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Plant identify
I am trying to identify a perrenial.
It has most of the characteristics of a hardy geranium, but having checked specialist growers I do not recognise it there. The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6" tall x ~9-12" wide initially, and the flowers are not of the cranesbill type. I have seen it growing wild on the coast. Any suggestions? -- Jim S Tyneside UK http://www.jimscott.co.uk |
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Scott writes I am trying to identify a perrenial. It has most of the characteristics of a hardy geranium, but having checked specialist growers I do not recognise it there. The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6" tall x ~9-12" wide initially, and the flowers are not of the cranesbill type. I have seen it growing wild on the coast. Any suggestions? It's a bit on the small size, but is it a Common Mallow (Malva sylvestris)? The native(ish) form has pale red to rose to lilac flowers, but the Mediterranean form has magenta flowers, and might be found as an escape. The leaves of mallows and geraniums can look very similar; it took me a few years to train myself to tell them apart, and that's assuming I don't come across anything exotic. The distinguishing mark of mallows (including hibiscuses, abutilons and the like) is the fusion of the filaments of the stamens into a column enclosing the style, generally with the free portion of the filaments and the anthers clustered at the top of the column. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley http://www.malvaceae.info/General/Malva/gallery.html http://www.malvaceae.info/General/Lavatera/gallery.html |
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Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote in
: In message . de, Jim Scott writes I am trying to identify a perrenial. It has most of the characteristics of a hardy geranium, but having checked specialist growers I do not recognise it there. The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6" tall x ~9-12" wide initially, and the flowers are not of the cranesbill type. I have seen it growing wild on the coast. Any suggestions? It's a bit on the small size, but is it a Common Mallow (Malva sylvestris)? The native(ish) form has pale red to rose to lilac flowers, but the Mediterranean form has magenta flowers, and might be found as an escape. The leaves of mallows and geraniums can look very similar; it took me a few years to train myself to tell them apart, and that's assuming I don't come across anything exotic. The distinguishing mark of mallows (including hibiscuses, abutilons and the like) is the fusion of the filaments of the stamens into a column enclosing the style, generally with the free portion of the filaments and the anthers clustered at the top of the column. Possibly. I saw a blue geranium on the banks of The Tyne today, so perhaps it was that after all. BTW your links don't work -- Jim S Tyneside UK http://www.jimscott.co.uk |
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Sacha wrote in
. uk: On 19/6/07 14:04, in article , "Jim Scott" wrote: I am trying to identify a perrenial. It has most of the characteristics of a hardy geranium, but having checked specialist growers I do not recognise it there. The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6" tall x ~9-12" wide initially, and the flowers are not of the cranesbill type. I have seen it growing wild on the coast. Any suggestions? This site may help: http://www.wildflowers.co.uk/acatalo...owers_Coastal_ 5.ht ml Thanks, but I went through Keble Martin before I posted. As I said to Stewart, perhaps it is a geranium after all. -- Jim S Tyneside UK http://www.jimscott.co.uk |
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Scott writes Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote in : In message . de, Jim Scott writes I am trying to identify a perrenial. It has most of the characteristics of a hardy geranium, but having checked specialist growers I do not recognise it there. The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6" tall x ~9-12" wide initially, and the flowers are not of the cranesbill type. I have seen it growing wild on the coast. Any suggestions? It's a bit on the small size, but is it a Common Mallow (Malva sylvestris)? The native(ish) form has pale red to rose to lilac flowers, but the Mediterranean form has magenta flowers, and might be found as an escape. The leaves of mallows and geraniums can look very similar; it took me a few years to train myself to tell them apart, and that's assuming I don't come across anything exotic. The distinguishing mark of mallows (including hibiscuses, abutilons and the like) is the fusion of the filaments of the stamens into a column enclosing the style, generally with the free portion of the filaments and the anthers clustered at the top of the column. Possibly. I saw a blue geranium on the banks of The Tyne today, so perhaps it was that after all. The wild blue-flowered species are Geranium pratense (Meadow Cranesbill) and Geranium sylvaticum (Wood Cranesbill). But you would have found these in Keble-Martin. (I photographed one of these as Allenback back in 2000.) There are other blue-flowered forms among the cultivars and exotics, such as Geranium 'Johnson's Blue', Geranium wallichianum 'Buxton's Variety' and Geranium renardii (rather purplish) When you said that the flowers were not of the cranesbill type, I assumed you meant a difference other than colour. BTW your links don't work Sorry, typo. Should have been "Genera", not "General". -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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: In message . de, Jim Scott writes Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote in : In message . de, Jim Scott writes I am trying to identify a perrenial. It has most of the characteristics of a hardy geranium, but having checked specialist growers I do not recognise it there. The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6" tall x ~9-12" wide initially, and the flowers are not of the cranesbill type. I have seen it growing wild on the coast. Any suggestions? It's a bit on the small size, but is it a Common Mallow (Malva sylvestris)? The native(ish) form has pale red to rose to lilac flowers, but the Mediterranean form has magenta flowers, and might be found as an escape. The leaves of mallows and geraniums can look very similar; it took me a few years to train myself to tell them apart, and that's assuming I don't come across anything exotic. The distinguishing mark of mallows (including hibiscuses, abutilons and the like) is the fusion of the filaments of the stamens into a column enclosing the style, generally with the free portion of the filaments and the anthers clustered at the top of the column. Possibly. I saw a blue geranium on the banks of The Tyne today, so perhaps it was that after all. The wild blue-flowered species are Geranium pratense (Meadow Cranesbill) and Geranium sylvaticum (Wood Cranesbill). But you would have found these in Keble-Martin. (I photographed one of these as Allenback back in 2000.) There are other blue-flowered forms among the cultivars and exotics, such as Geranium 'Johnson's Blue', Geranium wallichianum 'Buxton's Variety' and Geranium renardii (rather purplish) When you said that the flowers were not of the cranesbill type, I assumed you meant a difference other than colour. I did, but I cannot come up with anything else of that habit in my search. I am still not convinced that I have spotted anything with an intense enough blue to suggest I've found what I'm looking for. I gave my daughter my big illustrated book of plants and people are beginning to worry about this strange old geezer peering into their gardens. Google has not come up with a search I can do by: colour, flower size, plant size, location etc. -- Jim S Tyneside UK http://www.jimscott.co.uk |
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Jim Scott writes
I am trying to identify a perrenial. It has most of the characteristics of a hardy geranium, but having checked specialist growers I do not recognise it there. The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6" tall x ~9-12" wide initially, and the flowers are not of the cranesbill type. I have seen it growing wild on the coast. Any suggestions? Can you give us any idea of what the flowers *are* like? In what way are they unlike a cranesbill? So are you meaning a fairly small plant, with quite deeply divided leaves of overall roughly circular outline, possibly gently hairy but definitely not prickly or spiny? -- Kay |
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: Jim Scott writes I am trying to identify a perrenial. It has most of the characteristics of a hardy geranium, but having checked specialist growers I do not recognise it there. The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6" tall x ~9-12" wide initially, and the flowers are not of the cranesbill type. I have seen it growing wild on the coast. Any suggestions? Can you give us any idea of what the flowers *are* like? In what way are they unlike a cranesbill? So are you meaning a fairly small plant, with quite deeply divided leaves of overall roughly circular outline, possibly gently hairy but definitely not prickly or spiny? If I knew that I wouldn't be asking :o? If I saw it or a photo of it I would know, but first I need to know where to look. The residents of this town are beginning to wonder about this peeping tom outside their gardens. -- Jim S Tyneside UK http://www.jimscott.co.uk |
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"Jim Scott" wrote in message mas.de... Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote in : In message . de, Jim Scott writes Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote in : In message . de, Jim Scott writes I am trying to identify a perrenial. It has most of the characteristics of a hardy geranium, but having checked specialist growers I do not recognise it there. The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6" tall x ~9-12" wide initially, and the flowers are not of the cranesbill type. I have seen it growing wild on the coast. Any suggestions? It's a bit on the small size, but is it a Common Mallow (Malva sylvestris)? The native(ish) form has pale red to rose to lilac flowers, but the Mediterranean form has magenta flowers, and might be found as an escape. The leaves of mallows and geraniums can look very similar; it took me a few years to train myself to tell them apart, and that's assuming I don't come across anything exotic. The distinguishing mark of mallows (including hibiscuses, abutilons and the like) is the fusion of the filaments of the stamens into a column enclosing the style, generally with the free portion of the filaments and the anthers clustered at the top of the column. Possibly. I saw a blue geranium on the banks of The Tyne today, so perhaps it was that after all. The wild blue-flowered species are Geranium pratense (Meadow Cranesbill) and Geranium sylvaticum (Wood Cranesbill). But you would have found these in Keble-Martin. (I photographed one of these as Allenback back in 2000.) There are other blue-flowered forms among the cultivars and exotics, such as Geranium 'Johnson's Blue', Geranium wallichianum 'Buxton's Variety' and Geranium renardii (rather purplish) When you said that the flowers were not of the cranesbill type, I assumed you meant a difference other than colour. I did, but I cannot come up with anything else of that habit in my search. I am still not convinced that I have spotted anything with an intense enough blue to suggest I've found what I'm looking for. I gave my daughter my big illustrated book of plants and people are beginning to worry about this strange old geezer peering into their gardens. Google has not come up with a search I can do by: colour, flower size, plant size, location etc. -- Jim S Tyneside UK http://www.jimscott.co.uk You said near the coast, most obvious blue flower there is sheep bit scabious, but the flowers are nothing like geranium! then there are sea asters, various campanulas, vinca minor and chicory, this year it would be difficult to work on flowering periods as everything seems to be early. -- Charlie, gardening in Cornwall. http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of National Plant Collections of Clematis viticella (cvs) and Lapageria rosea |
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K wrote in : Jim Scott writes I am trying to identify a perrenial. It has most of the characteristics of a hardy geranium, but having checked specialist growers I do not recognise it there. The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6" tall x ~9-12" wide initially, and the flowers are not of the cranesbill type. I have seen it growing wild on the coast. Any suggestions? Can you give us any idea of what the flowers *are* like? In what way are they unlike a cranesbill? So are you meaning a fairly small plant, with quite deeply divided leaves of overall roughly circular outline, possibly gently hairy but definitely not prickly or spiny? If I knew that I wouldn't be asking :o? If I saw it or a photo of it I would know, but first I need to know where to look. The residents of this town are beginning to wonder about this peeping tom outside their gardens. You've seen it growing wild on the coast, and you saw enough of it to say it was not of cranesbill type. What I'm trying to get at is in what way was it not of cranesbill type - what led you to feel that? Your other posts suggest that you know enough of flowers for it not to be sufficiently different to be, say, a lupin or a viper's bugloss, but what was the difference? Too bright a blue/too pale a blue? Petals looked too stiff? Flower too large/too small? Flowers single to a stem/ too many to a stem? Too blue for such a small plant? -- Kay |
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writes "Jim Scott" wrote in message emas.de... Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote in : In message . de, Jim Scott writes Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote in : In message . de, Jim Scott writes I am trying to identify a perrenial. It has most of the characteristics of a hardy geranium, but having checked specialist growers I do not recognise it there. The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6" tall x ~9-12" wide initially, and the flowers are not of the cranesbill type. I have seen it growing wild on the coast. Any suggestions? It's a bit on the small size, but is it a Common Mallow (Malva sylvestris)? The native(ish) form has pale red to rose to lilac flowers, but the Mediterranean form has magenta flowers, and might be found as an escape. The leaves of mallows and geraniums can look very similar; it took me a few years to train myself to tell them apart, and that's assuming I don't come across anything exotic. The distinguishing mark of mallows (including hibiscuses, abutilons and the like) is the fusion of the filaments of the stamens into a column enclosing the style, generally with the free portion of the filaments and the anthers clustered at the top of the column. Possibly. I saw a blue geranium on the banks of The Tyne today, so perhaps it was that after all. The wild blue-flowered species are Geranium pratense (Meadow Cranesbill) and Geranium sylvaticum (Wood Cranesbill). But you would have found these in Keble-Martin. (I photographed one of these as Allenback back in 2000.) There are other blue-flowered forms among the cultivars and exotics, such as Geranium 'Johnson's Blue', Geranium wallichianum 'Buxton's Variety' and Geranium renardii (rather purplish) When you said that the flowers were not of the cranesbill type, I assumed you meant a difference other than colour. I did, but I cannot come up with anything else of that habit in my search. I am still not convinced that I have spotted anything with an intense enough blue to suggest I've found what I'm looking for. I gave my daughter my big illustrated book of plants and people are beginning to worry about this strange old geezer peering into their gardens. Google has not come up with a search I can do by: colour, flower size, plant size, location etc. -- Jim S Tyneside UK http://www.jimscott.co.uk You said near the coast, most obvious blue flower there is sheep bit scabious, but the flowers are nothing like geranium! then there are sea asters, various campanulas, vinca minor and chicory, this year it would be difficult to work on flowering periods as everything seems to be early. But, if I'm not mistaken, none of these have foliage that looks anything like a geranium either. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote in
: In message , Charlie Pridham writes "Jim Scott" wrote in message temas.de... Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote in : In message . de, Jim Scott writes Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote in : In message . de, Jim Scott writes I am trying to identify a perrenial. It has most of the characteristics of a hardy geranium, but having checked specialist growers I do not recognise it there. The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6" tall x ~9-12" wide initially, and the flowers are not of the cranesbill type. I have seen it growing wild on the coast. Any suggestions? It's a bit on the small size, but is it a Common Mallow (Malva sylvestris)? The native(ish) form has pale red to rose to lilac flowers, but the Mediterranean form has magenta flowers, and might be found as an escape. The leaves of mallows and geraniums can look very similar; it took me a few years to train myself to tell them apart, and that's assuming I don't come across anything exotic. The distinguishing mark of mallows (including hibiscuses, abutilons and the like) is the fusion of the filaments of the stamens into a column enclosing the style, generally with the free portion of the filaments and the anthers clustered at the top of the column. Possibly. I saw a blue geranium on the banks of The Tyne today, so perhaps it was that after all. The wild blue-flowered species are Geranium pratense (Meadow Cranesbill) and Geranium sylvaticum (Wood Cranesbill). But you would have found these in Keble-Martin. (I photographed one of these as Allenback back in 2000.) There are other blue-flowered forms among the cultivars and exotics, such as Geranium 'Johnson's Blue', Geranium wallichianum 'Buxton's Variety' and Geranium renardii (rather purplish) When you said that the flowers were not of the cranesbill type, I assumed you meant a difference other than colour. I did, but I cannot come up with anything else of that habit in my search. I am still not convinced that I have spotted anything with an intense enough blue to suggest I've found what I'm looking for. I gave my daughter my big illustrated book of plants and people are beginning to worry about this strange old geezer peering into their gardens. Google has not come up with a search I can do by: colour, flower size, plant size, location etc. -- Jim S Tyneside UK http://www.jimscott.co.uk You said near the coast, most obvious blue flower there is sheep bit scabious, but the flowers are nothing like geranium! then there are sea asters, various campanulas, vinca minor and chicory, this year it would be difficult to work on flowering periods as everything seems to be early. But, if I'm not mistaken, none of these have foliage that looks anything like a geranium either. Never said anything about foliage. I might be wrong, but all I said was that the size and shape of the whole plant is similar to that of one of the low growing hardy geraniums. -- Jim S Tyneside UK http://www.jimscott.co.uk |
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@scarboro.demon.co.uk: Jim Scott writes K wrote in : Jim Scott writes I am trying to identify a perrenial. It has most of the characteristics of a hardy geranium, but having checked specialist growers I do not recognise it there. The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6" tall x ~9-12" wide initially, and the flowers are not of the cranesbill type. I have seen it growing wild on the coast. Any suggestions? Can you give us any idea of what the flowers *are* like? In what way are they unlike a cranesbill? So are you meaning a fairly small plant, with quite deeply divided leaves of overall roughly circular outline, possibly gently hairy but definitely not prickly or spiny? If I knew that I wouldn't be asking :o? If I saw it or a photo of it I would know, but first I need to know where to look. The residents of this town are beginning to wonder about this peeping tom outside their gardens. You've seen it growing wild on the coast, and you saw enough of it to say it was not of cranesbill type. What I'm trying to get at is in what way was it not of cranesbill type - what led you to feel that? Your other posts suggest that you know enough of flowers for it not to be sufficiently different to be, say, a lupin or a viper's bugloss, but what was the difference? Too bright a blue/too pale a blue? Petals looked too stiff? Flower too large/too small? Flowers single to a stem/ too many to a stem? Too blue for such a small plant? None of the spikey seed heads. -- Jim S Tyneside UK http://www.jimscott.co.uk |
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Scott writes Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote in : In message , Charlie Pridham writes "Jim Scott" wrote in message atemas.de... Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote in : In message . de, Jim Scott writes Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote in : In message . de, Jim Scott writes I am trying to identify a perrenial. It has most of the characteristics of a hardy geranium, but having checked specialist growers I do not recognise it there. The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6" tall x ~9-12" wide initially, and the flowers are not of the cranesbill type. I have seen it growing wild on the coast. Any suggestions? It's a bit on the small size, but is it a Common Mallow (Malva sylvestris)? The native(ish) form has pale red to rose to lilac flowers, but the Mediterranean form has magenta flowers, and might be found as an escape. The leaves of mallows and geraniums can look very similar; it took me a few years to train myself to tell them apart, and that's assuming I don't come across anything exotic. The distinguishing mark of mallows (including hibiscuses, abutilons and the like) is the fusion of the filaments of the stamens into a column enclosing the style, generally with the free portion of the filaments and the anthers clustered at the top of the column. Possibly. I saw a blue geranium on the banks of The Tyne today, so perhaps it was that after all. The wild blue-flowered species are Geranium pratense (Meadow Cranesbill) and Geranium sylvaticum (Wood Cranesbill). But you would have found these in Keble-Martin. (I photographed one of these as Allenback back in 2000.) There are other blue-flowered forms among the cultivars and exotics, such as Geranium 'Johnson's Blue', Geranium wallichianum 'Buxton's Variety' and Geranium renardii (rather purplish) When you said that the flowers were not of the cranesbill type, I assumed you meant a difference other than colour. I did, but I cannot come up with anything else of that habit in my search. I am still not convinced that I have spotted anything with an intense enough blue to suggest I've found what I'm looking for. I gave my daughter my big illustrated book of plants and people are beginning to worry about this strange old geezer peering into their gardens. Google has not come up with a search I can do by: colour, flower size, plant size, location etc. -- Jim S Tyneside UK http://www.jimscott.co.uk You said near the coast, most obvious blue flower there is sheep bit scabious, but the flowers are nothing like geranium! then there are sea asters, various campanulas, vinca minor and chicory, this year it would be difficult to work on flowering periods as everything seems to be early. But, if I'm not mistaken, none of these have foliage that looks anything like a geranium either. Never said anything about foliage. I might be wrong, but all I said was that the size and shape of the whole plant is similar to that of one of the low growing hardy geraniums. Your original post said "Most of the characteristics of a hardy geranium" ... "flowers are not of the cranesbill type". I think you'll find that most of us interpreted that as meaning that it looked like a geranium (which includes the form of the foliage) except for the flowers. About all I now know of the plant is that it is herbaceous, does not have erect flowering spikes, and has blue-purple flowers. Can you offer us any more details? -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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