Oh dear... :-(

Keith

On 10 Feb, 15:32, "Keith \(Dorset\)"
wrote:
Oh dear... :-(

What?! WHAT? What happened? I didn't watch tv (I drew gunnera and
hosta leaves all evening, as one does )

"Keith (Dorset)" wrote in message
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Oh dear... :-(

Keith


you don't like doddery old garden-grannies forever muttering Eeee loook ut
thut cucumber intit wuundefull, and though she claims never to have grown a
spud before in her life, fetching up on tv to show you and me how it's done?

As Carol has lived at the cottage for thirty years, and hasn't grown her own
veg, for twenty; one is tempted to ask why she has suddenly started now?

Where there's muck there's brass, maybe?

Who can blame her - for trying!

Keith



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"Keith (Dorset)" wrote in message
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Oh dear... :-(

Keith


you don't like doddery old garden-grannies forever muttering Eeee loook ut
thut cucumber intit wuundefull, and though she claims never to have grown
a spud before in her life, fetching up on tv to show you and me how it's
done?

"Keith (Dorset)" wrote in message
...
As Carol has lived at the cottage for thirty years, and hasn't grown her
own veg, for twenty; one is tempted to ask why she has suddenly started
now?

Where there's muck there's brass, maybe?

Of course......., but I get the impression that she's been raising a family
and getting a business of the ground in the intervening years.....

Who can blame her - for trying!
Keith

Jenny

"JennyC" wrote
"Keith (Dorset)" wrote
As Carol has lived at the cottage for thirty years, and hasn't grown
her own veg, for twenty; one is tempted to ask why she has suddenly
started now?

Where there's muck there's brass, maybe?

Of course......., but I get the impression that she's been raising a
family and getting a business of the ground in the intervening
years.....

I don't know what's the matter with all you old Moaning Minnies over
this programme. I love it, and look forward to it all week!

Carol K is a brilliant gardening presenter, whether she's talking about
veg, or planting perennials for a flower garden. She never claimed to be
a beginner at growing vegetables - if people had been paying attention
they'd have seen she'd had lots of experience 'growning her own' many
years ago, but as J says, for the last two decades has concentrated on
her nursery business, shows etc.

I'm really glad they got her to do this programme. OK, so expert
allotmenteers would like a more in depth, technical sort of programme
that caters for those already producing much of their own food on huge
plots - and I agree there's definitely an audience for something like
that and it's long overdue - but it isn't what this particular series
has presumably been designed for. I think it *will* inspire a lot of
back garden dabblers to have a go at planting things they can eat,
simply because of her infectious enthusiasm, and is also likely to
appeal to women. That could be a key element in getting households that
wouldn't otherwise ever grow so much as a lettuce to start thinking
about how and where their food is produced and to try a small plot or a
few pots themselves.

--
Sue

On 11 Feb, 06:25, "JennyC" wrote:
Of course......., but I get the impression that she's been raising a family
and getting a business of the ground in the intervening years.....

Hot from the press .... "It's been said that her enthusiasm for plants
would make even the least green-fingered person sit up and take
notice. Mancunian (bless) Carol joined the BBC TWO Gardeners' World
presenting team in 2005 and also runs a thriving nursery and writes
regularly for the gardening press. After leaving school at 15, she had
a succession of jobs until attending Art College in 1962, from where
she graduated with a Fine Art BA. After completing a postgraduate Art
teachers' course in Brighton, Carol taught at various schools in
London before moving into the Devonshire sunshine in the late
Seventies and raising two daughters. While living in Devon, Carol
taught art at North Devon College and started propagating plants
because she couldn't afford to buy the ones she wanted for her own
garden. Friends suggested she sell the spares, so Carol opened a stall
in the local market and, eventually, people began going to her nursery
instead. Now it's a thriving business and Carol loves to hear how her
plants have done."

She wrote many books - Plant Personnalities in 2004, A Touch of Winter
Colour in 2005, The Edible Container Garden in 2006, numerous articles
in magasines, newspapers etc. and videos, one of which is the behind
the scene of Chelsea 2006 (it was great coz I was there ;o). She made
lots of Radio shows, tv shows etc. I mean, how can someone criticise
this woman? I'm baffled. Many posters here own up to never have grown
leeks ... and I can quote them ... nor do they know when to plant
seeds ... take cuttings etc. Who are you and what have you done?
Huh?!

In message ews.net,
Sue writes


Carol K is a brilliant gardening presenter, whether she's talking about
veg, or planting perennials for a flower garden. She never claimed to be
a beginner at growing vegetables - if people had been paying attention
they'd have seen she'd had lots of experience 'growning her own' many
years ago, but as J says, for the last two decades has concentrated on
her nursery business, shows etc.

I have seen a couple of the programmes and tend to agree with you. She
doesn't talk down to you, which means people who have very little
knowledge of gardening are more likely to listen to her.

snip
--
June Hughes

"Sue" wrote
"JennyC" wrote
I don't know what's the matter with all you old Moaning Minnies over
this programme. I love it, and look forward to it all week!
snip
Sue

I seem to recall hearing that she will make another program about something
else soon....anyone remember what?
Jenny

"June Hughes" wrote in message
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In message ews.net, Sue
writes


Carol K is a brilliant gardening presenter, whether she's talking about
veg, or planting perennials for a flower garden. She never claimed to be
a beginner at growing vegetables - if people had been paying attention
they'd have seen she'd had lots of experience 'growning her own' many
years ago, but as J says, for the last two decades has concentrated on
her nursery business, shows etc.

I have seen a couple of the programmes and tend to agree with you. She
doesn't talk down to you, which means people who have very little
knowledge of gardening are more likely to listen to her.


I agree also. There is a difficult area between dumbing down to the point
where gardeners would be turning off, and "dumbing up" to the point where
novices/first timers would be lost. As an attempt at treading the middle
ground it's not so bad.

She might comb her hair though :-))

Steve

talking point?

Yes, Carol Klein is apparently a very experienced and knowledgeable
plantswoman and grower. No doubt she and her family would be very pleasant
neighbours.

However, a good TV presenter she not - at least in this context.

A good presenter needs far more than the ability to sound enthusiastic and
'not talk down to their audience'. They need to entertain, inform and
maintain viewer interest.

In this series, she fails in every respect.

The BBC have been unsuccessful with Grow Your Own Veg because they have
attempted to appeal to too wide an audience. Of course this has, to an
extent, compromised Carol in the way she can lead the programmes. Many other
gardening presenters, I suspect, would not have taken it on.

Keith











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"June Hughes" wrote in message
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In message ews.net,
Sue writes


Carol K is a brilliant gardening presenter, whether she's talking about
veg, or planting perennials for a flower garden. She never claimed to be
a beginner at growing vegetables - if people had been paying attention
they'd have seen she'd had lots of experience 'growning her own' many
years ago, but as J says, for the last two decades has concentrated on
her nursery business, shows etc.

I have seen a couple of the programmes and tend to agree with you. She
doesn't talk down to you, which means people who have very little
knowledge of gardening are more likely to listen to her.


I agree also. There is a difficult area between dumbing down to the point
where gardeners would be turning off, and "dumbing up" to the point where
novices/first timers would be lost. As an attempt at treading the middle
ground it's not so bad.

She might comb her hair though :-))

Steve

On Feb 10, 9:16 pm, "Keith \(Dorset\)"
wrote:
As Carol has lived at the cottage for thirty years, and hasn't grown her own
veg, for twenty; one is tempted to ask why she has suddenly started now?

Where there's muck there's brass, maybe?

Who can blame her - for trying!

Keith

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"Keith (Dorset)" wrote in message
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Oh dear... :-(

Keith

you don't like doddery old garden-grannies forever muttering Eeee loook ut
thut cucumber intit wuundefull, and though she claims never to have grown
a spud before in her life, fetching up on tv to show you and me how it's
done?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

she admits to not veg gardening for at least 20 years and she is
honest enought to admit that she took it on as she was asked to by the
programme makers I just wish she would not put all that coloured stuff
on her eyes it looks so strange with the gardening clothes

"The Minister" wrote in message
oups.com...

she admits to not veg gardening for at least 20 years and she is
honest enought to admit that she took it on as she was asked to by the
programme makers I just wish she would not put all that coloured stuff
on her eyes it looks so strange with the gardening clothes

She looks exactly like the women who used to inhabit Greenham Common Peace
camp in the 1980s.

I don't have a problem with them, her, or even how she sounds (although her
voisce does grate on my southern ears). I am just annoyed because I really
wanted to learn about growing pumpkins and squashes!

When that title came up at the start of the programme I said to myself: that
sounds interesting and different - but how on earth are they going to fill a
whole programme like this with it?

It transpired that there was virtually nothing about 'growing' in the whole
episode. Halfway through the prog. I began getting so irritated by Carol's
continued 'yummy' expressions that I almsot switched the box off. I decided
to hang on however, to see what I could learn from the rest of the
programme. All I saw was families around a bonfire.

Keith

Keith (Dorset) wrote:


Oh dear... :-(


You too, eh?

I found that the series was a disjointed collection of facts,
opinions, and "doesn't that taste whatever..."

I had the impression that the intention of the series was partly to
encourage one to grow some vegeables, no matter how small a plot,
trough, or pot one had.

But there was no advice on how to do it. What would be sown, and when,
in order to maximise the results from each of these: that's what I was
looking for, and it was conspicuous by it's absence. I still have
little idea as to what was grown, in turn, in the 3 x 3 plot.

As I like Carol as a counterbalance to the Dominating Don, this series
could have been used to raise her status, but it didn't.

The robin was the best bit, IMHO.

On 11 Feb, 16:29, "Keith \(Dorset\)"
wrote:
She looks exactly like the women who used to inhabit Greenham Common Peace
camp in the 1980s.

These wimmin happen to be my best friends )

I don't have a problem with them, her, or even how she sounds (although her
voisce does grate on my southern ears). I am just annoyed because I really
wanted to learn about growing pumpkins and squashes!

OK. What do you want to know that you don't already know Keith?
Honestly, I just don't understand!

When that title came up at the start of the programme I said to myself: that
sounds interesting and different - but how on earth are they going to fill a
whole programme like this with it?

I'm waiting for the repeat tomorrow eve, but from your post I guess it
was around halloween. Can't wait tomorrow now.

It transpired that there was virtually nothing about 'growing' in the whole
episode. Halfway through the prog. I began getting so irritated by Carol's
continued 'yummy' expressions that I almsot switched the box off. I decided
to hang on however, to see what I could learn from the rest of the
programme. All I saw was families around a bonfire.

Perhaps you've got a point - there's lots of yumyum sounds. You ought
to eat with my entire family in the summer - you'd go mad! Reminds me
when I work for the radio, I once edited all the 'yum' 'slurps' 'in
breath' 'loose denture's noises' and put them all together on one
tape, for fun. I bet the Tippett(*) duo would have loved my
'music' ;o)

(*) Now let's see how many of you knows about them ;o)