On Dec 3, 1:39 pm, "Cat(h)" wrote:
On Dec 2, 5:59 pm, Sacha wrote:





On 2/12/07 17:51, in article
t, "Sally Thompson"

wrote:
On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 16:46:17 +0000, Sacha wrote
(in article ) :

On 2/12/07 14:30, in article
t, "Sally Thompson"
wrote:

On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 10:04:54 +0000, Nick Maclaren wrote
(in article ):

snip

1) Using characters that have no representation in ASCII
(1/2 being one, pound being another). If it isn't on the main
part of your keyboard in either unshifted or prime shift form,
don't use it (e.g. don't use Alt). And don't use pound on a UK
keyboard.

Which is why you will notice the frequent use of GBP in place of the pound
sign on usenet - among those who know :-) You may have realised that on
your
Mac keyboard, Sacha, you can only get the hash sign by using Alt/Option + 3
(the hash sign apparently being used by Merkins for the pound sign).

No, I hadn't realised that, so thanks, Sally. I don't think I've ever used
it and as far as I know the £ sign comes through clearly. I'm x-ing my
fingers as I type that. On this new machine's keyboard it's alt+fn=#

Well obviously it shows up correctly to me, but the point is that it wouldn't
necessarily do so to someone with a US (or other than British) keyboard -
because such symbols are in different places on different keyboards. This is
important in an international forum such as usenet. Your keyboard is I assume
set to English layout, so that you do in fact get the pound sign just by
Shift+3.

Hmmmmm - is this where I take up a "Europe cut off my fog" attitude? ;-))

Europe *never* cut off your fog, Sacha, honest ;-)

But seriously, if you want to see mangled, you should try
corresponding with frogs using web-based email. All accents, cedilles
and other items come through as series of letters and other
characters. On one of my accounts, the accented letters are simply
omitted altogether. This makes for pretty interesting reading...

But in essence, I suspect you're right. It was a case of the US (who
seem to have invented most computer language protocol) declaring that
the non-Anglo world was cut off by fog.

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PS - I even forgot to ask what I wanted to ask in the first place:
what are "lightly packed" verbena leaves?
I can see that verbena would give a lovely subtle aroma to all teh
concoctions you posted, including ice cream. I had rose ice cream
once, and it was very subtle and delicious.

Cat(h)

Si $3o&m wrote in :

In message , Nick Maclaren
writes

In article ,
Tom Gardner writes:
|
| Well, I remember the days when 1/2 was a 7-bit character :-)
|
| I remember when they were three 5-bit characters.
| (I don't think they required 5 characters, but I'd
| have to check to be certain)

It depends on which 5-bit code. I can no longer remember either of
the ones I used.

quite a few here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_encoding

No 5 bit codes unless I've missed something.

(Nick Maclaren) wrote in
:


In article ,
Tom Gardner writes:
|
| Well, I remember the days when 1/2 was a 7-bit character :-)
|
| I remember when they were three 5-bit characters.
| (I don't think they required 5 characters, but I'd
| have to check to be certain)

It depends on which 5-bit code. I can no longer remember either of
the ones I used.

Elliott and Ferranti in my case.

I'm still rather pleased that my first machine
code program as a schoolkid was to convert from
one to the other, and in doing so I inadvertently
"invented" FSMs.

I wish graduates were taught about FSMs as being
useful for more than compiler parsing, sigh.

On 3/12/07 13:39, in article
, "Cat(h)"
wrote:

On Dec 2, 5:59 pm, Sacha wrote:
On 2/12/07 17:51, in article
t, "Sally Thompson"





wrote:
On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 16:46:17 +0000, Sacha wrote
(in article ) :

On 2/12/07 14:30, in article
t, "Sally Thompson"
wrote:

On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 10:04:54 +0000, Nick Maclaren wrote
(in article ):

snip

1) Using characters that have no representation in ASCII
(1/2 being one, pound being another). If it isn't on the main
part of your keyboard in either unshifted or prime shift form,
don't use it (e.g. don't use Alt). And don't use pound on a UK
keyboard.

Which is why you will notice the frequent use of GBP in place of the pound
sign on usenet - among those who know :-) You may have realised that on
your
Mac keyboard, Sacha, you can only get the hash sign by using Alt/Option +
3
(the hash sign apparently being used by Merkins for the pound sign).

No, I hadn't realised that, so thanks, Sally. I don't think I've ever used
it and as far as I know the £ sign comes through clearly. I'm x-ing my
fingers as I type that. On this new machine's keyboard it's alt+fn=#

Well obviously it shows up correctly to me, but the point is that it
wouldn't
necessarily do so to someone with a US (or other than British) keyboard -
because such symbols are in different places on different keyboards. This
is
important in an international forum such as usenet. Your keyboard is I
assume
set to English layout, so that you do in fact get the pound sign just by
Shift+3.

Hmmmmm - is this where I take up a "Europe cut off my fog" attitude? ;-))

Europe *never* cut off your fog, Sacha, honest ;-)

Speaking of angled.....'BY fog' - tsk!

But seriously, if you want to see mangled, you should try
corresponding with frogs using web-based email. All accents, cedilles
and other items come through as series of letters and other
characters. On one of my accounts, the accented letters are simply
omitted altogether. This makes for pretty interesting reading...

But in essence, I suspect you're right. It was a case of the US (who
seem to have invented most computer language protocol) declaring that
the non-Anglo world was cut off by fog.

Cat(h)

I can usually find accents if I want to use them, though I must admit it
sometimes takes a while! However, I'm not such a purist that I worry
overmuch about it I must admit.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

On 3/12/07 13:42, in article
, "Cat(h)"
wrote:
snip

PS - I even forgot to ask what I wanted to ask in the first place:
what are "lightly packed" verbena leaves?
I can see that verbena would give a lovely subtle aroma to all teh
concoctions you posted, including ice cream. I had rose ice cream
once, and it was very subtle and delicious.

Cat(h)

I suppose it means not compacted, or pressed down. It's probably a question
of experimentation, too, in terms of intensity of flavour preferred. I made
something using a touch of lavender a while ago and I'm darned if I can
remember what it was now! Someone on the uk.food group gave me the recipe
and it was wonderful. I'd never used lavender as a culinary herb before and
I couldn't believe how subtly delicious it is.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

In message 3, Tom
Gardner writes
Si $3o&m wrote in :

In message , Nick Maclaren
writes

In article ,
Tom Gardner writes:
|
| Well, I remember the days when 1/2 was a 7-bit character :-)
|
| I remember when they were three 5-bit characters.
| (I don't think they required 5 characters, but I'd
| have to check to be certain)

It depends on which 5-bit code. I can no longer remember either of
the ones I used.

quite a few here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_encoding

No 5 bit codes unless I've missed something.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baudot_code

I must be a little younger than Nick; I'm old enough to know of the
existence of Baudot code, but not old enough to have used it. (CDC
7600's and ICL 1900s/2900s used 6 bit codes.)
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote in
:

In message 3, Tom
Gardner writes
Si $3o&m wrote in
:

In message , Nick Maclaren
writes

In article ,
Tom Gardner writes:
|
| Well, I remember the days when 1/2 was a 7-bit character :-)
|
| I remember when they were three 5-bit characters.
| (I don't think they required 5 characters, but I'd
| have to check to be certain)

It depends on which 5-bit code. I can no longer remember either of
the ones I used.

quite a few here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_encoding

No 5 bit codes unless I've missed something.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baudot_code

I must be a little younger than Nick; I'm old enough to know of the
existence of Baudot code, but not old enough to have used it. (CDC
7600's and ICL 1900s/2900s used 6 bit codes.)

Yes, of course, thanks for jogging the memory.

However, I can also claim to be not-wrong since
that page isn't referenced on the character_encoding
page.

But Nick's right; 5 (and 8/7/6) bit codes are a wee
bit off topic for this group!