Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
On Oct 4, 11:55 am, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
In article , Stewart Robert Hinsley writes: | | I can't get past the front page either - while there is a way past the | Flash animation this doesn't work for me. I suspect that this is due to | the use of JavaScript in the web page. (Unnecessary use of JavaScript | seems to be a least as common a sin as unnecessary use of Flash.) Yes :-( I have seen pages where the menu item to select the text-only pages was encoded as a Flash image, and ones where the item to select no JavaScript was handled by JavaScript. D'oh. To be fair to the OP, when one is young and discovering all the sexy software available, it's easy to get carried away with what those packages allow you to do by way of sparkly twinkly displays. I used to use lots of animations in Powerpoint. I have come back to mucho pared down presentations, which give information without distraction. Good design must be uncluttered and functional. That also applies to website design. I have a funny feeling that one of the reasons why I can't get into the website is because my security system registers it as potentially non-secure - quite possibly because of excessive bells and whistles. It would not be the first time. That too excludes a whole pile of potential customers. But I am sure this future pro designer will learn all this in time - maybe even with a little help from this thread. Cat(h) Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Hi, thanks for all of your messages!
First of all, thankyou for pointing out the spelling mistakes. I know they are there and will be proof reading and correcting them as soon as possible. Having lots of work to do and no internet access at home means these things happen :) Also, im not a web designer by any means, this is my first attempt at a website. Although I am happy to take critisism (I know the site isnt perfect), im just happy to have achieved anything at all! Just as a note, the website wont work unless you have flash on your computer. As for my design specialism, I am a '3D Designer', which basically means I can design a pretty broad range of products. I am not an engineer or an architect however, so the boundaries are only with what I have the skills to do. Thankyou for reponses so far on my website, if anyone else has suggestions or thoughts for products that could be good for gardeners or any other ideas, please dont hesitate to contact me. Holly. |
Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
In message , Sacha
writes On 4/10/07 11:25, in article , "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote: In message .com, "Cat(h)" writes On Oct 3, 10:15 pm, David in Normandy wrote: In article , Sacha says... On 3/10/07 16:44, in article , "Nick Maclaren" wrote: In article . com, "Cat(h)" writes: | | I can't get in. I get a blank page with in the corner a barely | visible "loading..." thingy that keeps ticking away and getting | nowhere. I can reach it, but it is total junk. I am not a flasher, and can't be bothered to reverse engineer misdesigned Web nonsense unless I have a very good reason to. I don't think it's junk but I think it needs careful proof-reading by someone other than its designer. There are spelling and punctuation mistakes as in 'accidently' instead of 'accidentally' and 'your' when it should be 'you're'. Small things but not confidence inspiring if repetitive. I agree about the spelling. In a former life I received lots of job applications from people. Some people had several spelling mistakes on the envelope (before even getting to the CV). For example spelling the name of the company and town incorrectly. Others had the most appalling, illegible hand writing on the envelope. In work where accuracy, clarity and communication (both written and verbal) is important this eliminated them before even opening the envelope and reading their CV. Also, a surprisingly high number of people gave out-of-date or badly spelled email addresses on their CV. On several occasions, people that were sent interview invitations never received them due to this. The emails bounced back to me because the email address given in the CV was not valid. When needing to filter out lots of applicants for one position, such carelessness on job applications proved to be one way of eliminating candidates. Obviously it depended on the job. A Mike mentioned, a cleaner would not be eliminated on the basis of their spelling. Though, it could lead to signs on the toilet doors saying "Bog is art a horder" :-) And why miss out on such poetry? But seriously, I think it should be taken as constructive criticism by the OP, who is after all intending to make a living out of "designing" things that are useful to people, that the website he/she uses to advertise her/his wares puts off at least some people, and therefore potential customers. I still can't get in, by the way. I suspect my system here is allergic to it. Cat(h) I can't get past the front page either - while there is a way past the Flash animation this doesn't work for me. I suspect that this is due to the use of JavaScript in the web page. (Unnecessary use of JavaScript seems to be a least as common a sin as unnecessary use of Flash.) Oh dear - time for me to display my absysmal ignorance. I don't know what Flash is and have only the most tenuous grasp of Java. Can you explain, please? I can get into the whole of the site, BTW. Flash is a browser plugin that displays (possibly interactive) animations (.swf files). It is often misused to display static images. (If you want to use part of static images as links the appropriate method is to use the MAP feature of HTML. I don't know how dangerous Flash is - for all I know it might be properly sandboxed[1] and robustly designed against buffer overrun attacks[2] and other exploits[3] - but it seems to be disabled when other active content is disabled. (In general allowing web sites to execute arbitrary software on your computer is a bad idea.) JavaScript is not the same as Java. There is a connection in that JavaScript supports scripting of Java applets, but the relationship is much more tenuous that the names suggest. JavaScript is a client side scripting language. The proper use of JavaScript is for interactive web sites (to save on bandwidth and server CPU cycles). (I think that JavaScript can also be used as server side scripting language, but PHP, PERL, ASP, etc, are more commonly used for that purpose.) Both Java Applets and JavaScript are supposed to be properly sandboxed. [1] sandboxed - confined to using a reduced set of the capabilities of your computer so that it can do any harm if it is maliciously or incompetently programmed. [2] buffer overrun attack - in an insufficiently defensively programmed piece of software a malicious user can write, say, 110 characters where only 100 is allowed for. This overwrites other data; depending on what the data is it can have severe effects. [3] exploit - a means of defeating the security features of a computer. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... One of the standard principles of user interface design (which predates the Internet) is that the first page or pages should be simple, and need as few resources as possible. Her first page is quite simple - just an enter button (ok so I haven't checked how thats implimented). This isn't just for people on the other end of lengths of wet string or behind paranoid firewalls, but is needed to make it accessible to disabled people. Agreed. |
Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
Anyone else actually sent an idea?
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Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
In article , Sacha writes: | | Oh dear - time for me to display my absysmal ignorance. I don't know what | Flash is and have only the most tenuous grasp of Java. Can you explain, | please? I can get into the whole of the site, BTW. I fail to see why anyone should be required to know about those disgusting minutiae, but they do :-( Anyway: Flash (or ShockWave Flash) is an application that bolts into your browser to display cartoons. It is considerably less heavyweight than a video add-on, but more so than a static graphic one (such as one for JPEG, as with files like fruitflies.jpg). Java is a general-purpose, fully-functional scripting language and has nothing to do with JavaScript, but can be used in the same way. It is considerably less repulsive and more secure. JavaScript is a hacked-up scripting language that bolts into your browser to allow the Web server you are visiting to do horrible things to your computer (i.e. run programs on it). You had better pray that either it wasn't written by a malicious hacker or that your local JavaScript interpreter is tolerably secure. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
In message . com,
"Cat(h)" writes On Oct 4, 11:55 am, (Nick Maclaren) wrote: In article , Stewart Robert Hinsley writes: | | I can't get past the front page either - while there is a way past the | Flash animation this doesn't work for me. I suspect that this is due to | the use of JavaScript in the web page. (Unnecessary use of JavaScript | seems to be a least as common a sin as unnecessary use of Flash.) Yes :-( I have seen pages where the menu item to select the text-only pages was encoded as a Flash image, and ones where the item to select no JavaScript was handled by JavaScript. D'oh. To be fair to the OP, when one is young and discovering all the sexy software available, it's easy to get carried away with what those packages allow you to do by way of sparkly twinkly displays. I used to use lots of animations in Powerpoint. I have come back to mucho pared down presentations, which give information without distraction. Good design must be uncluttered and functional. That also applies to website design. I have a funny feeling that one of the reasons why I can't get into the website is because my security system registers it as potentially non-secure - quite possibly because of excessive bells and whistles. It would not be the first time. That too excludes a whole pile of potential customers. But I am sure this future pro designer will learn all this in time - maybe even with a little help from this thread. Cat(h) Also, it at least used to be the case that some "leading" web design software was designed to produce bad web pages - early versions of MS FrontPage were notorious. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
"CWatters" wrote in message ... Anyone else actually sent an idea? Yes. Something which once designed and worked out how to make it could go to China for manufacture. I have not found a way to make a one off for 'proto type' and failed to do 'field trials' a few years back when it rose very high in an Innovative Awards Scheme run by a major leading company. The lack of 'field trials' barred it from further advancement into the finals. The Patent has now run out as I only took a temporary at the time. Mike -- www.rneba.org.uk for the latest pictures of the very first reunion and Inaugural General Meeting. Nothing less than a fantastic success. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association. 'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy www.rneba.org.uk to find your ex-Greenie mess mates www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly "Navy Days" Portsmouth 25th - 27th July 2008. RN Shipmates will have a Stand |
Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
On 4/10/07 12:21, in article , "Nick
Maclaren" wrote: In article , Sacha writes: | | Oh dear - time for me to display my absysmal ignorance. I don't know what | Flash is and have only the most tenuous grasp of Java. Can you explain, | please? I can get into the whole of the site, BTW. I fail to see why anyone should be required to know about those disgusting minutiae, but they do :-( Anyway: Flash (or ShockWave Flash) is an application that bolts into your browser to display cartoons. It is considerably less heavyweight than a video add-on, but more so than a static graphic one (such as one for JPEG, as with files like fruitflies.jpg). Java is a general-purpose, fully-functional scripting language and has nothing to do with JavaScript, but can be used in the same way. It is considerably less repulsive and more secure. JavaScript is a hacked-up scripting language that bolts into your browser to allow the Web server you are visiting to do horrible things to your computer (i.e. run programs on it). You had better pray that either it wasn't written by a malicious hacker or that your local JavaScript interpreter is tolerably secure. Regards, Nick Maclaren. Thanks, Nick. I don't see any Flash on Holly's site, so perhaps that's because I use a Mac. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
On 4/10/07 12:23, in article , "Stewart Robert
Hinsley" wrote: In message . com, "Cat(h)" writes On Oct 4, 11:55 am, (Nick Maclaren) wrote: In article , Stewart Robert Hinsley writes: | | I can't get past the front page either - while there is a way past the | Flash animation this doesn't work for me. I suspect that this is due to | the use of JavaScript in the web page. (Unnecessary use of JavaScript | seems to be a least as common a sin as unnecessary use of Flash.) Yes :-( I have seen pages where the menu item to select the text-only pages was encoded as a Flash image, and ones where the item to select no JavaScript was handled by JavaScript. D'oh. To be fair to the OP, when one is young and discovering all the sexy software available, it's easy to get carried away with what those packages allow you to do by way of sparkly twinkly displays. I used to use lots of animations in Powerpoint. I have come back to mucho pared down presentations, which give information without distraction. Good design must be uncluttered and functional. That also applies to website design. I have a funny feeling that one of the reasons why I can't get into the website is because my security system registers it as potentially non-secure - quite possibly because of excessive bells and whistles. It would not be the first time. That too excludes a whole pile of potential customers. But I am sure this future pro designer will learn all this in time - maybe even with a little help from this thread. Cat(h) Also, it at least used to be the case that some "leading" web design software was designed to produce bad web pages - early versions of MS FrontPage were notorious. And I suppose it's possible that part of the brief from her course was to design a page using all the bolt-on goodies. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
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Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
On 4/10/07 12:14, in article , "Stewart Robert
Hinsley" wrote: snip Flash is a browser plugin that displays (possibly interactive) animations (.swf files). It is often misused to display static images. (If you want to use part of static images as links the appropriate method is to use the MAP feature of HTML. I don't know how dangerous Flash is - for all I know it might be properly sandboxed[1] and robustly designed against buffer overrun attacks[2] and other exploits[3] - but it seems to be disabled when other active content is disabled. (In general allowing web sites to execute arbitrary software on your computer is a bad idea.) JavaScript is not the same as Java. There is a connection in that JavaScript supports scripting of Java applets, but the relationship is much more tenuous that the names suggest. JavaScript is a client side scripting language. The proper use of JavaScript is for interactive web sites (to save on bandwidth and server CPU cycles). (I think that JavaScript can also be used as server side scripting language, but PHP, PERL, ASP, etc, are more commonly used for that purpose.) Both Java Applets and JavaScript are supposed to be properly sandboxed. [1] sandboxed - confined to using a reduced set of the capabilities of your computer so that it can do any harm if it is maliciously or incompetently programmed. [2] buffer overrun attack - in an insufficiently defensively programmed piece of software a malicious user can write, say, 110 characters where only 100 is allowed for. This overwrites other data; depending on what the data is it can have severe effects. [3] exploit - a means of defeating the security features of a computer. I don't think I'd grasped how dangerous it is out there!! I'm extremely cautious about emails with attachments but this sounds v. worrying! Thank you for bothering to go into all this, though. I'm beginning to get a faint grasp of the essentials. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
On Oct 4, 12:40 pm, Sacha wrote:
On 4/10/07 12:23, in article , "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote: In message . com, "Cat(h)" writes On Oct 4, 11:55 am, (Nick Maclaren) wrote: In article , Stewart Robert Hinsley writes: | | I can't get past the front page either - while there is a way past the | Flash animation this doesn't work for me. I suspect that this is due to | the use of JavaScript in the web page. (Unnecessary use of JavaScript | seems to be a least as common a sin as unnecessary use of Flash.) Yes :-( I have seen pages where the menu item to select the text-only pages was encoded as a Flash image, and ones where the item to select no JavaScript was handled by JavaScript. D'oh. To be fair to the OP, when one is young and discovering all the sexy software available, it's easy to get carried away with what those packages allow you to do by way of sparkly twinkly displays. I used to use lots of animations in Powerpoint. I have come back to mucho pared down presentations, which give information without distraction. Good design must be uncluttered and functional. That also applies to website design. I have a funny feeling that one of the reasons why I can't get into the website is because my security system registers it as potentially non-secure - quite possibly because of excessive bells and whistles. It would not be the first time. That too excludes a whole pile of potential customers. But I am sure this future pro designer will learn all this in time - maybe even with a little help from this thread. Cat(h) Also, it at least used to be the case that some "leading" web design software was designed to produce bad web pages - early versions of MS FrontPage were notorious. And I suppose it's possible that part of the brief from her course was to design a page using all the bolt-on goodies. A sort of "how not to do it" project? Maybe the entire purpose of her post here is to get hammered by Microsoftophobes and other insufferable techies, to prove that a good website is a plain and simple one :-) Poor thing! I'd love it if she could design me a hoe that weeds in a permanent fashion. Her fortune would be made. Cat(h) |
Can I design something that will be useful while gardening?
"designmea" wrote in message ... Hi, im a final year 3D Design student at University College Falmouth in Cornwall. Im looking for my next project, and was wondering if anyone on this forum would be willing to help me out? Well as you will have seen Holly, in general........ 'no'. :-(( Im looking for someone to design something for. This person doesnt neccessarily have to have a product in mind, they just need to be willing to share a little information about their lifestyle and interests, gardening for example! You will have noticed that gardening has come very low on the list of replies. I agree it was a 'for example' so you no doubt expected it to be low on suggestions. However the suggestion I have emaile you will give you a bit of headscraching to do :-) Please have a look at my website for more details: Now this is where the urglers have really gone to town. They have NOT grasped that you are not asking for critisism about your website. They feel that you should re design it to their liking!! But here you have a couple of problems. 1. You are not a web designer and you are NOT asking people to design their website and 2. There are so many argumentative people here, you will NEVER EVER design a web site to please all of them. www.designmea.moonfruit.com Is a site which is satisfactory to you and passes the message out that you are looking for something to design. You achieved number one in selling, Attention. number two is interest. Unfortunatley, the subscribers to this newsgroup found something else to 'interest' them ......... having a go at you!! Join the club!! Or contact me through this forum! Be brave Holly, stick your head above the parapet and face them :-)) but don't take it in a 'personal' manner. They are ALL experts at everything and were all born with the knowledge they have now. Just envy them, .... or not as the case may be :-)) Thanks, Holly Best wishes for your future and face the 'human challenge's as part of life :-)) Mike -- www.rneba.org.uk for the latest pictures of the very first reunion and Inaugural General Meeting. Nothing less than a fantastic success. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association. 'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy www.rneba.org.uk to find your ex-Greenie mess mates www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly "Navy Days" Portsmouth 25th - 27th July 2008. RN Shipmates will have a Stand |
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