SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY
Press Release 19th Feb 2007
SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many game birds was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of miles in hot weather. In the 2006/07 Game Season Review in the latest edition of the Shooting Times (15th Feb) Ian Lindsay of the GCT states that: "Some heavy losses occurred to pheasants bought from southern England presumably the result of long, hot journeys and stress-related disease." This dramatic understatement hardly conveys the true horrors of the commercial shooting industry and simply proves what anti-shooting campaigners have argued for a long time - that intensive breeding and rearing is not confined to England and Wales. Scotland Campaigner for the League Against Cruel Sports, Louise Robertson says, "This admission from Mr Lindsay highlights just how little regard is paid to the welfare of these birds which are bred by the thousand, in horrific conditions, to be shot for entertainment purposes. It flies in the face of countless arguments by commercial shooting promoters that intensive breeding is not part of the industry in Scotland". "I would urge Mr Lindsay to put an exact figure on what he means by "heavy losses" - are we talking hundreds, thousands or indeed more game birds dying in this manner?" -ends- Note to editors: For more information about intensive breeding and rearing of game birds go to http://www.league.org.uk/uploads/documents/doc_298.pdf Angus Macmillan www.roots-of-blood.org.uk www.killhunting.org www.con-servation.org.uk All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed; Second, it is violently opposed; and Third, it is accepted as self-evident. -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) |
SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY
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SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY
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writes On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:29 +0000, wrote: In message , writes Press Release 19th Feb 2007 SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many game birds was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of miles in hot weather. I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't harmful to animals. Are you suggesting you were wrong? Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. -- Malcolm Kane |
SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:01:52 +0000,
wrote: In message , writes On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:29 +0000, wrote: In message , writes Press Release 19th Feb 2007 SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many game birds was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of miles in hot weather. I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't harmful to animals. Are you suggesting you were wrong? Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, I might as well make use of the opportunity you are providing. Not doubt you'll snip it but it'll be there the next time :-)) See my responses to Dr Thick Why is Dr Malcolm Ogilvie known as Dr Thick? See the exchanges below: _________________________________ Malcolm: No, Angus, that's just you wriggling again. You used a specific term, "sock-puppet", on the internet and, as that term has no meaning other than that used on the internet, you must expect people to think that that's the meaning you were attributing to it. Angus: Complete rubbish! See above. Malcolm: No, Angus, a fact. Unless of course you can find a definition of sock-puppet as being the same as glove-puppet. Angus: From Wikipedia: "Simple hand puppets are usually not much larger than the hand itself. A sock puppet is a particularly simple type of hand puppet made from a sock. A glove puppet is slightly more complex, with an internal division for fingers allowing independent manipulation of a character's arms. ______________________________ or prejudice like: _____________________________ Internet posting to Malcolm Kane of Penrith from Dr Malcolm A Ogilvie "Malcolm, it must be what a teacher feels like after trying to drum something into the head of the dullard who is going to leave school with a single 'O' grade. There's only so much that someone so intellectually challenged can understand. The problem will come in later life, when an inability to grasp concepts, not to mention be able to understand the meanings of words, will seriously let them down, to the point when, how ever often they are told something, they merely repeat, as a rote, statements and claims which they think are very telling but, in fact, were meaningless or just plain wrong the first time, and continue to be so regardless of how many times they are repeated. The situation will be even worse if, during their lives, they have gained absolutely no personal knowledge of the subjects about which they spout and thus are completely unable to comprehend anyone who points out that their ignorance is letting them down." Dr Malcolm A Ogilvie Scientific Adviser to Scottish Natural Heritage On Internet Newsgroup uk.environment.conservation Date: Mon,18 Sept 2006 07:32;30 +0100 Comment: A nasty prejudiced and unwarranted attack on kids leaving school with one O Grade. ___________________________ Or dimness of mind when you can't understand a question: __________________________ Malcolm Ogilvie aka Dr Thick is confused about his measure of intelligence. A Macmillan: "Do you think you don't have limited intelligence?" Dr Thick:: "What a contorted question. The answer is yes. What about yourself?" ___________________________ Or confusion about what is natural __________________________ Dr Malcolm Ogilvie: "The grey squirrel, on the other hand, is an invasive non-native introduced from North America." Angus Macmillan: "In perfectly natural circumstances, unless you exclude man from nature." Dr Malcolm Ogilvie: "More nonsensical rubbish." Angus Macmillan: "Are you saying that man is outside nature and that his actions are not natural?" Dr Malcolm Ogilvie: "Are you claiming that ships are natural objects?" Angus Macmillan: "Of course they are. They are a product of man's evolution and made entirely of natural materials." Dr Malcolm Ogilvie: "LOL!!!! You're a card, Angus, a real card :-)))) Since when have manufactured materials, for example, steel, been "natural"?" Angus Macmillan: "Steel and manufacturing are products of man's evolution and consists of entirely natural materials. I am gob-smacked at your ignorance in this matter." __________________________ Or when all else fails: _________________________ Angus: Is this where you tell me to "f****" off" like the last time Imentioned your air ambulance trip? Malcolm: Yes, if you like. **** off, Angus. _________________________ Which means just about everything he says is nonsense. Angus Macmillan www.roots-of-blood.org.uk www.killhunting.org www.con-servation.org.uk All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed; Second, it is violently opposed; and Third, it is accepted as self-evident. -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) |
SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY
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writes On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:01:52 +0000, wrote: In message , writes On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:29 +0000, wrote: In message , writes Press Release 19th Feb 2007 SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many game birds was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of miles in hot weather. I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't harmful to animals. Are you suggesting you were wrong? Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, I Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. -- Malcolm Kane |
SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY
wrote in message ... In message , writes On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:01:52 +0000, wrote: In message , writes On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:29 +0000, wrote: In message , writes Press Release 19th Feb 2007 SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many game birds was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of miles in hot weather. I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't harmful to animals. Are you suggesting you were wrong? Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, I Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. I really do appreciate how you take him on so bravely. It might be the best thing to do ignore completely now, yes? Tina |
SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY
In message , Christina Websell
writes wrote in message ... In message , writes On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:01:52 +0000, wrote: In message , writes On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:29 +0000, wrote: In message , writes Press Release 19th Feb 2007 SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many game birds was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of miles in hot weather. I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't harmful to animals. Are you suggesting you were wrong? Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, I Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. I really do appreciate how you take him on so bravely. It might be the best thing to do ignore completely now, yes? I am sorry but now is not the time to ignore Angus. At the moment he is trying to coerce/bully/intimidate me into not posting. This I **WILL NOT** do. I am sorry for all concerned I have suggested that kill filing the pair of us would be best as I intend to keep on for months or years rather than be silenced. -- Malcolm Kane |
SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 18:09:34 +0000,
wrote: In message , writes On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:01:52 +0000, wrote: In message , writes On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:29 +0000, wrote: In message , writes Press Release 19th Feb 2007 SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many game birds was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of miles in hot weather. I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't harmful to animals. Are you suggesting you were wrong? Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, I Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, I might as well make use of the opportunity you are providing. Not doubt you'll snip it but it'll be there the next time :-)) See my responses to Dr Thick Why is Dr Malcolm Ogilvie known as Dr Thick? See the exchanges below: _________________________________ Malcolm: No, Angus, that's just you wriggling again. You used a specific term, "sock-puppet", on the internet and, as that term has no meaning other than that used on the internet, you must expect people to think that that's the meaning you were attributing to it. Angus: Complete rubbish! See above. Malcolm: No, Angus, a fact. Unless of course you can find a definition of sock-puppet as being the same as glove-puppet. Angus: From Wikipedia: "Simple hand puppets are usually not much larger than the hand itself. A sock puppet is a particularly simple type of hand puppet made from a sock. A glove puppet is slightly more complex, with an internal division for fingers allowing independent manipulation of a character's arms. ______________________________ or prejudice like: _____________________________ Internet posting to Malcolm Kane of Penrith from Dr Malcolm A Ogilvie "Malcolm, it must be what a teacher feels like after trying to drum something into the head of the dullard who is going to leave school with a single 'O' grade. There's only so much that someone so intellectually challenged can understand. The problem will come in later life, when an inability to grasp concepts, not to mention be able to understand the meanings of words, will seriously let them down, to the point when, how ever often they are told something, they merely repeat, as a rote, statements and claims which they think are very telling but, in fact, were meaningless or just plain wrong the first time, and continue to be so regardless of how many times they are repeated. The situation will be even worse if, during their lives, they have gained absolutely no personal knowledge of the subjects about which they spout and thus are completely unable to comprehend anyone who points out that their ignorance is letting them down." Dr Malcolm A Ogilvie Scientific Adviser to Scottish Natural Heritage On Internet Newsgroup uk.environment.conservation Date: Mon,18 Sept 2006 07:32;30 +0100 Comment: A nasty prejudiced and unwarranted attack on kids leaving school with one O Grade. ___________________________ Or dimness of mind when you can't understand a question: __________________________ Malcolm Ogilvie aka Dr Thick is confused about his measure of intelligence. A Macmillan: "Do you think you don't have limited intelligence?" Dr Thick:: "What a contorted question. The answer is yes. What about yourself?" ___________________________ Or confusion about what is natural __________________________ Dr Malcolm Ogilvie: "The grey squirrel, on the other hand, is an invasive non-native introduced from North America." Angus Macmillan: "In perfectly natural circumstances, unless you exclude man from nature." Dr Malcolm Ogilvie: "More nonsensical rubbish." Angus Macmillan: "Are you saying that man is outside nature and that his actions are not natural?" Dr Malcolm Ogilvie: "Are you claiming that ships are natural objects?" Angus Macmillan: "Of course they are. They are a product of man's evolution and made entirely of natural materials." Dr Malcolm Ogilvie: "LOL!!!! You're a card, Angus, a real card :-)))) Since when have manufactured materials, for example, steel, been "natural"?" Angus Macmillan: "Steel and manufacturing are products of man's evolution and consists of entirely natural materials. I am gob-smacked at your ignorance in this matter." __________________________ Or when all else fails: _________________________ Angus: Is this where you tell me to "f****" off" like the last time Imentioned your air ambulance trip? Malcolm: Yes, if you like. **** off, Angus. _________________________ Which means just about everything he says is nonsense. Angus Macmillan www.roots-of-blood.org.uk www.killhunting.org www.con-servation.org.uk All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed; Second, it is violently opposed; and Third, it is accepted as self-evident. -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) |
SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:05:02 -0000, "Christina Websell"
wrote: wrote in message ... In message , writes On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:01:52 +0000, wrote: In message , writes On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:29 +0000, wrote: In message , writes Press Release 19th Feb 2007 SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many game birds was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of miles in hot weather. I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't harmful to animals. Are you suggesting you were wrong? Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, I Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. I really do appreciate how you take him on so bravely. It might be the best thing to do ignore completely now, yes? Tina Nothing brave about being stupid. Angus Macmillan www.roots-of-blood.org.uk www.killhunting.org www.con-servation.org.uk All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed; Second, it is violently opposed; and Third, it is accepted as self-evident. -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) |
SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:33:59 +0000,
wrote: In message , Christina Websell writes wrote in message ... In message , writes On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:01:52 +0000, wrote: In message , writes On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:29 +0000, wrote: In message , writes Press Release 19th Feb 2007 SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many game birds was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of miles in hot weather. I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't harmful to animals. Are you suggesting you were wrong? Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, I Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. I really do appreciate how you take him on so bravely. It might be the best thing to do ignore completely now, yes? I am sorry but now is not the time to ignore Angus. At the moment he is trying to coerce/bully/intimidate me into not posting. I'm not trying to intimidate you Malcolm. You seldom post any meaningful responses and just act as a sock puppet for Dr Thick with an endless flow of garbage such as the most recent concerning relocation. You are comparing the relocation of hedgehogs for their own benefit with the transport of pheasant chicks by truck where large numbers die before they reach their destination. That is just plain stupid. This I **WILL NOT** do. Ok. I am sorry for all concerned I have suggested that kill filing the pair of us would be best as I intend to keep on for months or years rather than be silenced. Another stupid statement. If people do as you suggest, the effect will be the same as not posting at all. :-)) As I have said in the past I have no objection to answering you posts if they are not stupid sniping like the one above. And you, like Malcolm Ogilvie are not capable of arguing your case in a coherent manner without attacking me on a personal basis - to which I shall respond in.kind. I am quite happy to bring all this nonsense to a close if you are prepared to post sensibly. I am also not stupid enough to let this go on for "months or years". Angus Macmillan www.roots-of-blood.org.uk www.killhunting.org www.con-servation.org.uk All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed; Second, it is violently opposed; and Third, it is accepted as self-evident. -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) |
SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY
In message ,
writes On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:33:59 +0000, wrote: In message , Christina Websell writes wrote in message ... In message , writes On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:01:52 +0000, wrote: In message , writes On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:29 +0000, wrote: In message , writes Press Release 19th Feb 2007 SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many game birds was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of miles in hot weather. I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't harmful to animals. Are you suggesting you were wrong? Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, I Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. I really do appreciate how you take him on so bravely. It might be the best thing to do ignore completely now, yes? I am sorry but now is not the time to ignore Angus. At the moment he is trying to coerce/bully/intimidate me into not posting. I'm not trying to intimidate you Malcolm. So you admit to the coercing and bullying :-)))))) You seldom post any meaningful responses and just act as a sock puppet for Dr Thick with an endless flow of garbage such as the most recent concerning relocation. You are comparing the relocation of hedgehogs for their own benefit with the transport of pheasant chicks by truck where large numbers die before they reach their destination. That is just plain stupid. Angus I am afraid that translocation is translocation. Calves transported suffer sometimes from "transit fever" or shock pneumonia. Why the animal as being moved doesn't remove the problem. The problem remains. You seem to think that because they are being moved "for their own good" they will not suffer. This is not so. This I **WILL NOT** do. Ok. I am sorry for all concerned I have suggested that kill filing the pair of us would be best as I intend to keep on for months or years rather than be silenced. Another stupid statement. If people do as you suggest, the effect will be the same as not posting at all. :-)) As I have said in the past I have no objection to answering you posts if they are not stupid sniping like the one above. Angus I am not going to change usenet practice just because you don't like it. You appear to have snipped what Christina said and find that acceptable. And you, like Malcolm Ogilvie are not capable of arguing your case in a coherent manner without attacking me on a personal basis - to which I shall respond in.kind. What personal attack have I launched? You began the present situation by deciding that you were going to answer all my posts with a one liner which was abusive of the person you choose to call DR Thick. I responded it kind. I am quite happy that you either respond or not to my posts. If you respond with abusive one liners etc. I will respond in kind. If you don't respond fair enough. However when I ask a question and you don't respond it is hard to know if you have missed the post or are trying to avoid the post. Can you suggest a way in which I will know? I am quite happy to bring all this nonsense to a close if you are prepared to post sensibly. Angus I feel that all I do is use usenet. You have as does anyone else the choice of responding or not. I will respond if I feel I have a point to make or a question to ask. If I am met by abuse to myself OR OTHERS I will respond in kind. I am also not stupid enough to let this go on for "months or years". Good. I however am if necessary. Please read this carefully try to understand my point of view and then either respond or not as you feel fit. However I WILL NOT stop posting merely because you would like me to. I am sorry that I have replied to a large number of posts before this. That is due to the way my news reader presents them to me. I shall not reply to any more of your cut and pastes in this session until I see what sort of a reply ( or not ) I get to this post. -- Malcolm Kane |
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In message ,
writes On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:05:02 -0000, "Christina Websell" wrote: wrote in message ... In message , writes On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:01:52 +0000, wrote: In message , writes On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:29 +0000, wrote: In message , writes Press Release 19th Feb 2007 SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many game birds was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of miles in hot weather. I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't harmful to animals. Are you suggesting you were wrong? Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, I Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. I really do appreciate how you take him on so bravely. It might be the best thing to do ignore completely now, yes? Tina Nothing brave about being stupid. Angus I said I wouldn't reply to your cut and pastes however this isn't cut and paste. It is clearly the kind of post I was referring to. Abuse for the sake of abuse. You may as well have not replied. -- Malcolm Kane |
SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY
On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:59:44 +0000,
wrote: In message , writes On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:33:59 +0000, wrote: In message , Christina Websell writes wrote in message ... In message , writes On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:01:52 +0000, wrote: In message , writes On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:29 +0000, wrote: In message , writes Press Release 19th Feb 2007 SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many game birds was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of miles in hot weather. I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't harmful to animals. Are you suggesting you were wrong? Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, I Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. I really do appreciate how you take him on so bravely. It might be the best thing to do ignore completely now, yes? I am sorry but now is not the time to ignore Angus. At the moment he is trying to coerce/bully/intimidate me into not posting. I'm not trying to intimidate you Malcolm. So you admit to the coercing and bullying :-)))))) Not at all. You seldom post any meaningful responses and just act as a sock puppet for Dr Thick with an endless flow of garbage such as the most recent concerning relocation. You are comparing the relocation of hedgehogs for their own benefit with the transport of pheasant chicks by truck where large numbers die before they reach their destination. That is just plain stupid. Angus I am afraid that translocation is translocation. Calves transported suffer sometimes from "transit fever" or shock pneumonia. Not for their own good. Why the animal as being moved doesn't remove the problem. The problem remains. Not at all. The reason behind the removal determines whether it is a problem or not. You seem to think that because they are being moved "for their own good" they will not suffer. It has been shown that the hedgehogs don't. This is not so. See above. This I **WILL NOT** do. Ok. I am sorry for all concerned I have suggested that kill filing the pair of us would be best as I intend to keep on for months or years rather than be silenced. Another stupid statement. If people do as you suggest, the effect will be the same as not posting at all. :-)) I see you haven't answered this because you probably realise how stupid you are being by backing yourself into a corner like this :-)) As I have said in the past I have no objection to answering you posts if they are not stupid sniping like the one above. Angus I am not going to change usenet practice just because you don't like it. I'm not asking you to change usenet practice, merely to look at the responses I've given to Dr Thick. You appear to have snipped what Christina said and find that acceptable. No I haven't . This is a separate post And you, like Malcolm Ogilvie are not capable of arguing your case in a coherent manner without attacking me on a personal basis - to which I shall respond in.kind. What personal attack have I launched? On many occasions you falsely attack me rather than the issue, "intellectually challenged" springs to mind among a host of other denigrating descriptions because I challenge the fake conservationists. You began the present situation by deciding that you were going to answer all my posts with a one liner which was abusive of the person you choose to call DR Thick. Sure because I was responding to Dr Thick and said to you "See my responses to Dr Thick" You're not Dr Thick's keeper or protector. I certainly wasn't abusing you. And Dr Thick abuses me on many occasions which you seem to ignore. I responded it kind. I am quite happy that you either respond or not to my posts. If you respond with abusive one liners etc. I will respond in kind. But I'm not abusing you. I'm referring you to my responses to Dr Thick. If you don't respond fair enough. However when I ask a question and you don't respond it is hard to know if you have missed the post or are trying to avoid the post. That's why I responded. Can you suggest a way in which I will know? By seeing my response that refers you to my responses to Dr thick. I am quite happy to bring all this nonsense to a close if you are prepared to post sensibly. Angus I feel that all I do is use usenet. You have as does anyone else the choice of responding or not. Which I have been doing and not abusing you. I will respond if I feel I have a point to make or a question to ask. So will I. If I am met by abuse to myself OR OTHERS I will respond in kind. So are you setting yourself up as this ng's protector? Or just a sock puppet for Dr Thick? I am also not stupid enough to let this go on for "months or years". Good. I however am if necessary. So you're stupid enough? Please read this carefully try to understand my point of view and then either respond or not as you feel fit. However I WILL NOT stop posting merely because you would like me to. Nor me. And if I think it is fitting to refer you to my responses to another poster. I am sorry that I have replied to a large number of posts before this. That is due to the way my news reader presents them to me. I shall not reply to any more of your cut and pastes in this session until I see what sort of a reply ( or not ) I get to this post. Good, so I shan't respond to your until I get an answer. But before all this I would like you to consider the responses I have copied and pasted about Malcolm Ogilvie. He is a PhD and advisor for a leading government agency and yet comes away with some amazing garbage. In my view that qualifies me for calling him Dr Thick and I don't consider it abuse; it is merely a label he has well and truly earned. The one smart thing he's done in the past few days is leave you to carry the can of repetitive posting which he sensibly abandoned after one day :-)) Do you never feel used? Angus Macmillan www.roots-of-blood.org.uk www.killhunting.org www.con-servation.org.uk All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed; Second, it is violently opposed; and Third, it is accepted as self-evident. -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) |
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On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:59:51 +0000,
wrote: In message , writes On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:05:02 -0000, "Christina Websell" wrote: wrote in message ... In message , writes On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:01:52 +0000, wrote: In message , writes On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:29 +0000, wrote: In message , writes Press Release 19th Feb 2007 SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many game birds was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of miles in hot weather. I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't harmful to animals. Are you suggesting you were wrong? Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, I Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. I really do appreciate how you take him on so bravely. It might be the best thing to do ignore completely now, yes? Tina Nothing brave about being stupid. Angus I said I wouldn't reply to your cut and pastes however this isn't cut and paste. It is clearly the kind of post I was referring to. Abuse for the sake of abuse. You may as well have not replied. I think it is rather stupid and very little to do with bravery. I think Tina's trying to let you down lightly. Angus Macmillan www.roots-of-blood.org.uk www.killhunting.org www.con-servation.org.uk All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed; Second, it is violently opposed; and Third, it is accepted as self-evident. -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) |
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In message ,
writes On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:59:44 +0000, wrote: In message , writes On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:33:59 +0000, wrote: In message , Christina Websell writes wrote in message ... In message , writes On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:01:52 +0000, wrote: In message , writes On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:29 +0000, wrote: In message , writes Press Release 19th Feb 2007 SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of miles in hot weather. I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't harmful to animals. Are you suggesting you were wrong? Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, I Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. I really do appreciate how you take him on so bravely. It might be the best thing to do ignore completely now, yes? I am sorry but now is not the time to ignore Angus. At the moment he is trying to coerce/bully/intimidate me into not posting. I'm not trying to intimidate you Malcolm. So you admit to the coercing and bullying :-)))))) Not at all. You seldom post any meaningful responses and just act as a sock puppet for Dr Thick with an endless flow of garbage such as the most recent concerning relocation. You are comparing the relocation of hedgehogs for their own benefit with the transport of pheasant chicks by truck where large numbers die before they reach their destination. That is just plain stupid. Angus I am afraid that translocation is translocation. Calves transported suffer sometimes from "transit fever" or shock pneumonia. Not for their own good. So the risk of suffering and death is acceptable if it is for their own good? Why the animal as being moved doesn't remove the problem. The problem remains. Not at all. The reason behind the removal determines whether it is a problem or not. Suffering and death is a problem if it is for the animals own good. Personally I feel a quick clean death is better than the suffering before the death. You seem to think that because they are being moved "for their own good" they will not suffer. It has been shown that the hedgehogs don't. None? This is not so. See above. Reference please. This I **WILL NOT** do. Ok. I am sorry for all concerned I have suggested that kill filing the pair of us would be best as I intend to keep on for months or years rather than be silenced. Another stupid statement. If people do as you suggest, the effect will be the same as not posting at all. :-)) I see you haven't answered this because you probably realise how stupid you are being by backing yourself into a corner like this :-)) Angus I am in no corner I can and will happily spend years cutting and pasting to your abusive and or cut and paste replies. That is a fact take it or leave it. As I have said in the past I have no objection to answering you posts if they are not stupid sniping like the one above. Angus I am not going to change usenet practice just because you don't like it. I'm not asking you to change usenet practice, merely to look at the responses I've given to Dr Thick. Firstly I don't look at posts directed by abusive replies. Secondly as I often point out you don't address the points in your replies to anyone. You appear to have snipped what Christina said and find that acceptable. No I haven't . This is a separate post This post contains Christina's message ID and some of her words. They didn't get there by accident. If they hadn't been snipped all her words would be there. And you, like Malcolm Ogilvie are not capable of arguing your case in a coherent manner without attacking me on a personal basis - to which I shall respond in.kind. What personal attack have I launched? On many occasions you falsely attack me rather than the issue, "intellectually challenged" springs to mind among a host of other denigrating descriptions because I challenge the fake conservationists. Sorry I was merely using your own style but in less abusive terms. I don't think intellectually challenged is an attack merely a statement of what I feel. You MIGHT also notice I generally say words to the effect that "you can't be so..." or "I don't believe you are..." However if you feel it acceptable to call people thick or stupid why do you get so touchy about their replies. Perhaps you should set an example by refraining from such tactics. You began the present situation by deciding that you were going to answer all my posts with a one liner which was abusive of the person you choose to call DR Thick. Sure because I was responding to Dr Thick and said to you "See my responses to Dr Thick" You're not Dr Thick's keeper or protector. I certainly wasn't abusing you. I don't think Angus that A NG is any place for such abuse of anybody. That doesn't also alter the fact that you used your one line abusive reply and pretended to have replied elsewhere. You might have noticed I drew your attention to the fact when you didn't in fact address the point elsewhere. And Dr Thick abuses me on many occasions which you seem to ignore. IMO he is responding to your continual style of abuse when somebody doesn't agree with you. As I say above I don't consider a NG as any place for such abuse. I responded it kind. I am quite happy that you either respond or not to my posts. If you respond with abusive one liners etc. I will respond in kind. But I'm not abusing you. I'm referring you to my responses to Dr Thick. I didn't say you were I said the response was abusive, Why should I tolerate abuse in any reply no matter to whom it is addressed. If you don't respond fair enough. However when I ask a question and you don't respond it is hard to know if you have missed the post or are trying to avoid the post. That's why I responded. Fair enough. Still no excuse for abuse or not answering the points in replies to others. Can you suggest a way in which I will know? By seeing my response that refers you to my responses to Dr thick. You see abuse is habitual with you. In this post I haven't attacked you or abused you but you still can't manage to carry on a civilised discussion without abuse. To address your point seeing your responses to others. I read all posts to the NG apart from the resident troll whom I have kill filed. Don't bother to ask - you will know the individual well enough. However this does not always address the points I make generally 50% or less. I am quite happy to bring all this nonsense to a close if you are prepared to post sensibly. Angus I feel that all I do is use usenet. You have as does anyone else the choice of responding or not. Which I have been doing and not abusing you. Angus you haven't been not responding. You have been posting cut and paste replies which are abusive to other posters on the NG. I object to abuse of anyone. I will respond if I feel I have a point to make or a question to ask. So will I. Good! However I feel that many times when the question is asked you avoid answering by referring to other posts which as I have pointed out only address the point about 50% of the time. If I am met by abuse to myself OR OTHERS I will respond in kind. So are you setting yourself up as this ng's protector? NO I am merely trying to establish posts of a kind that I am prepared to accept and read. Most people eventually respond to the "do as you would be done by" treatment. In fact I think this discussion is as a result of such tactics. Or just a sock puppet for Dr Thick? As I pointed out habitual abuse. There has been no abuse from me in this post so why is your reply littered with it? I am also not stupid enough to let this go on for "months or years". Good. I however am if necessary. So you're stupid enough? I am prepared to accept that by your description replying as I have been doing is stupid (why do I now expect that to pop up in some abuse in the future). I am also prepared to carry on my vendetta/campaign call it what you will for years if you wish to carry on your side. Please read this carefully try to understand my point of view and then either respond or not as you feel fit. However I WILL NOT stop posting merely because you would like me to. Nor me. And if I think it is fitting to refer you to my responses to another poster. Providing that the responses address the point. Sadly they often don't. I am sorry that I have replied to a large number of posts before this. That is due to the way my news reader presents them to me. I shall not reply to any more of your cut and pastes in this session until I see what sort of a reply ( or not ) I get to this post. Good, so I shan't respond to your until I get an answer. But before all this I would like you to consider the responses I have copied and pasted about Malcolm Ogilvie. He is a PhD and advisor for a leading government agency and yet comes away with some amazing garbage. I am afraid that is only your opinion. It certainly isn't mine or I feel any others who read his posts. I have always found his replies to be firmly based in fact and or accepted methodology, techniques, classifications etc. In my view that qualifies me for calling him Dr Thick and I don't consider it abuse; it is merely a label he has well and truly earned. It is an abusive label earned or not. Coming from a person who got so upset about what he perceived as a slur on school children who were only able to achieve a single exam result it is also difficult to understand your stance. The one smart thing he's done in the past few days is leave you to carry the can of repetitive posting which he sensibly abandoned after one day :-)) I am carrying the can for nobody, merely trying to communicate with a NG. Do you never feel used? No as I haven't been. What I am doing is purely my own tactic and one I am perfectly comfortable with. To summarise. I post as a free agent to a NG I like. I object to abuse of anyone particularly when I feel it unnecessary. (I feel you dish out FAR more abuse then you receive I know you obviously don't. Perhaps I should draw to your attention when you do.) I will continue to post to news groups as and when I feel fit I will not be told by anyone when I should and shouldn't post. If you respond by huge swathes of cut and pasted abuse then expect me to use the same tactics. (No matter who the abuse is addressed to) If you post references for me to read other posts that is fair enough PROVIDED the points I make are actually addressed in those posts. If they aren't expect me to draw it to your attention probably in the way that this started.. -- Malcolm Kane |
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In message ,
writes On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:59:51 +0000, wrote: In message , writes On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:05:02 -0000, "Christina Websell" wrote: wrote in message ... In message , writes On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:01:52 +0000, wrote: In message , writes On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:29 +0000, wrote: In message , writes Press Release 19th Feb 2007 SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many game birds was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of miles in hot weather. I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't harmful to animals. Are you suggesting you were wrong? Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, I Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. I really do appreciate how you take him on so bravely. It might be the best thing to do ignore completely now, yes? Tina Nothing brave about being stupid. Angus I said I wouldn't reply to your cut and pastes however this isn't cut and paste. It is clearly the kind of post I was referring to. Abuse for the sake of abuse. You may as well have not replied. I think it is rather stupid and very little to do with bravery. I think Tina's trying to let you down lightly. I though you had just said in a post "I won't reply to your until I get your reply". Seems you couldn't resist. Seems you couldn't resist your habitual abuse either. I will post my reply but I suspect from this post it will be a waste of time. -- Malcolm Kane |
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On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:25:01 +0000,
wrote: In message , writes On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:59:44 +0000, wrote: In message , writes On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:33:59 +0000, wrote: In message , Christina Websell writes wrote in message ... In message , writes On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:01:52 +0000, wrote: In message , writes On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:29 +0000, wrote: In message , writes Press Release 19th Feb 2007 SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of miles in hot weather. I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't harmful to animals. Are you suggesting you were wrong? Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, I Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. I really do appreciate how you take him on so bravely. It might be the best thing to do ignore completely now, yes? I am sorry but now is not the time to ignore Angus. At the moment he is trying to coerce/bully/intimidate me into not posting. I'm not trying to intimidate you Malcolm. So you admit to the coercing and bullying :-)))))) Not at all. You seldom post any meaningful responses and just act as a sock puppet for Dr Thick with an endless flow of garbage such as the most recent concerning relocation. You are comparing the relocation of hedgehogs for their own benefit with the transport of pheasant chicks by truck where large numbers die before they reach their destination. That is just plain stupid. Angus I am afraid that translocation is translocation. Calves transported suffer sometimes from "transit fever" or shock pneumonia. Not for their own good. So the risk of suffering and death is acceptable if it is for their own good? Why the animal as being moved doesn't remove the problem. The problem remains. Not at all. The reason behind the removal determines whether it is a problem or not. Suffering and death is a problem if it is for the animals own good. Personally I feel a quick clean death is better than the suffering before the death. You seem to think that because they are being moved "for their own good" they will not suffer. It has been shown that the hedgehogs don't. None? This is not so. See above. Reference please. Back to your old nonsense already. Read about it yourself. This I **WILL NOT** do. Ok. I am sorry for all concerned I have suggested that kill filing the pair of us would be best as I intend to keep on for months or years rather than be silenced. Another stupid statement. If people do as you suggest, the effect will be the same as not posting at all. :-)) I see you haven't answered this because you probably realise how stupid you are being by backing yourself into a corner like this :-)) Angus I am in no corner I can and will happily spend years cutting and pasting to your abusive and or cut and paste replies. That is a fact take it or leave it. You're on a manic hook you can't get off - unless I let you off it :-)) As I have said in the past I have no objection to answering you posts if they are not stupid sniping like the one above. Angus I am not going to change usenet practice just because you don't like it. I'm not asking you to change usenet practice, merely to look at the responses I've given to Dr Thick. Firstly I don't look at posts directed by abusive replies. Secondly as I often point out you don't address the points in your replies to anyone. I'm not particularily interested in your replies so I pass you on to my responses to Dr Thick. You appear to have snipped what Christina said and find that acceptable. No I haven't . This is a separate post This post contains Christina's message ID and some of her words. They didn't get there by accident. If they hadn't been snipped all her words would be there. I certainly didn't snip anything. And you, like Malcolm Ogilvie are not capable of arguing your case in a coherent manner without attacking me on a personal basis - to which I shall respond in.kind. What personal attack have I launched? On many occasions you falsely attack me rather than the issue, "intellectually challenged" springs to mind among a host of other denigrating descriptions because I challenge the fake conservationists. Sorry I was merely using your own style but in less abusive terms. I don't think intellectually challenged is an attack merely a statement of what I feel. You MIGHT also notice I generally say words to the effect that "you can't be so..." or "I don't believe you are..." However if you feel it acceptable to call people thick or stupid why do you get so touchy about their replies. I'm frequently called "ignorant" by Dr Thick. Why shouldn't I respond? Perhaps you should set an example by refraining from such tactics. Perhaps Dr Thick should. You began the present situation by deciding that you were going to answer all my posts with a one liner which was abusive of the person you choose to call DR Thick. Sure because I was responding to Dr Thick and said to you "See my responses to Dr Thick" You're not Dr Thick's keeper or protector. I certainly wasn't abusing you. I don't think Angus that A NG is any place for such abuse of anybody. I don't consider "thick" being any more abusive than "ignorant". That doesn't also alter the fact that you used your one line abusive reply and pretended to have replied elsewhere. You might have noticed I drew your attention to the fact when you didn't in fact address the point elsewhere. But I'm not particularly interested in what you have to say so I refer you to the main opponent. I suppose you consider it abusive if I say that IMO you're only a side show. So I don't have time to respond to your multiple posts. And Dr Thick abuses me on many occasions which you seem to ignore. IMO he is responding to your continual style of abuse when somebody doesn't agree with you. I give back what I get. As I say above I don't consider a NG as any place for such abuse. But it's not your job to regulate it between others. I responded it kind. I am quite happy that you either respond or not to my posts. If you respond with abusive one liners etc. I will respond in kind. But I'm not abusing you. I'm referring you to my responses to Dr Thick. I didn't say you were I said the response was abusive, Why should I tolerate abuse in any reply no matter to whom it is addressed. Possibly because you're the sock puppet? Would you care if someone abused me? So why don't you object to Dr Thick's posts? But don't worry about me, I can look after myself. If you don't respond fair enough. However when I ask a question and you don't respond it is hard to know if you have missed the post or are trying to avoid the post. That's why I responded. Fair enough. Still no excuse for abuse or not answering the points in replies to others. I've covered this. Can you suggest a way in which I will know? By seeing my response that refers you to my responses to Dr thick. You see abuse is habitual with you. In this post I haven't attacked you or abused you but you still can't manage to carry on a civilised discussion without abuse. It's not abuse when it's true. I'm perfectly prepared to discuss any of the points I have pasted regarding my conclusion that Malcolm well deserves the label Dr Thick. To address your point seeing your responses to others. I read all posts to the NG apart from the resident troll whom I have kill filed. Don't bother to ask - you will know the individual well enough. However this does not always address the points I make generally 50% or less. I don't killfile anyone. I am quite happy to bring all this nonsense to a close if you are prepared to post sensibly. Angus I feel that all I do is use usenet. You have as does anyone else the choice of responding or not. Which I have been doing and not abusing you. Angus you haven't been not responding. You have been posting cut and paste replies which are abusive to other posters on the NG. I object to abuse of anyone. Not against me it would seem :-)) I will respond if I feel I have a point to make or a question to ask. So will I. Good! However I feel that many times when the question is asked you avoid answering by referring to other posts which as I have pointed out only address the point about 50% of the time. See what I've written above. If I am met by abuse to myself OR OTHERS I will respond in kind. So are you setting yourself up as this ng's protector? NO I am merely trying to establish posts of a kind that I am prepared to accept and read. But you're not the only one who reads them. They're not exclusively yours to decide. If you don't want to read the killfile me. Most people eventually respond to the "do as you would be done by" treatment. That's why I give back what I get. In fact I think this discussion is as a result of such tactics. Or just a sock puppet for Dr Thick? As I pointed out habitual abuse. There has been no abuse from me in this post so why is your reply littered with it? You do act as a sock puppet for Dr Thick. You're too touchy. I am also not stupid enough to let this go on for "months or years". Good. I however am if necessary. So you're stupid enough? I am prepared to accept that by your description replying as I have been doing is stupid (why do I now expect that to pop up in some abuse in the future). Good, you're getting there. I am also prepared to carry on my vendetta/campaign call it what you will for years if you wish to carry on your side. I'm not carrying on a vendetta against you. I just not prepared to waste my time answering endless silly questions. That's why I am polite enough to respond rather than ignore you, but then refer you to my responses to Dr Thick. It's really very simple. Please read this carefully try to understand my point of view and then either respond or not as you feel fit. However I WILL NOT stop posting merely because you would like me to. Nor me. And if I think it is fitting to refer you to my responses to another poster. Providing that the responses address the point. Sadly they often don't. But I'm not particularly interested in your points. I think it's quite in order to refer you to the main line of discussion. I am sorry that I have replied to a large number of posts before this. That is due to the way my news reader presents them to me. I shall not reply to any more of your cut and pastes in this session until I see what sort of a reply ( or not ) I get to this post. Good, so I shan't respond to your until I get an answer. But before all this I would like you to consider the responses I have copied and pasted about Malcolm Ogilvie. He is a PhD and advisor for a leading government agency and yet comes away with some amazing garbage. I am afraid that is only your opinion. It certainly isn't mine or I feel any others who read his posts. I have always found his replies to be firmly based in fact and or accepted methodology, techniques, classifications etc. That is your opinion. In my view that qualifies me for calling him Dr Thick and I don't consider it abuse; it is merely a label he has well and truly earned. It is an abusive label earned or not. It can't be abusive if it's earned. Coming from a person who got so upset about what he perceived as a slur on school children who were only able to achieve a single exam result it is also difficult to understand your stance. Why should I be upset? I thought it was a disgraceful slur on kids leaving school with one "O Grade", and I still do. The one smart thing he's done in the past few days is leave you to carry the can of repetitive posting which he sensibly abandoned after one day :-)) I am carrying the can for nobody, merely trying to communicate with a NG. The fact you don't see it shows how gullible you can be. Ad that's not an abusive remark. Do you never feel used? No as I haven't been. What I am doing is purely my own tactic and one I am perfectly comfortable with. Which you have identified as "stupid". To summarise. I post as a free agent to a NG I like. I object to abuse of anyone particularly when I feel it unnecessary. (I feel you dish out FAR more abuse then you receive I know you obviously don't. Perhaps I should draw to your attention when you do.) I will continue to post to news groups as and when I feel fit I will not be told by anyone when I should and shouldn't post. I never have. If you respond by huge swathes of cut and pasted abuse then expect me to use the same tactics. (No matter who the abuse is addressed to) So you're the self appointed regulator on this ng :-)) If you post references for me to read other posts that is fair enough PROVIDED the points I make are actually addressed in those posts. But I'm not interested in addressing your points. Have I not made that clear? If they aren't expect me to draw it to your attention probably in the way that this started.. I'll tell you what. I'll let you off this stupidly manic hook by not copying the current crop of nonsense first, if you do the same. But if you post numerous messages that I haven't the time or the inclination to answer I'll refer you to my responses to Dr Thick. I'm giving you the opportunity to get out of this silly loop. Angus Macmillan www.roots-of-blood.org.uk www.killhunting.org www.con-servation.org.uk All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed; Second, it is violently opposed; and Third, it is accepted as self-evident. -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) |
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writes On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:25:01 +0000, wrote: In message , writes On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:59:44 +0000, wrote: In message , writes On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:33:59 +0000, wrote: In message , Christina Websell writes wrote in message ... In message , writes On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:01:52 +0000, wrote: In message , writes On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:29 +0000, wrote: In message , writes Press Release 19th Feb 2007 SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of miles in hot weather. I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't harmful to animals. Are you suggesting you were wrong? Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, I Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. I really do appreciate how you take him on so bravely. It might be the best thing to do ignore completely now, yes? I am sorry but now is not the time to ignore Angus. At the moment he is trying to coerce/bully/intimidate me into not posting. I'm not trying to intimidate you Malcolm. So you admit to the coercing and bullying :-)))))) Not at all. You seldom post any meaningful responses and just act as a sock puppet for Dr Thick with an endless flow of garbage such as the most recent concerning relocation. You are comparing the relocation of hedgehogs for their own benefit with the transport of pheasant chicks by truck where large numbers die before they reach their destination. That is just plain stupid. Angus I am afraid that translocation is translocation. Calves transported suffer sometimes from "transit fever" or shock pneumonia. Not for their own good. So the risk of suffering and death is acceptable if it is for their own good? Why the animal as being moved doesn't remove the problem. The problem remains. Not at all. The reason behind the removal determines whether it is a problem or not. Suffering and death is a problem if it is for the animals own good. Personally I feel a quick clean death is better than the suffering before the death. You seem to think that because they are being moved "for their own good" they will not suffer. It has been shown that the hedgehogs don't. None? This is not so. See above. Reference please. Back to your old nonsense already. Read about it yourself. I could say the same for you Angus. In a debate/discussion it is reasonable to expect the person making a point to be able to back it up. Having worked with calves in the past I feel I know enough about "transit fever" and translocation. If you wish to try to undermine the points I make by claiming what I say isn't so you need to back it up by references. This I **WILL NOT** do. Ok. I am sorry for all concerned I have suggested that kill filing the pair of us would be best as I intend to keep on for months or years rather than be silenced. Another stupid statement. If people do as you suggest, the effect will be the same as not posting at all. :-)) I see you haven't answered this because you probably realise how stupid you are being by backing yourself into a corner like this :-)) Angus I am in no corner I can and will happily spend years cutting and pasting to your abusive and or cut and paste replies. That is a fact take it or leave it. You're on a manic hook you can't get off - unless I let you off it :-)) Merely your opinion. If you wish to keep posting as you do you are as much on the hook as you think I am. As I have said in the past I have no objection to answering you posts if they are not stupid sniping like the one above. Angus I am not going to change usenet practice just because you don't like it. I'm not asking you to change usenet practice, merely to look at the responses I've given to Dr Thick. Firstly I don't look at posts directed by abusive replies. Secondly as I often point out you don't address the points in your replies to anyone. I'm not particularily interested in your replies so I pass you on to my responses to Dr Thick. I see you are still locked into the abuse situation. Abuse the last refuge of the coward and the bully. If you aren't interested in my replies don't respond to them. Simple. Otherwise if you refer me to other peoples posts then you need to ensure those posts reply to the points. You appear to have snipped what Christina said and find that acceptable. No I haven't . This is a separate post This post contains Christina's message ID and some of her words. They didn't get there by accident. If they hadn't been snipped all her words would be there. I certainly didn't snip anything. Can you account for my point above then? And you, like Malcolm Ogilvie are not capable of arguing your case in a coherent manner without attacking me on a personal basis - to which I shall respond in.kind. What personal attack have I launched? On many occasions you falsely attack me rather than the issue, "intellectually challenged" springs to mind among a host of other denigrating descriptions because I challenge the fake conservationists. Sorry I was merely using your own style but in less abusive terms. I don't think intellectually challenged is an attack merely a statement of what I feel. You MIGHT also notice I generally say words to the effect that "you can't be so..." or "I don't believe you are..." However if you feel it acceptable to call people thick or stupid why do you get so touchy about their replies. I'm frequently called "ignorant" by Dr Thick. Why shouldn't I respond? Ignorance isn't abuse it is merely a state of learning. People begin ignorant of a subject and lose the ignorance as they learn. I for example am totally ignorant of Mandarin Chinese. Perhaps you should set an example by refraining from such tactics. Perhaps Dr Thick should. If you refer to the "ignorant" post don't be so thin skinned it is as I said a state of knowledge. You began the present situation by deciding that you were going to answer all my posts with a one liner which was abusive of the person you choose to call DR Thick. Sure because I was responding to Dr Thick and said to you "See my responses to Dr Thick" You're not Dr Thick's keeper or protector. I certainly wasn't abusing you. I don't think Angus that A NG is any place for such abuse of anybody. I don't consider "thick" being any more abusive than "ignorant". Ignorant is a state of learning yet to be developed thick particularly when applied to those who clearly aren't is intended as abuse. That doesn't also alter the fact that you used your one line abusive reply and pretended to have replied elsewhere. You might have noticed I drew your attention to the fact when you didn't in fact address the point elsewhere. But I'm not particularly interested in what you have to say so I refer you to the main opponent. If you aren't interested don't waste time reading them. You continually use lack of time as an excuse. Kill file me. To refer me to other replies when you don't address the points is just another way of telling lies IMO. I suppose you consider it abusive if I say that IMO you're only a side show. Not at all. However you don't act as if I am a side show. You take the time and trouble to open my posts and cut and paste a reply. I take that as a compliment. So I don't have time to respond to your multiple posts. That is the point you unfailingly do respond. Even if merely with cut and pasted abuse. And Dr Thick abuses me on many occasions which you seem to ignore. IMO he is responding to your continual style of abuse when somebody doesn't agree with you. I give back what I get. Fine I will start counting and periodically post a number for each side. :-))))) As I say above I don't consider a NG as any place for such abuse. But it's not your job to regulate it between others. I'm not I am merely replying to your posts as I feel fit. That is after all allowed in usenet just like snipping is. I responded it kind. I am quite happy that you either respond or not to my posts. If you respond with abusive one liners etc. I will respond in kind. But I'm not abusing you. I'm referring you to my responses to Dr Thick. I didn't say you were I said the response was abusive, Why should I tolerate abuse in any reply no matter to whom it is addressed. Possibly because you're the sock puppet? Would you care if someone abused me? Angus as you should have seen from my posts above I don't like abuse from anyone. However you appear to start a lot of it. Threads which begin by you using abuse in the title for example. As I said I will do a count and see if I feel that you are unjustly treated or if you give more than you take. So why don't you object to Dr Thick's posts? I haven't noticed the amount of abuse from anyone else as I see from you. But don't worry about me, I can look after myself. Angus I have never worried about you. Your a big boy and I am sure quite capable of survival in a debate if you choose to. If you don't respond fair enough. However when I ask a question and you don't respond it is hard to know if you have missed the post or are trying to avoid the post. That's why I responded. Fair enough. Still no excuse for abuse or not answering the points in replies to others. I've covered this. Can you suggest a way in which I will know? By seeing my response that refers you to my responses to Dr thick. You see abuse is habitual with you. In this post I haven't attacked you or abused you but you still can't manage to carry on a civilised discussion without abuse. It's not abuse when it's true. However it patently isn't true as the individual you abuse has plenty of qualifications to prove conventionally he isn't thick and plenty of good factual posts to prove it as well. It is intended by you as abuse. I'm perfectly prepared to discuss any of the points I have pasted regarding my conclusion that Malcolm well deserves the label Dr Thick. To address your point seeing your responses to others. I read all posts to the NG apart from the resident troll whom I have kill filed. Don't bother to ask - you will know the individual well enough. However this does not always address the points I make generally 50% or less. I don't killfile anyone. Why not? It would ensure you didn't waste your valuable time cutting and pasting pointless replies to me. I am quite happy to bring all this nonsense to a close if you are prepared to post sensibly. Angus I feel that all I do is use usenet. You have as does anyone else the choice of responding or not. Which I have been doing and not abusing you. Angus you haven't been not responding. You have been posting cut and paste replies which are abusive to other posters on the NG. I object to abuse of anyone. Not against me it would seem :-)) See above. I will respond if I feel I have a point to make or a question to ask. So will I. Good! However I feel that many times when the question is asked you avoid answering by referring to other posts which as I have pointed out only address the point about 50% of the time. See what I've written above. Nothing above covers the fact that you tell me to look at other replies and find you haven't addressed the points. Don't hide behind a pretence either don't reply or you will find I point out your omissions. If I am met by abuse to myself OR OTHERS I will respond in kind. So are you setting yourself up as this ng's protector? NO I am merely trying to establish posts of a kind that I am prepared to accept and read. But you're not the only one who reads them. They're not exclusively yours to decide. If you don't want to read the killfile me. I would suggest you take your own advice :-)))))) There is no need for the abuse and I will continue to try to oppose it. Most people eventually respond to the "do as you would be done by" treatment. That's why I give back what I get. Fine we will wait and see what the "score" is that will show the validity of the statement. In fact I think this discussion is as a result of such tactics. Or just a sock puppet for Dr Thick? As I pointed out habitual abuse. There has been no abuse from me in this post so why is your reply littered with it? You do act as a sock puppet for Dr Thick. You're too touchy. Angus I have never met Dr Ogilvie unfortunately. I post what I feel is a suitable response to other peoples posts. If you find Malcolm and I say the same thing them it means that we both independently feel or know the same thing. I am sorry if this is a problem for you but there it is. My point above was that I haven't used abuse. Malcolm hasn't for a few days and yet you can't help yourself in comes the abuse. Then you claim you only give what you get. I am also not stupid enough to let this go on for "months or years". Good. I however am if necessary. So you're stupid enough? I am prepared to accept that by your description replying as I have been doing is stupid (why do I now expect that to pop up in some abuse in the future). Good, you're getting there. :-) note that is by your point of view. I am also prepared to carry on my vendetta/campaign call it what you will for years if you wish to carry on your side. I'm not carrying on a vendetta against you. I just not prepared to waste my time answering endless silly questions. That's why I am polite enough to respond rather than ignore you, but then refer you to my responses to Dr Thick. Angus you are using the abuse again. You really can't avoid it can you. Good job I haven't started counting yet isn't it. Be impolite ignore me if you have nothing better to say than to abuse somebody. It's really very simple. Please read this carefully try to understand my point of view and then either respond or not as you feel fit. However I WILL NOT stop posting merely because you would like me to. Nor me. And if I think it is fitting to refer you to my responses to another poster. Providing that the responses address the point. Sadly they often don't. But I'm not particularly interested in your points. I think it's quite in order to refer you to the main line of discussion. Not if the main line of the discussion doesn't address the point. Not if you do it by abusing another group member. I am sorry that I have replied to a large number of posts before this. That is due to the way my news reader presents them to me. I shall not reply to any more of your cut and pastes in this session until I see what sort of a reply ( or not ) I get to this post. Good, so I shan't respond to your until I get an answer. But before all this I would like you to consider the responses I have copied and pasted about Malcolm Ogilvie. He is a PhD and advisor for a leading government agency and yet comes away with some amazing garbage. I am afraid that is only your opinion. It certainly isn't mine or I feel any others who read his posts. I have always found his replies to be firmly based in fact and or accepted methodology, techniques, classifications etc. That is your opinion. True however I am able to accept that having checked his points and find the rest of the world disagrees with me I am wrong. That is what makes me feel his posts are factual and correct. Some it appears can't accept that they can be wrong. In my view that qualifies me for calling him Dr Thick and I don't consider it abuse; it is merely a label he has well and truly earned. It is an abusive label earned or not. It can't be abusive if it's earned. With Malcolm's qualifications and knowledge it can't be earned. Disagreeing with you isn't a sing of "thickness" it is merely disagreeing with you and often showing why you are wrong. Coming from a person who got so upset about what he perceived as a slur on school children who were only able to achieve a single exam result it is also difficult to understand your stance. Why should I be upset? I thought it was a disgraceful slur on kids leaving school with one "O Grade", and I still do. But you don't think it is disgraceful to slur somebody with higher qualifications. As I said a strange stance. The one smart thing he's done in the past few days is leave you to carry the can of repetitive posting which he sensibly abandoned after one day :-)) I am carrying the can for nobody, merely trying to communicate with a NG. The fact you don't see it shows how gullible you can be. Not at all. I think if you check back I started before he did. So all I am doing is continuing my7 tactic. Ad that's not an abusive remark. I didn't think it was however there are times when I think abuse is so much part of your style that you wouldn't know. (and that isn't an abusive remark either.) Do you never feel used? No as I haven't been. What I am doing is purely my own tactic and one I am perfectly comfortable with. Which you have identified as "stupid". NO Angus re-read what I said. It is you who classified it as stupid I merely agreed for the point I was trying to make. To summarise. I post as a free agent to a NG I like. I object to abuse of anyone particularly when I feel it unnecessary. (I feel you dish out FAR more abuse then you receive I know you obviously don't. Perhaps I should draw to your attention when you do.) I will continue to post to news groups as and when I feel fit I will not be told by anyone when I should and shouldn't post. I never have. So your threads urging me not to waste my time weren't an attempt to stop me posting :-)))))) If you respond by huge swathes of cut and pasted abuse then expect me to use the same tactics. (No matter who the abuse is addressed to) So you're the self appointed regulator on this ng :-)) Not at all just telling you what I will do if you respond to me with cut and paste. If you post references for me to read other posts that is fair enough PROVIDED the points I make are actually addressed in those posts. But I'm not interested in addressing your points. SO have the honesty to not refer me to none existent posts. I don't mind if you find you can't cope with the points but I do mind if you pretend to have addressed the points by referring me elsewhere. I will point out to you when this happens. Have I not made that clear? Your words try to the actions don't. If yo aren't interested in my posts don't open them and don't reply. I am forced to assume that if you open the post you were interested but couldn't address the point. However if you didn't reply I would know you weren't interested. If they aren't expect me to draw it to your attention probably in the way that this started.. I'll tell you what. I'll let you off this stupidly manic hook by not copying the current crop of nonsense first, if you do the same. Angus I am not on any hook. If you reply by cut and paste then so will I. But if you post numerous messages that I haven't the time or the inclination to answer I'll refer you to my responses to Dr Thick. No! NO! NO! Angus save the time and don't open them. If you reply by referring me to posts which do not address the point this will all start over again. I'm giving you the opportunity to get out of this silly loop. I'm giving you the opportunity to get out of this silly loop ;-))))) -- Malcolm Kane |
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wrote: In message , writes On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:25:01 +0000, wrote: In message , writes On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:59:44 +0000, wrote: In message , writes On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:33:59 +0000, wrote: In message , Christina Websell writes wrote in message ... In message , writes On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:01:52 +0000, wrote: In message , writes On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:29 +0000, wrote: In message , writes Press Release 19th Feb 2007 SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of miles in hot weather. I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't harmful to animals. Are you suggesting you were wrong? Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, I Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. I really do appreciate how you take him on so bravely. It might be the best thing to do ignore completely now, yes? I am sorry but now is not the time to ignore Angus. At the moment he is trying to coerce/bully/intimidate me into not posting. I'm not trying to intimidate you Malcolm. So you admit to the coercing and bullying :-)))))) Not at all. You seldom post any meaningful responses and just act as a sock puppet for Dr Thick with an endless flow of garbage such as the most recent concerning relocation. You are comparing the relocation of hedgehogs for their own benefit with the transport of pheasant chicks by truck where large numbers die before they reach their destination. That is just plain stupid. Angus I am afraid that translocation is translocation. Calves transported suffer sometimes from "transit fever" or shock pneumonia. Not for their own good. So the risk of suffering and death is acceptable if it is for their own good? Why the animal as being moved doesn't remove the problem. The problem remains. Not at all. The reason behind the removal determines whether it is a problem or not. Suffering and death is a problem if it is for the animals own good. Personally I feel a quick clean death is better than the suffering before the death. You seem to think that because they are being moved "for their own good" they will not suffer. It has been shown that the hedgehogs don't. None? This is not so. See above. Reference please. Back to your old nonsense already. Read about it yourself. I could say the same for you Angus. In a debate/discussion it is reasonable to expect the person making a point to be able to back it up. Having worked with calves in the past I feel I know enough about "transit fever" and translocation. If you wish to try to undermine the points I make by claiming what I say isn't so you need to back it up by references. This I **WILL NOT** do. Ok. I am sorry for all concerned I have suggested that kill filing the pair of us would be best as I intend to keep on for months or years rather than be silenced. Another stupid statement. If people do as you suggest, the effect will be the same as not posting at all. :-)) I see you haven't answered this because you probably realise how stupid you are being by backing yourself into a corner like this :-)) Angus I am in no corner I can and will happily spend years cutting and pasting to your abusive and or cut and paste replies. That is a fact take it or leave it. You're on a manic hook you can't get off - unless I let you off it :-)) Merely your opinion. If you wish to keep posting as you do you are as much on the hook as you think I am. As I have said in the past I have no objection to answering you posts if they are not stupid sniping like the one above. Angus I am not going to change usenet practice just because you don't like it. I'm not asking you to change usenet practice, merely to look at the responses I've given to Dr Thick. Firstly I don't look at posts directed by abusive replies. Secondly as I often point out you don't address the points in your replies to anyone. I'm not particularily interested in your replies so I pass you on to my responses to Dr Thick. I see you are still locked into the abuse situation. Abuse the last refuge of the coward and the bully. If you aren't interested in my replies don't respond to them. Simple. Otherwise if you refer me to other peoples posts then you need to ensure those posts reply to the points. You appear to have snipped what Christina said and find that acceptable. No I haven't . This is a separate post This post contains Christina's message ID and some of her words. They didn't get there by accident. If they hadn't been snipped all her words would be there. I certainly didn't snip anything. Can you account for my point above then? And you, like Malcolm Ogilvie are not capable of arguing your case in a coherent manner without attacking me on a personal basis - to which I shall respond in.kind. What personal attack have I launched? On many occasions you falsely attack me rather than the issue, "intellectually challenged" springs to mind among a host of other denigrating descriptions because I challenge the fake conservationists. Sorry I was merely using your own style but in less abusive terms. I don't think intellectually challenged is an attack merely a statement of what I feel. You MIGHT also notice I generally say words to the effect that "you can't be so..." or "I don't believe you are..." However if you feel it acceptable to call people thick or stupid why do you get so touchy about their replies. I'm frequently called "ignorant" by Dr Thick. Why shouldn't I respond? Ignorance isn't abuse it is merely a state of learning. People begin ignorant of a subject and lose the ignorance as they learn. I for example am totally ignorant of Mandarin Chinese. Perhaps you should set an example by refraining from such tactics. Perhaps Dr Thick should. If you refer to the "ignorant" post don't be so thin skinned it is as I said a state of knowledge. You began the present situation by deciding that you were going to answer all my posts with a one liner which was abusive of the person you choose to call DR Thick. Sure because I was responding to Dr Thick and said to you "See my responses to Dr Thick" You're not Dr Thick's keeper or protector. I certainly wasn't abusing you. I don't think Angus that A NG is any place for such abuse of anybody. I don't consider "thick" being any more abusive than "ignorant". Ignorant is a state of learning yet to be developed thick particularly when applied to those who clearly aren't is intended as abuse. That doesn't also alter the fact that you used your one line abusive reply and pretended to have replied elsewhere. You might have noticed I drew your attention to the fact when you didn't in fact address the point elsewhere. But I'm not particularly interested in what you have to say so I refer you to the main opponent. If you aren't interested don't waste time reading them. You continually use lack of time as an excuse. Kill file me. To refer me to other replies when you don't address the points is just another way of telling lies IMO. I suppose you consider it abusive if I say that IMO you're only a side show. Not at all. However you don't act as if I am a side show. You take the time and trouble to open my posts and cut and paste a reply. I take that as a compliment. So I don't have time to respond to your multiple posts. That is the point you unfailingly do respond. Even if merely with cut and pasted abuse. And Dr Thick abuses me on many occasions which you seem to ignore. IMO he is responding to your continual style of abuse when somebody doesn't agree with you. I give back what I get. Fine I will start counting and periodically post a number for each side. :-))))) As I say above I don't consider a NG as any place for such abuse. But it's not your job to regulate it between others. I'm not I am merely replying to your posts as I feel fit. That is after all allowed in usenet just like snipping is. I responded it kind. I am quite happy that you either respond or not to my posts. If you respond with abusive one liners etc. I will respond in kind. But I'm not abusing you. I'm referring you to my responses to Dr Thick. I didn't say you were I said the response was abusive, Why should I tolerate abuse in any reply no matter to whom it is addressed. Possibly because you're the sock puppet? Would you care if someone abused me? Angus as you should have seen from my posts above I don't like abuse from anyone. However you appear to start a lot of it. Threads which begin by you using abuse in the title for example. As I said I will do a count and see if I feel that you are unjustly treated or if you give more than you take. So why don't you object to Dr Thick's posts? I haven't noticed the amount of abuse from anyone else as I see from you. But don't worry about me, I can look after myself. Angus I have never worried about you. Your a big boy and I am sure quite capable of survival in a debate if you choose to. If you don't respond fair enough. However when I ask a question and you don't respond it is hard to know if you have missed the post or are trying to avoid the post. That's why I responded. Fair enough. Still no excuse for abuse or not answering the points in replies to others. I've covered this. Can you suggest a way in which I will know? By seeing my response that refers you to my responses to Dr thick. You see abuse is habitual with you. In this post I haven't attacked you or abused you but you still can't manage to carry on a civilised discussion without abuse. It's not abuse when it's true. However it patently isn't true as the individual you abuse has plenty of qualifications to prove conventionally he isn't thick and plenty of good factual posts to prove it as well. It is intended by you as abuse. I'm perfectly prepared to discuss any of the points I have pasted regarding my conclusion that Malcolm well deserves the label Dr Thick. To address your point seeing your responses to others. I read all posts to the NG apart from the resident troll whom I have kill filed. Don't bother to ask - you will know the individual well enough. However this does not always address the points I make generally 50% or less. I don't killfile anyone. Why not? It would ensure you didn't waste your valuable time cutting and pasting pointless replies to me. I am quite happy to bring all this nonsense to a close if you are prepared to post sensibly. Angus I feel that all I do is use usenet. You have as does anyone else the choice of responding or not. Which I have been doing and not abusing you. Angus you haven't been not responding. You have been posting cut and paste replies which are abusive to other posters on the NG. I object to abuse of anyone. Not against me it would seem :-)) See above. I will respond if I feel I have a point to make or a question to ask. So will I. Good! However I feel that many times when the question is asked you avoid answering by referring to other posts which as I have pointed out only address the point about 50% of the time. See what I've written above. Nothing above covers the fact that you tell me to look at other replies and find you haven't addressed the points. Don't hide behind a pretence either don't reply or you will find I point out your omissions. If I am met by abuse to myself OR OTHERS I will respond in kind. So are you setting yourself up as this ng's protector? NO I am merely trying to establish posts of a kind that I am prepared to accept and read. But you're not the only one who reads them. They're not exclusively yours to decide. If you don't want to read the killfile me. I would suggest you take your own advice :-)))))) There is no need for the abuse and I will continue to try to oppose it. Most people eventually respond to the "do as you would be done by" treatment. That's why I give back what I get. Fine we will wait and see what the "score" is that will show the validity of the statement. In fact I think this discussion is as a result of such tactics. Or just a sock puppet for Dr Thick? As I pointed out habitual abuse. There has been no abuse from me in this post so why is your reply littered with it? You do act as a sock puppet for Dr Thick. You're too touchy. Angus I have never met Dr Ogilvie unfortunately. I post what I feel is a suitable response to other peoples posts. If you find Malcolm and I say the same thing them it means that we both independently feel or know the same thing. I am sorry if this is a problem for you but there it is. My point above was that I haven't used abuse. Malcolm hasn't for a few days and yet you can't help yourself in comes the abuse. Then you claim you only give what you get. I am also not stupid enough to let this go on for "months or years". Good. I however am if necessary. So you're stupid enough? I am prepared to accept that by your description replying as I have been doing is stupid (why do I now expect that to pop up in some abuse in the future). Good, you're getting there. :-) note that is by your point of view. I am also prepared to carry on my vendetta/campaign call it what you will for years if you wish to carry on your side. I'm not carrying on a vendetta against you. I just not prepared to waste my time answering endless silly questions. That's why I am polite enough to respond rather than ignore you, but then refer you to my responses to Dr Thick. Angus you are using the abuse again. You really can't avoid it can you. Good job I haven't started counting yet isn't it. Be impolite ignore me if you have nothing better to say than to abuse somebody. It's really very simple. Please read this carefully try to understand my point of view and then either respond or not as you feel fit. However I WILL NOT stop posting merely because you would like me to. Nor me. And if I think it is fitting to refer you to my responses to another poster. Providing that the responses address the point. Sadly they often don't. But I'm not particularly interested in your points. I think it's quite in order to refer you to the main line of discussion. Not if the main line of the discussion doesn't address the point. Not if you do it by abusing another group member. I am sorry that I have replied to a large number of posts before this. That is due to the way my news reader presents them to me. I shall not reply to any more of your cut and pastes in this session until I see what sort of a reply ( or not ) I get to this post. Good, so I shan't respond to your until I get an answer. But before all this I would like you to consider the responses I have copied and pasted about Malcolm Ogilvie. He is a PhD and advisor for a leading government agency and yet comes away with some amazing garbage. I am afraid that is only your opinion. It certainly isn't mine or I feel any others who read his posts. I have always found his replies to be firmly based in fact and or accepted methodology, techniques, classifications etc. That is your opinion. True however I am able to accept that having checked his points and find the rest of the world disagrees with me I am wrong. That is what makes me feel his posts are factual and correct. Some it appears can't accept that they can be wrong. In my view that qualifies me for calling him Dr Thick and I don't consider it abuse; it is merely a label he has well and truly earned. It is an abusive label earned or not. It can't be abusive if it's earned. With Malcolm's qualifications and knowledge it can't be earned. Disagreeing with you isn't a sing of "thickness" it is merely disagreeing with you and often showing why you are wrong. Coming from a person who got so upset about what he perceived as a slur on school children who were only able to achieve a single exam result it is also difficult to understand your stance. Why should I be upset? I thought it was a disgraceful slur on kids leaving school with one "O Grade", and I still do. But you don't think it is disgraceful to slur somebody with higher qualifications. As I said a strange stance. The one smart thing he's done in the past few days is leave you to carry the can of repetitive posting which he sensibly abandoned after one day :-)) I am carrying the can for nobody, merely trying to communicate with a NG. The fact you don't see it shows how gullible you can be. Not at all. I think if you check back I started before he did. So all I am doing is continuing my7 tactic. Ad that's not an abusive remark. I didn't think it was however there are times when I think abuse is so much part of your style that you wouldn't know. (and that isn't an abusive remark either.) Do you never feel used? No as I haven't been. What I am doing is purely my own tactic and one I am perfectly comfortable with. Which you have identified as "stupid". NO Angus re-read what I said. It is you who classified it as stupid I merely agreed for the point I was trying to make. To summarise. I post as a free agent to a NG I like. I object to abuse of anyone particularly when I feel it unnecessary. (I feel you dish out FAR more abuse then you receive I know you obviously don't. Perhaps I should draw to your attention when you do.) I will continue to post to news groups as and when I feel fit I will not be told by anyone when I should and shouldn't post. I never have. So your threads urging me not to waste my time weren't an attempt to stop me posting :-)))))) If you respond by huge swathes of cut and pasted abuse then expect me to use the same tactics. (No matter who the abuse is addressed to) So you're the self appointed regulator on this ng :-)) Not at all just telling you what I will do if you respond to me with cut and paste. If you post references for me to read other posts that is fair enough PROVIDED the points I make are actually addressed in those posts. But I'm not interested in addressing your points. SO have the honesty to not refer me to none existent posts. I don't mind if you find you can't cope with the points but I do mind if you pretend to have addressed the points by referring me elsewhere. I will point out to you when this happens. Have I not made that clear? Your words try to the actions don't. If yo aren't interested in my posts don't open them and don't reply. I am forced to assume that if you open the post you were interested but couldn't address the point. However if you didn't reply I would know you weren't interested. If they aren't expect me to draw it to your attention probably in the way that this started.. I'll tell you what. I'll let you off this stupidly manic hook by not copying the current crop of nonsense first, if you do the same. Angus I am not on any hook. If you reply by cut and paste then so will I. But if you post numerous messages that I haven't the time or the inclination to answer I'll refer you to my responses to Dr Thick. No! NO! NO! Angus save the time and don't open them. If you reply by referring me to posts which do not address the point this will all start over again. I'm giving you the opportunity to get out of this silly loop. I'm giving you the opportunity to get out of this silly loop ;-))))) Malcolm. I'm not going to indulge you in responding to this nonsense on a line by line basis. Truth is, I'm just not interested in what you have to say. In the years you have been contributing to this ng, I cannot recall you ever posting anything of any value on your own account. All you do, like Mabbett, is pick a sentence of mine and post a response which is often, if not usually, out of context. So the problem I have is that I'm not interested in what you have to say but I'm not going to let you away with derogatory comments without responding. Whether I do so by referring you to current posts to Dr Thick is, quite frankly, none of your business. I don't say what you put in your posts and you shouldn't dictate what I put in mine. That's the very bullying you're condensing me for. It is quite clear from the opinion of others that they are sick to death of this stupid behaviour, so take your own advice and stop responding to my posts. For the sake of all the others (I don't know who cross posted this in the first place) I am breaking this loop and shall not respond to any more of your posts in the current thread. But I do reserve the right to call Malcolm Ogilvie whatever I fee is justified without your interference. I hope you've got this loud and clear. Angus Macmillan www.roots-of-blood.org.uk www.killhunting.org www.con-servation.org.uk All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed; Second, it is violently opposed; and Third, it is accepted as self-evident. -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) |
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On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:05:02 -0000, "Christina Websell"
wrote: wrote in message ... In message , writes On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:01:52 +0000, wrote: In message , writes On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:38:29 +0000, wrote: In message , writes Press Release 19th Feb 2007 SHAMEFUL ADMISSION BY SCOTLAND'S SHOOTING INDUSTRY LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS CONDEMNS TREATMENT OF GAME BIRDS The Game Conservancy Trust has admitted the welfare of many game birds was jeopardised this season by transporting the birds hundreds of miles in hot weather. I was sure you had always held the view that translocation wasn't harmful to animals. Are you suggesting you were wrong? Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. Since you've decided not to be sensible and discontinue posting your rubbish, I Angus I do not consider giving in to attempts to brow beat, bully or intimidate me into silence sensible. So in your terms no I haven't decided to be sensible - which I assumes means I haven't given in to your attempts to silence me ;-)))) I notice however your resorting to abuse is getting greater. Surely you realise abuse is the last refuge of the coward and the bully. I really do appreciate how you take him on so bravely. It might be the best thing to do ignore completely now, yes? Tina Funny how the pro hunt nuts stick together, especially those of you trying to pretend not to be pro hunt nuts! I doubt you have anyone fooled, only yourselves! # -- Disclaimer Pete has taken all reasonable care to ensure that pages published by him were accurate on the date of publication or last modification. Other pages which may be linked or which Pete may have published are in a personal capacity. Pete takes no responsibility for the consequences of error or for any loss or damage suffered by users of any of the information published on any of these pages, and such information does not form any basis of a contract with readers or users of it. It is in the nature of Usenet & Web sites, that much of the information is experimental or constantly changing, that information published may be for test purposes only, may be out of date, or may be the personal opinion of the author. Readers should verify information gained from the Web/Usenet with the appropriate authorities before relying on it. Should you no longer wish to read this material or content, please use your newsreaders kill filter. |
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On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:28:06 +0000, Sacha
wrote: Please stop posting all this to uk.rec.gardening. We are gardeners, not hunters and this cross posting does your cause more harm than good, IMO, because all it does is annoy people. Bit like your post. Sod off! -- Disclaimer Pete has taken all reasonable care to ensure that pages published by him were accurate on the date of publication or last modification. Other pages which may be linked or which Pete may have published are in a personal capacity. Pete takes no responsibility for the consequences of error or for any loss or damage suffered by users of any of the information published on any of these pages, and such information does not form any basis of a contract with readers or users of it. It is in the nature of Usenet & Web sites, that much of the information is experimental or constantly changing, that information published may be for test purposes only, may be out of date, or may be the personal opinion of the author. Readers should verify information gained from the Web/Usenet with the appropriate authorities before relying on it. Should you no longer wish to read this material or content, please use your newsreaders kill filter. |
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"Christina Websell" wrote in message ... snip I really do appreciate how you take him on so bravely. 'Bravely'? Obsessively, more like it. |
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