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"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message
Farm1 writes

It's horses for courses. What works for me and turns me on won't

do
that for another gardener. If you don't like junk, then I don't

mind
if you don't see the value of junk then it's just more junk for us
other gardeners who like it :-))


I think the main trouble comes when, as a result of the size of

gardens
generally in the UK, it's what you see from your windows!
A neat and tidy gardener would probably despair if he overlooked a
scruffy gnome-filled patch with weeds and "wildlife" encouraged
planting, uncared for shrubs and the odd pile of tyres and freezers.

However the same would be true in the reverse.
I don't think people mind what anyone else likes in a garden maybe

it's
just living with it if you overlook a different gardening

viewpoint

I love the thatched cottage and pretty houses of some areas of the
country and wouldn't mind living opposite them but would be

frightened
to death of actually owning and upkeeping them!

Same goes for the Christmas garden/house decorations that are now
becoming common. A friend lives opposite a truly car-stopping set of
Xmas decorated houses. As she said, "it's okay if you live in it a d

you
can't see it but it's another matter to try and sleep with the

migraine
inducing flashes of a 7 foot father Christmas climbing up the front

wall
of the house opposite"


I don't disagree with anything you've written but I think that what
you've described is a much larger issue than just gardens preferences
or junk in gardens. It really covers the whole issue of how
increasingly our more crowded surroundings or information overload or
just general sociatal intrusiveness or whatever can impact on our well
being overall.

By that I mean that it also applies equally to what I see on the TV
these days. I can barely stand to watch our PM without wanting to
throw my very large and heavy gardening boots at his lying head. And
as for watching George Bush! That's more like wanting to heave the
whole TV out the window. To think that this moron is the head of the
most powerful nation on earth! What were they thinking (or not) to
elect this moron a second time round! See: the general frustration it
causes me is even coming through in a gardening ng :-))


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Hi 'Farm 1',

Thanks for posting back. I admit it - we do actually have some junk

here!

LOL. I'm sure each and every one of us does! I sometimes wonder if
it's only when someone else points out that's it "junk" and we have to
justify it's existence that we really look at it with fresh eyes and
then heave it or store it.

I know that I constantly have to tell Himself (who is a neatnick) why
I have a particular item of junk. (Mind you, he is also very quick to
use "my" junk if he needs it for some particular thing round the farm
and doesn't see the irony in having had a fight with me about me
trying to keep it for my reserved use for one of "my" projects)

This morning I have been shifting some builders' rubble 'out of

sight'... I
haven't got rid of it because it will 'come in handy at some stage'

for a
greenhouse base or whatever.


A man after my own heart! I pick up all real old fashioned solid
bricks I see when I go to the tip as I know how useful they are for
garden edges or paths or whatever. I've probably managed to pick up
about a pallet load over the years and that has saved me about $800
which is the cost to have a pallet of new ones "sold core" delivered
here.

Our tip is rather an unusual one as tip scavenging isn't "allowed",
but the locals all put in "orders" with the tip attendant to look out
for particular items which he'll save and put off to one side and he
just turns a blind eye turned when locals are scavenging. I've even
managed to find a wonderful antique arm chair there which looks superb
now it's been reupholstered and had it's lags repolished.

The more I try to keep on top of the garden, the harder it seems -

except
for the veg. patch that is! I have been so busy with that over

recent years
that I haven't had chance to put in a great deal in the way of

flower beds -
certainly not annuals. We don't like garish flowers either... ( I

really
hate petunias - but don't tell anyone).


Your secret is safe with me. I share a similar aversion. There was a
fashion here a few years ago for striped ones and they were
particularly revolting - chocolate brown ones with a cream stripe and
purple ones with a yellow stripe!!!!!! When I saw them in the nursery
in their punnets, I thought that no-one would possibly buy such filthy
things but then I noticed that they had started to appear in the
gardens of the village :-)) You can imagine my reaction.

Our big garden here is lots of trees, shrubs, roses and bigger
clumping things like Irises, Day lillies. Sedums, euphorbias etc whihc
of course only have a limited flowing season. My husband often says
that he wants "colour" to which I reply with some degree of
waspishness that green IS a colour.

I really do hope you manage to enjoy your gardens with all the work

it must
entail, and that it is not becoming too much of a struggle.


Luckily for me, the cancers I've had are such that I have just been
knocked for six whilst undergoing treatment or recovering from
surgery. And I've learned to be smarter rather than relying on
strength as I used to do. I bought a cheap tipping trolley that I
could roll rocks onto and then lever bakwards so I could work on
redesigning some of my bigger beds where the idiot garden "designer"
who originally "did" this garden had put in huge rocks sticking up
into the air like dragon's teeth.. It was a wise buy to compensate
for lack of strenth and lets me do what I wnat to do with limited need
to call on Himself.

Naturally I send all our best wishes.


As do I to you and your wife.

Again I will look on the bright side
and say that those of us with gardens must be the fortunate ones.


Yep. The glass is half full, not half empty.

One fails
to imagine being under the circumstances we face - and being unable

to
'escape' on a regular basis, for some well needed fresh air.


I guess that perhaps we share a common thing in that for both of us,
our gardens provide solace and a place in which to regather ourselves
in order to keep on going out there and doing what we have to do. But
I think most gardenersshare that.

Take care,


And you too.

Fran (aka Farm1)


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"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message
Farm1 writes


as for watching George Bush! That's more like wanting to heave the
whole TV out the window. To think that this moron is the head of the
most powerful nation on earth! What were they thinking (or not) to
elect this moron a second time round! See: the general frustration it
causes me is even coming through in a gardening ng :-))



It is said that Bush isn't the moron he appears to be!

That makes him a better actor than Reagan ;-)

Keith


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as for watching George Bush! That's more like wanting to heave

the
whole TV out the window. To think that this moron is the head of

the
most powerful nation on earth! What were they thinking (or not)

to
elect this moron a second time round! See: the general

frustration it
causes me is even coming through in a gardening ng :-))



It is said that Bush isn't the moron he appears to be!


Yes it is said by some but I've noticed that it's always said by
someone who has an agenda to run. And often by Americans who are no
doubt highly embarrassed by the appallling reputation he's giving
himself and his country on a world wide basis.

That makes him a better actor than Reagan ;-)


Even a canary would be a better actor that Ronny was ;-))


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"Keith (Dorset)" wrote in message
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"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message
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as for watching George Bush! That's more like wanting to heave the
whole TV out the window. To think that this moron is the head of the
most powerful nation on earth! What were they thinking (or not) to
elect this moron a second time round! See: the general frustration it
causes me is even coming through in a gardening ng :-))



It is said that Bush isn't the moron he appears to be!


The few americans I have spoken to are convinced he is a moron!

Alan




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"Alan Holmes" wrote
It is said that Bush isn't the moron he appears to be!


The few americans I have spoken to are convinced he is a moron!
Alan


They will soon be able to choose between a woman or a black candidate :~))
Jenny


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"Alan Holmes" wrote
It is said that Bush isn't the moron he appears to be!


The few americans I have spoken to are convinced he is a moron!
Alan


They will soon be able to choose between a woman or a black candidate :~))
Jenny


Can any woman do any worse for any country that what Thatcher did for Great
Britain? :-(

She did what Hitler tried to do, bring the country to its knees. :-(

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"'Mike'" wrote

Can any woman do any worse for any country that what Thatcher did for
Great Britain? :-(

She did what Hitler tried to do, bring the country to its knees. :-(
Mike


Much as I disliked her as a person, she did a GREAT job of getting the
unions in their place.

The Economist had a special about Britain recently - 2nd highest GDP in
Europe - low unemployment - amazing !!

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"'Mike'" wrote

Can any woman do any worse for any country that what Thatcher did for
Great Britain? :-(

She did what Hitler tried to do, bring the country to its knees. :-(
Mike


Much as I disliked her as a person, she did a GREAT job of getting the
unions in their place.



And in doing so wrecked British Industry. That was good was it?


The Economist had a special about Britain recently - 2nd highest GDP in
Europe - low unemployment - amazing !!


I like the word "recently" that you put in there :-))

20 years to recover? That's good is it?

and who pays for it now? Us the tax payer. Do you like paying all these high
taxes? Petrol? Air Travel? Pay by the mile on top of your car tax, petrol
tax, MOT tax, PAYE tax before you even get your money? I am taxed on my
pensions because I have so many, I 'saved for my future' and get taxed on
it, I get taxed on my investments.

All good?

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JennyC wrote:

Much as I disliked her as a person, she did a GREAT job of getting the
unions in their place.


As the Unions were representing the average working man, what you really
mean is "she did a great job of getting the working man in his place"

She killed the steel industry, the mining industry, the ship building
industry, in fact, the entire manufacturing industry. Her policies cost
millions of jobs, billions of pounds and thousands of lives. She took the
wealth of a nation in the form of the nationalised industries and sold them
off to her cronies at discounted rates.

Great job? She almost killed my country.

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In article , Tom
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Much as I disliked her as a person, she did a GREAT job of getting the
unions in their place.


As the Unions were representing the average working man, what you really
mean is "she did a great job of getting the working man in his place"


This is OT for the newsgroup but I would like to say that you have
obviously never worked in or for a closed shop nor can you evidently
remember the 1960's when union pressure meant men HAD to strike or risk
getting kicked out of their job or worse, even though they were happy to
go to work.

Secondary picketing and a lot of violence was the norm and pretty soul
destroying for many workers.

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In message , Tom
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JennyC wrote:

Much as I disliked her as a person, she did a GREAT job of getting the
unions in their place.


As the Unions were representing the average working man, what you really
mean is "she did a great job of getting the working man in his place"

She killed the steel industry, the mining industry, the ship building
industry, in fact, the entire manufacturing industry. Her policies cost
millions of jobs, billions of pounds and thousands of lives. She took the
wealth of a nation in the form of the nationalised industries and sold them
off to her cronies at discounted rates.

Great job? She almost killed my country.

I agree entirely.
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On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 07:21:51 +0100, "JennyC" wrote:


"Alan Holmes" wrote
It is said that Bush isn't the moron he appears to be!

The few americans I have spoken to are convinced he is a moron!
Alan


They will soon be able to choose between a woman or a black candidate :~))


but still have to make do with very rich morons :-)


Hilary Clinton is far from being a moron.
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"Martin" wrote in message
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People in UK pay far less in income tax than many EU countries.
In total UK is one of the least taxed countries in the EU.
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On the subject of Income Tax, OK I won't argue as this is not my subject,

HOWEVER,

please prove to me with facts and figures that these other countries who are
better than us with respect to Income Tax do NOT pay all the other taxes we
are clobbered with. "Tax by Stealth" as people call it. Petrol. Council.
Environment. Waste Disposal. etc etc etc.

:-))

And explain how their cost of living compares, and is better than ours
please.

Prove me wrong please and make me and millions of others feel better.

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"'Mike'" wrote in message
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"JennyC" wrote in message
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"'Mike'" wrote

Can any woman do any worse for any country that what Thatcher did for
Great Britain? :-(

She did what Hitler tried to do, bring the country to its knees. :-(
Mike


Much as I disliked her as a person, she did a GREAT job of getting the
unions in their place.


And in doing so wrecked British Industry. That was good was it?


What was so great about industry? Filthy factories poluting the air.......
GDP - composition by sector: agricultu 1%
industry: 25.6%
services: 73.4% (2006 est.)

Seems a better option to me :~)

The Economist had a special about Britain recently - 2nd highest GDP in
Europe - low unemployment - amazing !!


I like the word "recently" that you put in there :-))

20 years to recover? That's good is it?

and who pays for it now? Us the tax payer. Do you like paying all these
high taxes? Petrol? Air Travel? Pay by the mile on top of your car tax,
petrol tax, MOT tax, PAYE tax before you even get your money? I am taxed
on my pensions because I have so many, I 'saved for my future' and get
taxed on it, I get taxed on my investments.
All good?
Mike


You pay a LOT less tax than most Europeans .....
Jenny


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