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Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
I never know when to start planting things and I'm sure there must be others who would also welcome a reminder of what to sow, and when. So, who is going to volunteer? Alan |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
"Alan Holmes" wrote in message ... I never know when to start planting things and I'm sure there must be others who would also welcome a reminder of what to sow, and when. So, who is going to volunteer? Alan http://theseedsite.co.uk/ THE seed site - has general info + plant list http://tomclothier.hort.net/index.html Germination times Jenny |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
Alan Holmes wrote:
: I never know when to start planting things and I'm sure there must be : others who would also welcome a reminder of what to sow, and when. : : So, who is going to volunteer? : : Alan Broad beans can go in now as can a late planting of carlic and shallots. Generally speaking I wat for the annual weeds to start growing before I start with the smaller seed. IMO even parsnips do better when planted after the ground has warmed up and will far outdo any survivors from a February sowing. If in doubt wait till April but it depends on how the weather is. If there's still ice or frost about, wait a little longer. Potatoes can go in late Feb onwards as long as you have fleece etc., to protect the tops from late frosts |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
In article , "Alan Holmes" writes: | | I never know when to start planting things and I'm sure there must be others | who would also welcome a reminder of what to sow, and when. | | So, who is going to volunteer? I am going to point out that all answers you will receive will necessarily be twaddle. The problem is that it is very variable, and depends on how the weather is going to develop. And you know how reliable the long-term forecasts are! This is what I put in the weather FAQ: Q.b6: What sort of growing season does the UK get? A: Based on soil temperatures 30 cm down, the MAFF (Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food) figures for pasture are between 200 and 250 days for most of the UK, but extending to more than 300 in the West Country and below 150 as you get up into Scotland. The expected variation is plus or minus 20 days, and plus or minus 40 is not rare. The USA seems to use the definition of the time from the last spring frost to the first autumn one, but that is largely irrelevant to the UK. While that is season, I did and do mean EXPECTED variation and PLUS OR MINUS. I forget how much variation was at the start, and how much at the end, but let's assume equality and a normal distribution. That implies an EXPECTED variation of 30 days in the planting dates and a 'not rare' one of 60. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
"Nick Maclaren" wrote after "Alan Holmes" writes: | | I never know when to start planting things and I'm sure there must be others | who would also welcome a reminder of what to sow, and when. | | So, who is going to volunteer? I am going to point out that all answers you will receive will necessarily be twaddle. The problem is that it is very variable, and depends on how the weather is going to develop. And you know how reliable the long-term forecasts are! This is what I put in the weather FAQ: Q.b6: What sort of growing season does the UK get? A: Based on soil temperatures 30 cm down, the MAFF (Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food) figures for pasture are between 200 and 250 days for most of the UK, but extending to more than 300 in the West Country and below 150 as you get up into Scotland. The expected variation is plus or minus 20 days, and plus or minus 40 is not rare. The USA seems to use the definition of the time from the last spring frost to the first autumn one, but that is largely irrelevant to the UK. While that is season, I did and do mean EXPECTED variation and PLUS OR MINUS. I forget how much variation was at the start, and how much at the end, but let's assume equality and a normal distribution. That implies an EXPECTED variation of 30 days in the planting dates and a 'not rare' one of 60. I'd go along with that, treat each season as stand alone is our motto although over the years one builds up an idea, call it an educated guess, of what to plant when for your soil and location. Even then a few years back we got a grass frost on the 9th June, after planting out all the tender stuff, which killed everything. And it could well be different a mile down the road. -- Regards Bob H 17mls W. of London.UK |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
On Jan 29, 12:55�pm, "Bob Hobden" wrote: "Nick Maclaren" *wrote after "Alan Holmes" *writes: | | I never know when to start planting things and I'm sure there must be others | who would also welcome a reminder of what to sow, and when. [...] Books and seed packets are usually good guides -- often better than other gardeners, whose conditions may vary widely. Normal humans ignore the following, which is OT and for language anoraks only: I tend to use "sow" for seeds and "plant" for plants; with an inconsistent preference for "set" for non-seed propagating material (bulbs, cuttings, etc). Just had a look in the Dictionary, and the earliest example Oxford has of "plant" for seed comes from 1615, while its use for trees etc is recorded back to the ninth century. -- Mike. |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
"Mike Lyle" wrote in message oups.com... On Jan 29, 12:55?pm, "Bob Hobden" wrote: "Nick Maclaren" wrote after "Alan Holmes" writes: | | I never know when to start planting things and I'm sure there must be others | who would also welcome a reminder of what to sow, and when. [...] Books and seed packets are usually good guides -- often better than other gardeners, whose conditions may vary widely. But this would require me to remember to get the packets out and read them, my state of memory makes that almost impossible, whereas I read this newsgroup every day! Alan |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
"Alan Holmes" wrote : I never know when to start planting things and I'm sure there must be others who would also welcome a reminder of what to sow, and when. I've seen a few seed sowing/planting walls charts for sale on t'internet, but I'm too cheap to buy them. I've recently bought a couple of inexpensive CD boxes (one for veggies and one for flowers), made some cardboard inserts with the month written on, and put my seed packets in the relevant monthly section. The majority of the packets are in the March section! http://www.ecodesignscape.co.uk/down...flyer%20v2.pdf I'm planning on making my own wall chart showing sowing dates, spacing and whatnot, laminating it and hanging it on my shed wall. I need to make a start on it soon, though, because it's quickly coming up to sowing time. |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
"Alan Holmes" wrote Books and seed packets are usually good guides -- often better than other gardeners, whose conditions may vary widely. But this would require me to remember to get the packets out and read them, my state of memory makes that almost impossible, whereas I read this newsgroup every day! Alan 1 Take 1 old 2 Cut 12l bits of cardboard to fit into the box 3 Write the name of the months on the bits of card 4 Make a cup of tea 5 Sit down with tea, seed, packets, shoebox and cardboard 6 Sort the seed packets into the various months 7 place filled shoe box in de GH or wherever you plant your seeds......... Jenny |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
Our annual weeds started growing in December - that's if they ever stopped.
I have had to hoe a carpet of weed seedlings off the 'clean' veg. beds twice already this winter! Keith "Robert" wrote in message ... Alan Holmes wrote: : I never know when to start planting things and I'm sure there must be : others who would also welcome a reminder of what to sow, and when. : : So, who is going to volunteer? : : Alan Broad beans can go in now as can a late planting of carlic and shallots. Generally speaking I wat for the annual weeds to start growing before I start with the smaller seed. IMO even parsnips do better when planted after the ground has warmed up and will far outdo any survivors from a February sowing. If in doubt wait till April but it depends on how the weather is. If there's still ice or frost about, wait a little longer. Potatoes can go in late Feb onwards as long as you have fleece etc., to protect the tops from late frosts |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
One story I heard that the 'old gardeners' used to use, was to bare thier
bums and sit on the earth. When they felt comfortable - it wast time to sow! Before you ask - no I don't... It's best to make a rough and ready guide based on your own experience in your location, and jiggle the dates around a bit to allow for the season. Keith "Alan Holmes" wrote in message ... I never know when to start planting things and I'm sure there must be others who would also welcome a reminder of what to sow, and when. So, who is going to volunteer? Alan |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
On 30/1/07 09:46, in article , "Keith
(Dorset)" wrote: One story I heard that the 'old gardeners' used to use, was to bare thier bums and sit on the earth. When they felt comfortable - it wast time to sow! Before you ask - no I don't... I was thinking more of their reaction when it *isn't* time to sow!! snip -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ (remove weeds from address) |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
In article , Alan Holmes
writes I never know when to start planting things and I'm sure there must be others who would also welcome a reminder of what to sow, and when. So, who is going to volunteer? Alan Try Nickys nursery on the web that's got a whole long list of what seeds can be sown every month of the year. |Hang on I'll get the web address http://www.nickys-nursery.co.uk/seed...s/calendar.htm Janet p.s of course it will depend on your soil, the type of plants, the local weather conditions, etc etc:) -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
On 30 Jan, 09:46, "Keith \(Dorset\)" wrote: One story I heard that the 'old gardeners' used to use, was to bare thier bums and sit on the earth. When they felt comfortable - it wast time to sow! Victorian gardeners used to do this. What a funny culture. Just imagine ... perhaps not :o) I was having the 'weed growing sign to plant' conversation yesterday (in France). We're all in very much the same boat as most thing either haven't died entirely and continued to slowly grow. It's a general worry and I am incline to sticking with the temperature rather than with the month. We could, in 10 years time, be planting our potatoes in December if this carries on ... I've brought back some black radishes seeds (amongst hundreds other things) and I remember my grand dad sowing these in the summer ?! I'm wondering if I remember right. At the same time I've searched time to sow black radishes and all resources and packet tells me August. I wanted to sow them at the same time as the usual red ones we have, which is my son's job, but I cannot imagine to sow these then if the soil is going to be backing hot. Will they be successful in the shade therefore? Before you ask - no I don't... ..... beleive you ;o) |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
Keith (Dorset) wrote:
: Our annual weeds started growing in December - that's if they ever : stopped. I have had to hoe a carpet of weed seedlings off the 'clean' : veg. beds twice already this winter! : : Keith : Well we have had annual weeds of couse but not a carpet of them and certainly not like they all start coming up in the spring. You must be sub tropical lol |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
"Alan Holmes" wrote in message ... "Mike Lyle" wrote in message oups.com... On Jan 29, 12:55?pm, "Bob Hobden" wrote: "Nick Maclaren" wrote after "Alan Holmes" writes: | | I never know when to start planting things and I'm sure there must be others | who would also welcome a reminder of what to sow, and when. [...] Books and seed packets are usually good guides -- often better than other gardeners, whose conditions may vary widely. But this would require me to remember to get the packets out and read them, my state of memory makes that almost impossible, whereas I read this newsgroup every day! I get all the seed packets and put them in order of the suggested sowing time, earliest at the front etc. Then when you feel that conditions are all right for the first lot, sow the first few, and as the season progresses, sow the rest as you get the time etc, and hopefully you won't be far out. It works for me:-) Steve |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
On Jan 30, 1:14 pm, "La Puce" wrote:
.. We could, in 10 years time, be planting our potatoes in December if this carries on ... silly assumption the weather patterns have not changed over decades they go full circle |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
"shazzbat" wrote in message ... "Alan Holmes" wrote in message ... "Mike Lyle" wrote in message oups.com... On Jan 29, 12:55?pm, "Bob Hobden" wrote: "Nick Maclaren" wrote after "Alan Holmes" writes: | | I never know when to start planting things and I'm sure there must be others | who would also welcome a reminder of what to sow, and when. [...] Books and seed packets are usually good guides -- often better than other gardeners, whose conditions may vary widely. But this would require me to remember to get the packets out and read them, my state of memory makes that almost impossible, whereas I read this newsgroup every day! I get all the seed packets and put them in order of the suggested sowing time, earliest at the front etc. Then when you feel that conditions are all right for the first lot, sow the first few, and as the season progresses, sow the rest as you get the time etc, and hopefully you won't be far out. It works for me:-) But do you have my memory? Or lack of! Alan Steve |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
"The Minister" wrote in message oups.com... On Jan 30, 1:14 pm, "La Puce" wrote: . We could, in 10 years time, be planting our potatoes in December if this carries on ... silly assumption the weather patterns have not changed over decades they go full circle When I was small there was ALWAYS snow at this time of year, but it's been lacking for some time now! |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
"Martin" wrote in message ... On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 07:13:15 +0100, "JennyC" wrote: "Alan Holmes" wrote Books and seed packets are usually good guides -- often better than other gardeners, whose conditions may vary widely. But this would require me to remember to get the packets out and read them, my state of memory makes that almost impossible, whereas I read this newsgroup every day! Alan 1 Take 1 old 2 Cut 12l bits of cardboard to fit into the box 3 Write the name of the months on the bits of card 4 Make a cup of tea 5 Sit down with tea, seed, packets, shoebox and cardboard 6 Sort the seed packets into the various months 7 place filled shoe box in de GH or wherever you plant your seeds......... There is something odd about steps 1 and 2. Martin Ooooops 1 Take an old shoebox |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
On Jan 30, 11:04?am, Sacha wrote:
On 30/1/07 09:46, in article , "Keith (Dorset)" wrote: One story I heard that the 'old gardeners' used to use, was to bare thier bums and sit on the earth. When they felt comfortable - it wast time to sow! Before you ask - no I don't... I was thinking more of their reaction when it *isn't* time to sow!! I first heard that one as a guide to sowing barley. There are more comfortable variants for the faint-hearted, or gluteally hypersensitive: "Sow wheat in mud, barley in dust", or "Sow your barley when you can't see what colour horse the neighbour's using". There's much to be learned from simple peasant wisdom. Consider the traditional rhyme: "When buds do burst on the sukebind tree, 'Tis time to spread your 2-4-5-T." -- Mike. |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
"Martin" "JennyC" wrote: "Martin" wrote "JennyC" wrote: 1 Take 1 old 2 Cut 12l bits of cardboard to fit into the box 3 Write the name of the months on the bits of card 4 Make a cup of tea 5 Sit down with tea, seed, packets, shoebox and cardboard 6 Sort the seed packets into the various months 7 place filled shoe box in de GH or wherever you plant your seeds......... There is something odd about steps 1 and 2. Martin Ooooops 1 Take an old shoebox from the gutter and convert it into ... You'd have to evict the 150 Yorkshiremen first......... and then there is the 12 litres of cardboard. It's a pretty big shoebox..... Jenny |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
In article , Martin
writes . and then there is the 12 litres of cardboard. Is that like papier mache? -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
"Mike Lyle" wrote in message ups.com... On Jan 30, 11:04?am, Sacha wrote: On 30/1/07 09:46, in article , "Keith (Dorset)" wrote: One story I heard that the 'old gardeners' used to use, was to bare thier bums and sit on the earth. When they felt comfortable - it wast time to sow! Before you ask - no I don't... I was thinking more of their reaction when it *isn't* time to sow!! I first heard that one as a guide to sowing barley. There are more comfortable variants for the faint-hearted, or gluteally hypersensitive: "Sow wheat in mud, barley in dust", or "Sow your barley when you can't see what colour horse the neighbour's using". There's much to be learned from simple peasant wisdom. Consider the traditional rhyme: "When buds do burst on the sukebind tree, 'Tis time to spread your 2-4-5-T." -- Mike. |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots... (another unhelpful 'witticism')
Hence the expresion 'sowing one's oats'?
Have fun, Keith "Mike Lyle" wrote in message ups.com... On Jan 30, 11:04?am, Sacha wrote: On 30/1/07 09:46, in article , "Keith (Dorset)" wrote: One story I heard that the 'old gardeners' used to use, was to bare thier bums and sit on the earth. When they felt comfortable - it wast time to sow! Before you ask - no I don't... I was thinking more of their reaction when it *isn't* time to sow!! I first heard that one as a guide to sowing barley. There are more comfortable variants for the faint-hearted, or gluteally hypersensitive: "Sow wheat in mud, barley in dust", or "Sow your barley when you can't see what colour horse the neighbour's using". There's much to be learned from simple peasant wisdom. Consider the traditional rhyme: "When buds do burst on the sukebind tree, 'Tis time to spread your 2-4-5-T." -- Mike. |
Quote:
http://www.link2garden.com/Plants___Seeds/UK/ |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
In article . com, Mike
Lyle writes There's much to be learned from simple peasant wisdom. Consider the traditional rhyme: "When buds do burst on the sukebind tree, 'Tis time to spread your 2-4-5-T." Oh and don't forget "when piglets fly and puppies moo 'tis time to paint your fencing blue". Or on the other hand "when soil is warm and breezes gentler 'tis time to visit a garden centre" -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
On 2/2/07 11:32, in article , "Janet Tweedy"
wrote: In article . com, Mike Lyle writes There's much to be learned from simple peasant wisdom. Consider the traditional rhyme: "When buds do burst on the sukebind tree, 'Tis time to spread your 2-4-5-T." Oh and don't forget "when piglets fly and puppies moo 'tis time to paint your fencing blue". Or on the other hand "when soil is warm and breezes gentler 'tis time to visit a garden centre" Cheeky woman! Now you've got to do one to rhyme with 'nursery'. ;-)) -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ (remove weeds from address) |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
In article , Sacha writes: | On 2/2/07 11:32, in article , "Janet Tweedy" | wrote: | | Oh and don't forget | | "when piglets fly and puppies moo | 'tis time to paint your fencing blue". | | Or on the other hand | | "when soil is warm and breezes gentler | 'tis time to visit a garden centre" | | Cheeky woman! Now you've got to do one to rhyme with 'nursery'. ;-)) When first you cash your brand new bursary, 'Tis time to visit the good old nursery. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
On 2/2/07 12:27, in article , "Nick
Maclaren" wrote: In article , Sacha writes: | On 2/2/07 11:32, in article , "Janet Tweedy" | wrote: | | Oh and don't forget | | "when piglets fly and puppies moo | 'tis time to paint your fencing blue". | | Or on the other hand | | "when soil is warm and breezes gentler | 'tis time to visit a garden centre" | | Cheeky woman! Now you've got to do one to rhyme with 'nursery'. ;-)) When first you cash your brand new bursary, 'Tis time to visit the good old nursery. Not at all bad, Nick! I like that one. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ (remove weeds from address) |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
In article , Sacha
writes Cheeky woman! Now you've got to do one to rhyme with 'nursery'. ;-)) If it's so cold that gardens get a glance fairly cursory don't be tempted to buy bedding from your local nursery -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
On 3/2/07 00:29, in article , "Janet Tweedy"
wrote: In article , Sacha writes Cheeky woman! Now you've got to do one to rhyme with 'nursery'. ;-)) If it's so cold that gardens get a glance fairly cursory don't be tempted to buy bedding from your local nursery Wow! Almost Gilbert & Sullivan. ;-) -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ (remove weeds from address) |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message ... In article , Sacha writes Cheeky woman! Now you've got to do one to rhyme with 'nursery'. ;-)) We went to Eden on our anniversary. On the way home visited Hillhouse nursery. (Both were great) :-)) Steve |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 00:29:36 +0000, Janet Tweedy wrote
(in article ): In article , Sacha writes Cheeky woman! Now you've got to do one to rhyme with 'nursery'. ;-)) If it's so cold that gardens get a glance fairly cursory don't be tempted to buy bedding from your local nursery Oooh! A challenge! Don't let your planting be too cursory Be sure to visit Hill House Nursery vbg -- Sally in Shropshire, UK bed and breakfast near Ludlow: http://www.stonybrook-ludlow.co.uk Burne-Jones/William Morris window in Shropshire church: http://www.whitton-stmarys.org.uk |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
On 3/2/07 11:06, in article , "shazzbat"
wrote: "Janet Tweedy" wrote in message ... In article , Sacha writes Cheeky woman! Now you've got to do one to rhyme with 'nursery'. ;-)) We went to Eden on our anniversary. On the way home visited Hillhouse nursery. (Both were great) :-)) Clever, neat and kind! Glad to see you got home safely and it was very good to meet you both. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ (remove weeds from address) |
Would anyone care to remind us idiots, when to plant seeds?
On 3/2/07 12:05, in article
, "Sally Thompson" wrote: On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 00:29:36 +0000, Janet Tweedy wrote (in article ): In article , Sacha writes Cheeky woman! Now you've got to do one to rhyme with 'nursery'. ;-)) If it's so cold that gardens get a glance fairly cursory don't be tempted to buy bedding from your local nursery Oooh! A challenge! Don't let your planting be too cursory Be sure to visit Hill House Nursery vbg Maybe I should offer prizes..... ;-)) Another little gem! -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ (remove weeds from address) |
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Warmer than most, with a hellava lot of rain!
Keith "Robert" wrote in message ... Keith (Dorset) wrote: : Our annual weeds started growing in December - that's if they ever : stopped. I have had to hoe a carpet of weed seedlings off the 'clean' : veg. beds twice already this winter! : : Keith : Well we have had annual weeds of couse but not a carpet of them and certainly not like they all start coming up in the spring. You must be sub tropical lol |
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