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Leaf drop on new holly
Hi, I wonder can anyone help me? I have a Blue Princess holly and a J.C. Van Tol that I planted in two different areas of my newly created garden in May. Unfortunately over the summer they both have lost some leaves, leaving them a bit leggy. Any ideas why this would have happened? Will the leaves grow back next year or will I be left with leggy plants? Should I prune them? (They were bought with the root ball wrapped in hessian, which I planted intact as I'd heard that hollies don't like their roots being disturbed.)
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Leaf drop on new holly
In article , Sacha
writes The answer was 'no' because the roots are constricted. While the soil is still warm, resurrect the hollies, take off the hessian and replant the hollies, Sacha. if you wanted standard hollies would it be wiser to grow them first in the soil then transplanted them to the eventual pot when they had reached their desired height? -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
Leaf drop on new holly
On 15/10/07 18:06, in article , "Janet
Tweedy" wrote: In article , Sacha writes The answer was 'no' because the roots are constricted. While the soil is still warm, resurrect the hollies, take off the hessian and replant the hollies, Sacha. if you wanted standard hollies would it be wiser to grow them first in the soil then transplanted them to the eventual pot when they had reached their desired height? I've never done this Janet, so I asked Ray. He says start them in the pots selecting plants with strong leaders and stems. I'm assuming you want to keep them potted? If not, plant them out once they're 3'-4' tall, says R. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
Leaf drop on new holly
On Oct 14, 9:19 pm, BlueFlower
wrote: Hi, I wonder can anyone help me? I have a Blue Princess holly and a J.C. Van Tol that I planted in two different areas of my newly created garden in May. Unfortunately over the summer they both have lost some leaves, leaving them a bit leggy. Any ideas why this would have happened? Will the leaves grow back next year or will I be left with leggy plants? Should I prune them? (They were bought with the root ball wrapped in hessian, which I planted intact as I'd heard that hollies don't like their roots being disturbed.) You should have removed the hessian and teased out some of the roots, making a hole large enough to make sure the roots would have plenty of space to grow. Also yellowing of the leaves sounds to me that they also might not be in a well drained environment. Now would be a good time to pull them out and start again. How tall are they, how old and are they in full sun? |
Leaf drop on new holly
On 15/10/07 22:58, in article
, " wrote: On Oct 14, 9:19 pm, BlueFlower wrote: Hi, I wonder can anyone help me? I have a Blue Princess holly and a J.C. Van Tol that I planted in two different areas of my newly created garden in May. Unfortunately over the summer they both have lost some leaves, leaving them a bit leggy. Any ideas why this would have happened? Will the leaves grow back next year or will I be left with leggy plants? Should I prune them? (They were bought with the root ball wrapped in hessian, which I planted intact as I'd heard that hollies don't like their roots being disturbed.) You should have removed the hessian and teased out some of the roots, making a hole large enough to make sure the roots would have plenty of space to grow. Also yellowing of the leaves sounds to me that they also might not be in a well drained environment. Now would be a good time to pull them out and start again. How tall are they, how old and are they in full sun? Hollies grow in sun and in shade. Also, I think the problem here is that the roots have had nowhere to go, so couldn't pick up any nutrients at an important stage in their development, i.e. adjusting to their new environment. If they've been bundled up in hessian, no, they're not in a well-drained environment!! They are in a soggy mass of sacking, holding in water, that is not going to drain any better as winter sets in. Not disturbing the roots means digging them up and moving them to another location at some point. It doesn't mean merely releasing them from the container in which you received them. While it's important to keep newly planted things well-watered in dry spells, it's also important to be sure that they drain, too. Very few plants like to have their roots standing in water most of the time and that is a big plant killer. Note to original poster: don't 'pull' them out - they're already under stress. Lift them out carefully with a fork that you have carefully inserted away from and well under the hessian ball, take off the hessian, re-plant. Teasing the roots out is up to you, as I said earlier - opinions differ on that one. They don't like lime soils but if you bought them locally, it's to be hoped you got them from somewhere that caters to your area. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
Leaf drop on new holly
On 15 Oct, 23:21, Sacha wrote:
Hollies grow in sun and in shade. Also, I think the problem here is that the roots have had nowhere to go, so couldn't pick up any nutrients at an important stage in their development, i.e. adjusting to their new environment. There is a fungi disease that is serious if the tree is in damp and shade and which attack the leaves and then the twigs. If the tree is kept at the base to light and with plenty of air it will thrive, hence my question about sun or shade. I am not entirely sure that BlueFlower has kept the hessian bag on - I feel we can only speculate from her post. If we also know the age, and possibly the species, it sometimes can help identifying the problems. I'm thinking about variegated variety which looses lots of leaves in the autumn like the altaclenris - there's one in a garden nearby with all the leaves at the base totally yellow/white. This is not a disease but merely the chlorophyl not doing it's thing under a very thick canopy. Which reminds me I've always wanted the 'hedgehog' one - something I'd like to train as a standard possibly. Since I've cleared up our 20m high holy from it's dusty horrible base of dead branches etc. the bark underneath is beautiful - a green that shine even in the deepest, greyest, 'orrible northern winter's day :o) |
Leaf drop on new holly
In article , Sacha
writes I've never done this Janet, so I asked Ray. He says start them in the pots selecting plants with strong leaders and stems. I'm assuming you want to keep them potted? Yes I would like them potted it was just that I thought from your other email that they might get to the desired height quicker if I put them in the soil for a couple of years! It's cheaper to grow my own than buy them..... -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
Leaf drop on new holly
On Oct 16, 12:53 pm, Janet Tweedy wrote:
Yes I would like them potted it was just that I thought from your other email that they might get to the desired height quicker if I put them in the soil for a couple of years! It's cheaper to grow my own than buy them..... -- Stuff in my garden grow much much better in the soil than in pots. I have a holly that I moved, and it came to no harm whatsoever. I've just moved it again and so far it seems fine. |
Leaf drop on new holly
On 16/10/07 12:45, in article
, " wrote: On 15 Oct, 23:21, Sacha wrote: Hollies grow in sun and in shade. Also, I think the problem here is that the roots have had nowhere to go, so couldn't pick up any nutrients at an important stage in their development, i.e. adjusting to their new environment. There is a fungi disease that is serious if the tree is in damp and shade and which attack the leaves and then the twigs. If the tree is kept at the base to light and with plenty of air it will thrive, hence my question about sun or shade. I am not entirely sure that BlueFlower has kept the hessian bag on - I feel we can only speculate from her post. I cannot see anything speculative in: "They were bought with the root ball wrapped in hessian, which I planted intact as I'd heard that hollies don't like their roots being disturbed." snip -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
Leaf drop on new holly
Sacha wrote:
I cannot see anything speculative in: "They were bought with the root ball wrapped in hessian, which I planted intact as I'd heard that hollies don't like their roots being disturbed." snip but the removal of Hessian wrapping is not so clear cut as you suggest : See http://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile...ootwrapped.asp pk |
Leaf drop on new holly
In article , Sacha
writes I cannot see anything speculative in: "They were bought with the root ball wrapped in hessian, which I planted intact as I'd heard that hollies don't like their roots being disturbed." I assumed the same thing Sacha. I'm sure the OP wouldn't have considered 'unintacting' the actual roots themselves! -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
Leaf drop on new holly
In article , p.k.
writes but the removal of Hessian wrapping is not so clear cut as you suggest : See http://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile...ootwrapped.asp pk The RHS text says for 'placement' in hole, only, not leaving it there and backfilling! The builders at a house we used to lives at some years ago had left the hessian sack on every one of a row of conifers in the garden. Luckily it killed the conifers stone dead after three years as they couldn't fight their way out of the sacking:) -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
Leaf drop on new holly
On 16/10/07 16:16, in article , "Janet
Tweedy" wrote: In article , Sacha writes I cannot see anything speculative in: "They were bought with the root ball wrapped in hessian, which I planted intact as I'd heard that hollies don't like their roots being disturbed." I assumed the same thing Sacha. I'm sure the OP wouldn't have considered 'unintacting' the actual roots themselves! It sounds a bit like Peonies which everyone 'knows' can't bear to be disturbed and yet, how many of us know people who have happily dug up theirs and moved them around the garden, only to have them flourish next year?! I asked Ray about starting your hollies off in the ground and then potting them up. He says you can always try it but feels you'll get healthier plants in the end if they start their lives in pots and remain that way. If you have a number to 'play' with, would it be worth experimenting? -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
Leaf drop on new holly
On Oct 16, 2:05 pm, Sacha wrote:
I cannot see anything speculative in: "They were bought with the root ball wrapped in hessian, which I planted intact as I'd heard that hollies don't like their roots being disturbed." You may be right. I just find it a bit strange. I wouldn't have done it. That's why I want to know how old are these hollies and confirmation from BlueFlower. Where is she?! |
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