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On Oct 13, 2:57 pm, "BIC" wrote:
http://www.daj.fseltd.btinternet.co.uk/nametheseed.htm what is this tree is outside a local shop in Hampshire UK dj Plane (Platanus). Des |
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writes http://www.daj.fseltd.btinternet.co.uk/nametheseed.htm what is this tree is outside a local shop in Hampshire UK dj Platanus. The usual one planted is Platanus x hispanica (London Plane) and I don't have any reason to doubt that it is this. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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On 13/10/07 14:57, in article , "BIC"
wrote: http://www.daj.fseltd.btinternet.co.uk/nametheseed.htm what is this tree is outside a local shop in Hampshire UK dj A plane tree, I'd say - Acer platanus. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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"BIC" wrote in message ... http://www.daj.fseltd.btinternet.co.uk/nametheseed.htm what is this tree is outside a local shop in Hampshire UK dj I have never heard of the Plane Tree nor has my father in law who asked me to find out what it was and he's been on the land, gardening, for 60 years..............many thanks all. |
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On Oct 13, 3:37 pm, "BIC" wrote:
"BIC" wrote in message ... http://www.daj.fseltd.btinternet.co.uk/nametheseed.htm what is this tree is outside a local shop in Hampshire UK dj I have never heard of the Plane Tree nor has my father in law who asked me to find out what it was and he's been on the land, gardening, for 60 years..............many thanks all. London and Paris streets have huge numbers of them; O'Connell Street in Dublin used to have a line down the centre of the street; the Canal du Midi in France has both banks with a line of 300 year old ones from one end to the other; They have sycamore/maple like leaves but the bark peels in big patches giving it a blotchy look. Des |
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writes On 13/10/07 14:57, in article , "BIC" wrote: http://www.daj.fseltd.btinternet.co.uk/nametheseed.htm what is this tree is outside a local shop in Hampshire UK dj A plane tree, I'd say - Acer platanus. There is an Acer plantanoides (Norway Maple) and an Acer pseudoplatanus (Sycamore, known as Plane in Scotland), and the leaves of the former even look like those of the Plane, but both maples have the usual maple type fruit. Planes and Maples are not closely related. Planes are allied with Proteas and Lotuses in one of the basal lineages of the eudicots, and Maples are Malvids, and belong to the same order as citrus, mahogany, horse chestnut and poison ivy, inter alia. There's not much living that looks much like a Plane, but the group was more diverse in the geological past. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
Platinus x hispanica would be my guess.
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On 13 Oct, 15:37, "BIC" wrote:
I have never heard of the Plane Tree nor has my father in law who asked me to find out what it was and he's been on the land, gardening, for 60 years..............many thanks all. They are reputed to have a very high tolerance for pollution, or even to remove it from the air. I have never found a scientific reference for this. But that is why it is known as the London Plane, because the london squares have so many of them. There is no real association with London apart from that, the earliest known description of the hybrid is from 17th C spain. I suspect that Kew may have had something to do with the plantings in London. When used in fretwork or decorative woodcarving it is known as "lacewood" because of the open grain - it is useless for exterior work but can be very attractive in small treen. There is an australian hardwood also known as Lacewood, which is much more versatile. Plane wood was popular for pencil cases and similar items that are of low value and might be discarded without much concern. |
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wrote in message ps.com... On 13 Oct, 15:37, "BIC" wrote: I have never heard of the Plane Tree nor has my father in law who asked me to find out what it was and he's been on the land, gardening, for 60 years..............many thanks all. They are reputed to have a very high tolerance for pollution, or even to remove it from the air. I have never found a scientific reference for this. But that is why it is known as the London Plane, because the london squares have so many of them. There is no real association with London apart from that, the earliest known description of the hybrid is from 17th C spain. I suspect that Kew may have had something to do with the plantings in London. They are also very tolerant of large branches being cut back very hard, and will produce copious numbers of shoots just back from the cut point, meaning that they can be controlled very well in an urban / street environment |
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writes The message from Stewart Robert Hinsley contains these words: There is an Acer plantanoides (Norway Maple) and an Acer pseudoplatanus (Sycamore, known as Plane in Scotland), It is? First I've ever heard of it, but then I've only lived in Scotland for sixty-five years... I must admit that I always knew it as Sycamore, even during the 15+ years I lived in Scotland, but Mitchell, for example, gives Plane. Some online citations http://www.forestry.gov.uk/forestry/INFD-6UEJB9 http://www.the-tree.org.uk/BritishTr.../sycamorec.htm http://www.historic-scotland.gov.uk/...arch_more_info. htm?PageID=2263&bool=0&more_info=Site&r=Orkney+Isl es&s= http://www.corstorphine-trust.ukgo.c...ycamoreTree.ht ml http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=plane I'm open to the possibility that plane as a term for sycamore is dying out (compare the replacement of mountain ash by rowan; you hardly see the former nowadays, but it was the name I knew as a child.) -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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In article , Stewart Robert Hinsley writes: | | I must admit that I always knew it as Sycamore, even during the 15+ | years I lived in Scotland, but Mitchell, for example, gives Plane. Well, there is more variation between Scottish dialects than there is between Edinburgh and London 'establishment English'! | I'm open to the possibility that plane as a term for sycamore is dying | out (compare the replacement of mountain ash by rowan; you hardly see | the former nowadays, but it was the name I knew as a child.) And I (and that's dying out, too). And there are lots of other examples. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
In message , Anne Jackson writes The message from Stewart Robert Hinsley contains these words: There is an Acer plantanoides (Norway Maple) and an Acer pseudoplatanus (Sycamore, known as Plane in Scotland), It is? First I've ever heard of it, but then I've only lived in Scotland for sixty-five years... I must admit that I always knew it as Sycamore, even during the 15+ years I lived in Scotland, but Mitchell, for example, gives Plane. But isn't sycamore a different variation of maple and not the same as plane? David -- David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK http://www.mesnil.demon.co.uk |
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writes On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote: In message , Anne Jackson writes The message from Stewart Robert Hinsley contains these words: There is an Acer plantanoides (Norway Maple) and an Acer pseudoplatanus (Sycamore, known as Plane in Scotland), It is? First I've ever heard of it, but then I've only lived in Scotland for sixty-five years... I must admit that I always knew it as Sycamore, even during the 15+ years I lived in Scotland, but Mitchell, for example, gives Plane. But isn't sycamore a different variation of maple and not the same as plane? David Sycamore is Ficus sycamorus (in the Bible), Acer pseudoplatanus (in Britain) or Platanus spp. (In America) Plane is Platanus spp. (Generally) or Acer pseudoplatanus (in Scotland - and it is also said Northern England). In my opinion Acer platanoides and Acer saccharum look more like planes than does Acer pseudoplatanus, but likely those species were ever rarer in Scotland when the name got transferred. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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In article , Stewart Robert Hinsley writes: | | Sycamore is Ficus sycamorus (in the Bible), Acer pseudoplatanus (in | Britain) or Platanus spp. (In America) | | Plane is Platanus spp. (Generally) or Acer pseudoplatanus (in Scotland - | and it is also said Northern England). | | In my opinion Acer platanoides and Acer saccharum look more like planes | than does Acer pseudoplatanus, but likely those species were ever rarer | in Scotland when the name got transferred. Yes. And, as almost all of us agree, if you want to be precise about species, use the proper scientific Botanical Latin name. English is an imprecise, mutable, context-dependent language - love it or loathe it, but live with it, anyway, you aren't going to change it! On this group, we quite happily flip between English and Botanical Latin, and there are a dozen friendly people like Stewart happy to translate. Insofar as it is possible :-) Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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