps. i still don't recognise it by what's been said here so
far, but i appreciate your help and the lichen thing sounds reassuring.

thanks


lowlife


Those leaves look like Hazel (Corylus avellana ).I,ve lost the plot on this
one:-)

Not quite right for hazel (leaf not quite rounded enough) and he did say
he remembered the other bush having 'nut-tree' type leaves! But it's not
Hibiscus or Magnolia


--
Kay

Rupert \(W.Yorkshire\) 24-01-2007 06:57 PM

shrub / tree identification
 

"K" wrote in message
...
"Rupert (W.Yorkshire)" writes

"lowlife" wrote in message
...

hi well i remembered that i took some photo's to try and help me
recognise some of the plants.
unfortunately i am such a novice that i don't know if i've got the
right photo.
i took a few foliage shots from some of the plants, so if when you see
this you think that it's obviously from another type of plant
altogether, then you're probably right.
i seem to remember it having 'nut-tree' type leaves so i think this is
the right photo.

http://tinyurl.com/25ue3q

hope that helps. i still don't recognise it by what's been said here so
far, but i appreciate your help and the lichen thing sounds reassuring.

thanks


lowlife


Those leaves look like Hazel (Corylus avellana ).I,ve lost the plot on
this
one:-)

Not quite right for hazel (leaf not quite rounded enough) and he did say
he remembered the other bush having 'nut-tree' type leaves! But it's not
Hibiscus or Magnolia


Kay


Assuming those leaves do not belong to the tree then perhaps the tree/shrub
could be some form of Rhus--perhaps.



Charlie Pridham 24-01-2007 09:19 PM

shrub / tree identification
 

"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk...
On 23/1/07 23:41, in article lid, "Stewart

Robert
Hinsley" wrote:

snip

I don't know Pseudocamellia stewartia. I'm interpreting the photo as
showing a capsule with 5 locules which have separated, so the capsule as
a whole is quite blunt. I would also interpret the capsule as being
chartaceous (parchment-like) rather than woody. A photograph of the
innards of the capsule might assist identification.

I can't find a pic of the seed pod of the Stewartia. The plant is unusual
but not rare. The OP didn't give any description of a flower, so I'm
assuming he hasn't seen one yet but obviously that would help a lot.
Perhaps a neighbour would know?

In the pic of the seed pods they look as if they've been hanging around

for
a long time and so are rather dried out. It would be interesting to know
what they look like when fresh.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)

Do they flower like that up the stems? I have never seen one in seed or
flower. The pods in the picture reminded me a little of Paulownia but not
quite right and they would be more in bunches, still it might be a relative!

--
Charlie, gardening in Cornwall.
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National Plant Collections of Clematis viticella (cvs) and
Lapageria rosea



lowlife 24-01-2007 10:12 PM

Hi, i must admit i thought it was a hazel at first, not that i know what i'm talking about.
I've also seen some pics of a hibiscus that have very similar leaves, assuming i showed you the right leaf pic lol. there are no other bushy shrubs around it, as you can see from the main pic, so i think i have the right one.

i've been looking at lots of leaves on the net and it does seem more like a shrub than a tree, there are too many variations to be certain though.
thanks

Sacha 24-01-2007 10:53 PM

shrub / tree identification
 
On 24/1/07 21:19, in article , "Charlie
Pridham" wrote:


"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk...
On 23/1/07 23:41, in article
lid, "Stewart
Robert
Hinsley" wrote:

snip

I don't know Pseudocamellia stewartia. I'm interpreting the photo as
showing a capsule with 5 locules which have separated, so the capsule as
a whole is quite blunt. I would also interpret the capsule as being
chartaceous (parchment-like) rather than woody. A photograph of the
innards of the capsule might assist identification.

I can't find a pic of the seed pod of the Stewartia. The plant is unusual
but not rare. The OP didn't give any description of a flower, so I'm
assuming he hasn't seen one yet but obviously that would help a lot.
Perhaps a neighbour would know?

In the pic of the seed pods they look as if they've been hanging around

for
a long time and so are rather dried out. It would be interesting to know
what they look like when fresh.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)

Do they flower like that up the stems? I have never seen one in seed or
flower. The pods in the picture reminded me a little of Paulownia but not
quite right and they would be more in bunches, still it might be a relative!


Allowing for scale, they're much too big for Paulownia, I *think*.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)


Nick Gray 25-01-2007 12:22 PM

shrub / tree identification
 

"lowlife" wrote in message
...

hi i really need to find out what this shrub or tree is, as it has mould
on it that probably wants treating. i'll describe it and link 3 photo's
from photobucket (hope that's allowed).

firstly i live in surrey. the soil is clay but well mixed now. the
shrub is about 5 ft high, round in form with grey / brown smooth bark.
the buds are very small and staggered as opposed to pairs, and there
are no leaves on it at this time. on the end of each branch there is a
group of brown open seed pods. the fungi is clustered on the lower
branches and looks like white/pale cyan granules.

i've taken a pic of the tree, the pods and the fungus or whatever it
is

http://tinyurl.com/29ej9r

http://tinyurl.com/22c58j

http://tinyurl.com/2ghxb2

i hope they work. failing that, does anyone know of an online plant
finder?
thanks

--
lowlife


Hi,

I'd go with Hibiscus syriacus, I've just been out and had a look at my
Hibiscus syriacus 'Oiseau bleu', the structure and seed pods looks very
similar to your photos, so I thought I'd take a picture of it:

http://www.ukgardening.co.uk/images/...s_syriacus.jpg
(I held up a white card behind the seed head, else it wouldn't stand out
against the browns of the beech hedge behind it).

Here's a picture of it in full flower, along with leaf detail:
http://www.ukgardening.co.uk/images/...hibiscus12.jpg

As others have said the 'fungus' is lichen and won't do any harm.

I live in Surrey, but on sandy soil.

Hope this helps.

Cheers

Nick
http://www.ukgardening.co.uk






Sacha 25-01-2007 12:30 PM

shrub / tree identification
 
On 25/1/07 12:22, in article , "Nick Gray"
wrote:
snip

I'd go with Hibiscus syriacus, I've just been out and had a look at my
Hibiscus syriacus 'Oiseau bleu', the structure and seed pods looks very
similar to your photos, so I thought I'd take a picture of it:

http://www.ukgardening.co.uk/images/...s_syriacus.jpg
(I held up a white card behind the seed head, else it wouldn't stand out
against the browns of the beech hedge behind it).

Here's a picture of it in full flower, along with leaf detail:
http://www.ukgardening.co.uk/images/...hibiscus12.jpg


Perhaps you didn't see the link to the picture of the leaves of the plant in
question? They're not remotely like a Hibiscus, unfortunately and seem to
resemble a hazel more closely!
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)


Nick Gray 25-01-2007 01:23 PM

shrub / tree identification
 
snip

http://www.ukgardening.co.uk/images/...s_syriacus.jpg
(I held up a white card behind the seed head, else it wouldn't stand out
against the browns of the beech hedge behind it).

Here's a picture of it in full flower, along with leaf detail:
http://www.ukgardening.co.uk/images/...hibiscus12.jpg


Perhaps you didn't see the link to the picture of the leaves of the plant

in
question? They're not remotely like a Hibiscus, unfortunately and seem to
resemble a hazel more closely!
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)


Oh bugger,

No I didn't see that link, the header didn't download for some reason. I
agree with you that the photo looks like a hazel leaf, but can't see a
nearby hazel in the foreground or background, but also there is no flower
buds on that photo either, so I wonder whether the OP got the photos mixed
up.

Very odd and I'm now intrigued to find out what it is.

Cheers

Nick
http://www.ukgardening.co.uk




Rupert \(W.Yorkshire\) 25-01-2007 01:32 PM

shrub / tree identification
 

"Nick Gray" wrote in message
...
snip


http://www.ukgardening.co.uk/images/...s_syriacus.jpg
(I held up a white card behind the seed head, else it wouldn't stand
out
against the browns of the beech hedge behind it).

Here's a picture of it in full flower, along with leaf detail:
http://www.ukgardening.co.uk/images/...hibiscus12.jpg


Perhaps you didn't see the link to the picture of the leaves of the plant

in
question? They're not remotely like a Hibiscus, unfortunately and seem
to
resemble a hazel more closely!
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)


Oh bugger,

No I didn't see that link, the header didn't download for some reason. I
agree with you that the photo looks like a hazel leaf, but can't see a
nearby hazel in the foreground or background, but also there is no flower
buds on that photo either, so I wonder whether the OP got the photos mixed
up.

Very odd and I'm now intrigued to find out what it is.

Cheers

Nick
http://www.ukgardening.co.uk


Yes-I don't think we have yet established that those leaves belong to that
tree/shrub--or have we? :-)



Sacha 25-01-2007 02:05 PM

shrub / tree identification
 
On 25/1/07 13:32, in article , "Rupert (W.Yorkshire)"
wrote:


"Nick Gray" wrote in message
...
snip


http://www.ukgardening.co.uk/images/...s_syriacus.jpg
(I held up a white card behind the seed head, else it wouldn't stand
out
against the browns of the beech hedge behind it).

Here's a picture of it in full flower, along with leaf detail:
http://www.ukgardening.co.uk/images/...hibiscus12.jpg


Perhaps you didn't see the link to the picture of the leaves of the plant

in
question? They're not remotely like a Hibiscus, unfortunately and seem
to
resemble a hazel more closely!
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)


Oh bugger,

No I didn't see that link, the header didn't download for some reason. I
agree with you that the photo looks like a hazel leaf, but can't see a
nearby hazel in the foreground or background, but also there is no flower
buds on that photo either, so I wonder whether the OP got the photos mixed
up.

Very odd and I'm now intrigued to find out what it is.

Cheers

Nick
http://www.ukgardening.co.uk


Yes-I don't think we have yet established that those leaves belong to that
tree/shrub--or have we? :-)


Not necessarily. The OP didn't seem quite sure of what he'd taken, when.
It's confusing when you don't know much about trees and shrubs and you see
them without flowers on, so I think that he and we, will have to possess our
souls in patience!

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)


lowlife 25-01-2007 04:39 PM

hi me again, well lets work backwards. if we think the leaves belong to a hazel or large shrub such as hibiscus, there is nothing else in the garden like that. it's predominantly a dahlia bed, with a few other shrubs with berries and some lilies. as you can see from the distant photo, there's not much else there. so on that basis i think i have the right leaves. the branches seem to be quite sparse, with other twig branches at quite large intervals along the main branches. at the end, or near the end of each branch there is a group of these flower head / pod things.
there are no flowers along the main branches, only on or near the end of the branches or offshoots. the shrub / tree is a round shape about 5ft high and about the same across.

hope that helps

Sacha 26-01-2007 10:12 AM

shrub / tree identification
 
On 25/1/07 16:39, in article , "lowlife"
wrote:


hi me again, well lets work backwards. if we think the leaves belong to
a hazel or large shrub such as hibiscus, there is nothing else in the
garden like that. it's predominantly a dahlia bed, with a few other
shrubs with berries and some lilies. as you can see from the distant
photo, there's not much else there. so on that basis i think i have the
right leaves. the branches seem to be quite sparse, with other twig
branches at quite large intervals along the main branches. at the end,
or near the end of each branch there is a group of these flower head /
pod things.
there are no flowers along the main branches, only on or near the end
of the branches or offshoots. the shrub / tree is a round shape about
5ft high and about the same across.

hope that helps

Well, not me, I must admit! Do you have a neighbour who could tell you what
it looks like when in flower?

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)


Nick Gray 26-01-2007 10:40 AM

shrub / tree identification
 

"lowlife" wrote in message
...

hi me again, well lets work backwards. if we think the leaves belong to
a hazel or large shrub such as hibiscus, there is nothing else in the
garden like that. it's predominantly a dahlia bed, with a few other
shrubs with berries and some lilies. as you can see from the distant
photo, there's not much else there. so on that basis i think i have the
right leaves. the branches seem to be quite sparse, with other twig
branches at quite large intervals along the main branches. at the end,
or near the end of each branch there is a group of these flower head /
pod things.
there are no flowers along the main branches, only on or near the end
of the branches or offshoots. the shrub / tree is a round shape about
5ft high and about the same across.

hope that helps

--
lowlife


Everything, with the exception of that photo of the leaf, still leads me to
believe that it is Hibiscus syriacus. My hibiscus looks exactly the same as
yours at the moment, about 5 foot with open branches, seed pods on the end
of the branches, no leaves, browny-grey bark etc. It's just that photo of
the leaf that is throwing a spanner in the works.

But your original question was: "i really need to find out what this shrub
or tree is, as it has mould
on it that probably wants treating." and we've established that it's lichen,
which won't do any harm and doesn't need treating, so I think it might be a
case of sitting and waiting for the plant to flower and then we can get a
better idea of what it might be, if not Hibiscus. BTW it looks like it's
been looked after, and pruned well into a nice shape, who's done this? maybe
they remember what it looked like in summer or know what it is?

Cheers

Nick
http://www.ukgardening.co.uk



Janet Tweedy 28-01-2007 11:46 AM

shrub / tree identification
 
In article , Bob Hobden
writes

Yes, I too have it on some of my shrubs. You should consider yourself very
lucky that you have lichens in your garden, they only grow in good quality
air and have only made a slow comeback since the Clean Air Act forced people
to use other forms of heating besides coal/wood in London. Cherish it, it's
a fascinating story in itself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lichens




We have loads on our trees in the garden and around the area. However a
lot of people in Amersham burn wood fires, it seems to be a fashionable
thing nowadays, though they tend to bur logs for 'supplementary' heat as
opposed to us, who burn logs for main lounge heating.


--
Janet Tweedy
Amersham Gardening Association
http://www.amersham-gardening.net


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