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A tree has fallen on my garden!
My neighbour has a lovely big black poplar. Last night a big old
branch dropped out of hte sky and squashed my garden: http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ The inside of the branch is really rotten: http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ The pale stuff is nice strong wood, the darker brown is just squishy goo. He's a decent chap and immediately accepted responsibility for clearing up. What I'm worried about is how safe the tree is. There are plenty more big branches that could fall on me or my kids, and I'm concerned that the rot might be in other branches. Any tree experts in the house? What needs to be done now? Thanks John |
A tree has fallen on my garden!
wrote in message oups.com... My neighbour has a lovely big black poplar. Last night a big old branch dropped out of hte sky and squashed my garden: http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ The inside of the branch is really rotten: http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ The pale stuff is nice strong wood, the darker brown is just squishy goo. He's a decent chap and immediately accepted responsibility for clearing up. What I'm worried about is how safe the tree is. There are plenty more big branches that could fall on me or my kids, and I'm concerned that the rot might be in other branches. Any tree experts in the house? What needs to be done now? Thanks John Suggest to your neighbour that he needs a tree expert to look at it, if he does not agree say you would be happier if one did and contact the council who will point you in the right direction. It is a lovely old tree but if its on the way out there is no point hoping it will get better so dealing with it sooner rather than later would be sensible. It may be possible to pollard it lower and so still have some tree left. -- Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of National collections of Clematis viticella and Lapageria rosea cultivars |
A tree has fallen on my garden!
On 20 Sep, 10:06, "Charlie Pridham"
wrote: wrote in message oups.com... My neighbour has a lovely big black poplar. Last night a big old branch dropped out of hte sky and squashed my garden: http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ The inside of the branch is really rotten: http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ The pale stuff is nice strong wood, the darker brown is just squishy goo. He's a decent chap and immediately accepted responsibility for clearing up. What I'm worried about is how safe the tree is. There are plenty more big branches that could fall on me or my kids, and I'm concerned that the rot might be in other branches. Any tree experts in the house? What needs to be done now? Thanks John Suggest to your neighbour that he needs a tree expert to look at it, if he does not agree say you would be happier if one did and contact the council who will point you in the right direction. It is a lovely old tree but if its on the way out there is no point hoping it will get better so dealing with it sooner rather than later would be sensible. It may be possible to pollard it lower and so still have some tree left. -- Charlie, Gardening in Cornwallhttp://www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of National collections of Clematis viticella and Lapageria rosea cultivars There's no dispute, I think he's as keen to do the right thing as I am, but I guess we'll see the colour of his money when the quotes start coming in! Access is a nightmare, everything has to go up steps and through the house! |
A tree has fallen on my garden!
On 20 Sep, 09:56, "Uncle Marvo"
wrote: In reply to ) who wrote this in . com, I, Marvo, say : My neighbour has a lovely big black poplar. Last night a big old branch dropped out of hte sky and squashed my garden: http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ The inside of the branch is really rotten: http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ The pale stuff is nice strong wood, the darker brown is just squishy goo. He's a decent chap and immediately accepted responsibility for clearing up. What I'm worried about is how safe the tree is. There are plenty more big branches that could fall on me or my kids, and I'm concerned that the rot might be in other branches. Any tree experts in the house? What needs to be done now? Contact the council. They deal with dangerous trees, and it costs nothing. Well, it costs someone, but it won't cost *you*. Do you suggest this even though it's his tree on private property? I thought it would be a private matter. |
A tree has fallen on my garden!
On 20 Sep, 10:34, "Uncle Marvo"
wrote: In reply to ) who wrote this in . com, I, Marvo, say : On 20 Sep, 09:56, "Uncle Marvo" wrote: In reply to ) who wrote this in . com, I, Marvo, say : My neighbour has a lovely big black poplar. Last night a big old branch dropped out of hte sky and squashed my garden: http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ The inside of the branch is really rotten: http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ The pale stuff is nice strong wood, the darker brown is just squishy goo. He's a decent chap and immediately accepted responsibility for clearing up. What I'm worried about is how safe the tree is. There are plenty more big branches that could fall on me or my kids, and I'm concerned that the rot might be in other branches. Any tree experts in the house? What needs to be done now? Contact the council. They deal with dangerous trees, and it costs nothing. Well, it costs someone, but it won't cost *you*. Do you suggest this even though it's his tree on private property? I thought it would be a private matter. They have tree people who deal with this stuff. Well *our* one does, the trees in question were on someone else's land. Most are. If matey is willing to get it dealt with anyway, then obviously don't bother. Our local council, Hackney, doesn't have anything other than TPOs on it's website. I suspect they would not get involved unless it was in a public space. |
A tree has fallen on my garden!
In reply to ) who wrote this in
, I, Marvo, say : On 20 Sep, 09:56, "Uncle Marvo" wrote: In reply to ) who wrote this in . com, I, Marvo, say : My neighbour has a lovely big black poplar. Last night a big old branch dropped out of hte sky and squashed my garden: http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ The inside of the branch is really rotten: http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ The pale stuff is nice strong wood, the darker brown is just squishy goo. He's a decent chap and immediately accepted responsibility for clearing up. What I'm worried about is how safe the tree is. There are plenty more big branches that could fall on me or my kids, and I'm concerned that the rot might be in other branches. Any tree experts in the house? What needs to be done now? Contact the council. They deal with dangerous trees, and it costs nothing. Well, it costs someone, but it won't cost *you*. Do you suggest this even though it's his tree on private property? I thought it would be a private matter. They have tree people who deal with this stuff. Well *our* one does, the trees in question were on someone else's land. Most are. If matey is willing to get it dealt with anyway, then obviously don't bother. |
A tree has fallen on my garden!
wrote in message oups.com... My neighbour has a lovely big black poplar. Last night a big old branch dropped out of hte sky and squashed my garden: The poplar family is notorious for falling branches, for some reason they become brittle as they age. If it were mine I'd cut off all the large branches and perhaps even the trunk. It's a shame but a person might be standing under the next one and it might be the owner! Mary |
A tree has fallen on my garden!
I always thought poplars were the worst tree to have near a house as
they invariably made for the drains and also caused a lot of trouble with their roots? janet -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
A tree has fallen on my garden!
"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message ... I always thought poplars were the worst tree to have near a house as they invariably made for the drains and also caused a lot of trouble with their roots? That's always said but we had two Lombardy poplars only yards from our house and had no problem with the roots. That's just our experience, of course, it doesn't mean that the saying isn't true. One of ours blew down during a 90mph wind years ago. It's roots did spread very far out - but in all directions, they weren't far under the surface. Next door's lawn was uprooted :-( Luckily the branches were caught in the fork of a pear tree at the other side of the garden so we could still get underneath to deal with it. Mary janet -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
A tree has fallen on my garden!
wrote in message oups.com... My neighbour has a lovely big black poplar. Last night a big old branch dropped out of hte sky and squashed my garden: http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ The inside of the branch is really rotten: http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ The pale stuff is nice strong wood, the darker brown is just squishy goo. He's a decent chap and immediately accepted responsibility for clearing up. What I'm worried about is how safe the tree is. There are plenty more big branches that could fall on me or my kids, and I'm concerned that the rot might be in other branches. Any tree experts in the house? What needs to be done now? Change the setting. 50 is way too much. :-)) Steve |
A tree has fallen on my garden!
shazzbat wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... My neighbour has a lovely big black poplar. Last night a big old branch dropped out of hte sky and squashed my garden: http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ The inside of the branch is really rotten: http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ The pale stuff is nice strong wood, the darker brown is just squishy goo. He's a decent chap and immediately accepted responsibility for clearing up. What I'm worried about is how safe the tree is. There are plenty more big branches that could fall on me or my kids, and I'm concerned that the rot might be in other branches. Any tree experts in the house? What needs to be done now? Change the setting. 50 is way too much. :-)) Steve Get your neighbour to contact his insurance company, they may well be happy to pay for someone to come out and declare it safe of not. |
A tree has fallen on my garden!
On 20 Sep, 12:15, "Mary Fisher" wrote:
"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message ... I always thought poplars were the worst tree to have near a house as they invariably made for the drains and also caused a lot of trouble with their roots? That's always said but we had two Lombardy poplars only yards from our house and had no problem with the roots. That's just our experience, of course, it doesn't mean that the saying isn't true. One of ours blew down during a 90mph wind years ago. It's roots did spread very far out - but in all directions, they weren't far under the surface. Next door's lawn was uprooted :-( Luckily the branches were caught in the fork of a pear tree at the other side of the garden so we could still get underneath to deal with it. There's a row of these poplars along the bottom of our gardens. The story is that there was a stream running aloing there and it was market gardens before they built on it. The trees are known to be thirsty and were put there deliberately to drain the ground - quite progressive thinking for Victorian builders. 100+ years later they are still there. We had boreholes sunk next to our house and the roots have not invaded, but they are definitely on the higher-risk list for insurance purposes. |
A tree has fallen on my garden!
"aboleth" wrote in message ps.com... On 20 Sep, 12:15, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Janet Tweedy" wrote in message ... I always thought poplars were the worst tree to have near a house as they invariably made for the drains and also caused a lot of trouble with their roots? That's always said but we had two Lombardy poplars only yards from our house and had no problem with the roots. That's just our experience, of course, it doesn't mean that the saying isn't true. One of ours blew down during a 90mph wind years ago. It's roots did spread very far out - but in all directions, they weren't far under the surface. Next door's lawn was uprooted :-( Luckily the branches were caught in the fork of a pear tree at the other side of the garden so we could still get underneath to deal with it. There's a row of these poplars along the bottom of our gardens. The story is that there was a stream running aloing there and it was market gardens before they built on it. The trees are known to be thirsty and were put there deliberately to drain the ground - quite progressive thinking for Victorian builders. Why shouldn't Victorian builders be progressive? Many of the houses they built are still standing and desirable, the same can't be said for many modern ones. And if there were market gardens on the ground the land wouldn't need draining - unless the gardeners were growing rice. Most long rows of poplars are planted as windbreaks rather than to reduce water levels. 100+ years later they are still there. We had boreholes sunk next to our house and the roots have not invaded, but they are definitely on the higher-risk list for insurance purposes. That just wshows how unenlightened are insurance companies. They work on legend rather than research. I've just heard about a house built of wool which has had to be demolished because it's a fire hazard! Wool won't burn, firemen's suits are - or were - made from wool. At the weekend I was wearing felted wool gloves to deal with my fire - the same ones used by blacksmiths. There are too many myths around in our 'progressive' age. Mary |
A tree has fallen on my garden!
"Mary Fisher" wrote in message t... "aboleth" wrote in message ps.com... On 20 Sep, 12:15, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Janet Tweedy" wrote in message ... That just wshows how unenlightened are insurance companies. They work on legend rather than research. I've just heard about a house built of wool which has had to be demolished because it's a fire hazard! Wool won't burn, firemen's suits are - or were - made from wool. At the weekend I was wearing felted wool gloves to deal with my fire - the same ones used by blacksmiths. There are too many myths around in our 'progressive' age. Mary I do not know the particular circumstances of the wool house, but your statement that wool will not burn is only partially true, raw wool is highly flammable and burns with intense heat and was considered a dangerous cargo. once washed and fulled or felted then it is indeed fire retardant. -- Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of National collections of Clematis viticella and Lapageria rosea cultivars |
A tree has fallen on my garden!
"Charlie Pridham" wrote in message ... "Mary Fisher" wrote in message t... "aboleth" wrote in message ps.com... On 20 Sep, 12:15, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Janet Tweedy" wrote in message ... That just wshows how unenlightened are insurance companies. They work on legend rather than research. I've just heard about a house built of wool which has had to be demolished because it's a fire hazard! Wool won't burn, firemen's suits are - or were - made from wool. At the weekend I was wearing felted wool gloves to deal with my fire - the same ones used by blacksmiths. There are too many myths around in our 'progressive' age. Mary I do not know the particular circumstances of the wool house, but your statement that wool will not burn is only partially true, raw wool is highly flammable and burns with intense heat and was considered a dangerous cargo. once washed and fulled or felted then it is indeed fire retardant. It's not the wool which burns in unwashed fleece but the grease. Mary |
A tree has fallen on my garden!
"Mary Fisher" wrote in message t... "Charlie Pridham" wrote in message ... "Mary Fisher" wrote in message t... "aboleth" wrote in message ps.com... On 20 Sep, 12:15, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Janet Tweedy" wrote in message ... That just wshows how unenlightened are insurance companies. They work on legend rather than research. I've just heard about a house built of wool which has had to be demolished because it's a fire hazard! Wool won't burn, firemen's suits are - or were - made from wool. At the weekend I was wearing felted wool gloves to deal with my fire - the same ones used by blacksmiths. There are too many myths around in our 'progressive' age. Mary I do not know the particular circumstances of the wool house, but your statement that wool will not burn is only partially true, raw wool is highly flammable and burns with intense heat and was considered a dangerous cargo. once washed and fulled or felted then it is indeed fire retardant. It's not the wool which burns in unwashed fleece but the grease. Mary A mute point when you are on fire! -- Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of National collections of Clematis viticella and Lapageria rosea cultivars |
A tree has fallen on my garden!
Charlie Pridham wrote:
"Mary Fisher" wrote in message et... It's not the wool which burns in unwashed fleece but the grease. A mute point when you are on fire! Is that one where you don't scream? Perhaps a moot point? Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh. |
A tree has fallen on my garden!
"Chris J Dixon" wrote in message ... Charlie Pridham wrote: "Mary Fisher" wrote in message et... It's not the wool which burns in unwashed fleece but the grease. A mute point when you are on fire! Is that one where you don't scream? Perhaps a moot point? Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh. Thought it didn't look right!! -- Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of National collections of Clematis viticella and Lapageria rosea cultivars |
A tree has fallen on my garden!
wrote in message oups.com... On 20 Sep, 09:56, "Uncle Marvo" wrote: In reply to ) who wrote this in . com, I, Marvo, say : My neighbour has a lovely big black poplar. Last night a big old branch dropped out of hte sky and squashed my garden: http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ The inside of the branch is really rotten: http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ The pale stuff is nice strong wood, the darker brown is just squishy goo. He's a decent chap and immediately accepted responsibility for clearing up. What I'm worried about is how safe the tree is. There are plenty more big branches that could fall on me or my kids, and I'm concerned that the rot might be in other branches. Any tree experts in the house? What needs to be done now? Contact the council. They deal with dangerous trees, and it costs nothing. Well, it costs someone, but it won't cost *you*. Do you suggest this even though it's his tree on private property? I thought it would be a private matter. Tree Protection Officers have juridiction over all trees, in private and public spaces. They can put tree preservation orders on any tree, anywhere, as far as I know. Mature, established trees can be preserved and planning applications rejected to preserve them. In a conservation area rules are even more strict. Allegedly you need permission from the TPO before you prune any large tree. You can (if you feel strongly enough) ask for a tree preservation order on any tree in your area. Doesn't mean you will get it, but if you do get it the tree can't be touched without permission. Cheers Dave R |
A tree has fallen on my garden!
On 20/09/2007 09:56, Uncle Marvo wrote:
In reply to ) who wrote this in , I, Marvo, say : My neighbour has a lovely big black poplar. Last night a big old branch dropped out of hte sky and squashed my garden: Any tree experts in the house? What needs to be done now? Contact the council. They deal with dangerous trees, and it costs nothing. Well, it costs someone, but it won't cost *you*. Essentially this is between the OP and his neighbour, who sounds to be happy to 'do the right thing'. The council will only deal with dangerous trees on private land if it's imminently dangerous and the owner refuses to do anything. In which case any costs will be recovered through from the owner or placed as a land charge on the land. Get a competent consulting arborist to come and have a look - this is not the sort of thing that can be worked out over the internet. It needs someone on site carrying out a detailed inspection and risk assessment. http://www.findtreesurgeons.com/ may provide a local lead -- Find tree care help at http://www.tree-care.info You *don't* want to reply by email |
A tree has fallen on my garden!
"jane" wrote in message ... On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:35:08 +0100, Broadback wrote: ~shazzbat wrote: ~ wrote in message ~ oups.com... ~ My neighbour has a lovely big black poplar. Last night a big old ~ branch dropped out of hte sky and squashed my garden: ~ ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ ~ ~ The inside of the branch is really rotten: ~ ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ ~ ~ The pale stuff is nice strong wood, the darker brown is just squishy ~ goo. ~ ~ He's a decent chap and immediately accepted responsibility for ~ clearing up. What I'm worried about is how safe the tree is. There are ~ plenty more big branches that could fall on me or my kids, and I'm ~ concerned that the rot might be in other branches. ~ ~ Any tree experts in the house? What needs to be done now? ~ ~ ~ Change the setting. 50 is way too much. :-)) ~ ~ Steve ~ ~ ~Get your neighbour to contact his insurance company, they may well be ~happy to pay for someone to come out and declare it safe of not. I had two entwined whitebeams fall on next door in the January gales. They flattened his shed and half the contents (not to mention ruining my shed and the foundations too, and the fence...) . Insurance picked up the tab with no complaints. The trick would be to get a proper registered tree surgeon to come and remove the branch and do an assessment of the rest of it at the same time. Don't get an odd job man as they can't tell if the rest of the tree is likely to go any time soon, though I'd say it's a safe assumption that it is. Winter gales might well finish it off, in who knows which direction? It's sad to lose a tree - I was quite upset as the robins usually built in the ivy and the whole tree was full of wildlife. My replacement shed's further forward so I can get round the back, and up have gone bird boxes :) My problem is a 40' sycamore looming over the house from land adjacent - and not one of the three councils covering my area (town, area and county) want to take responsibility. Write (don't phone) to all three councils, asking who is responsible for the safety of the tree. Something along the lines of "Is it you? If not you, who is it? They can't ignore a letter, they have to log it in, then when they've replied, they haven't got the excuse "We didn't know about it" Steve |
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A tree has fallen on my garden!
On 20 Sep, 09:45, wrote:
My neighbour has a lovely big black poplar. Last night a big old branch dropped out of hte sky and squashed my garden: http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ The inside of the branch is really rotten: http://www.flickr.com/photos/1384782...n/photostream/ The pale stuff is nice strong wood, the darker brown is just squishy goo. He's a decent chap and immediately accepted responsibility for clearing up. What I'm worried about is how safe the tree is. There are plenty more big branches that could fall on me or my kids, and I'm concerned that the rot might be in other branches. Any tree experts in the house? What needs to be done now? Thanks John Just an update as you were all so helpful. The tree surgeon hired by my neighbour has recommended the whole crown is removed and the trunk reduced to 15 feet. He says it should grow back, but this will leave it with no branches at all so I guess it will be a slow process. Neighbour is sad, so are we, but it's better than having a branch fall on us. The tree surgeon did some pruning of our Rubinia while he was there, saving me a job (though he was a lot more severe than I would have been!). |
A tree has fallen on my garden!
On 28/9/07 12:50, in article
, "aboleth" wrote: snip Just an update as you were all so helpful. The tree surgeon hired by my neighbour has recommended the whole crown is removed and the trunk reduced to 15 feet. He says it should grow back, but this will leave it with no branches at all so I guess it will be a slow process. Neighbour is sad, so are we, but it's better than having a branch fall on us. The tree surgeon did some pruning of our Rubinia while he was there, saving me a job (though he was a lot more severe than I would have been!). Your neighbour might like to retain the stump (if it's not rotten) and grow something like a rose or clematis up it. That way he has a lovely natural climbing frame and his tree is still part of his garden but in a new role. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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