I heard a little more about this mysterious shrub near Bristol. It is
growing over a 3' high wall, the leaf isn't toothed or in any way other than
an 'ordinary' leaf-shaped leaf (bit like a lemon tree leaf, she said) and
it has tiny thorns about 1cm. long. As they're maturing, the little fruits
are becoming more orange. It definitely isn't the 'stick pumpkin' suggested
a few days ago. Quite rightly, my friend is unhappy about taking photos of
someone else's property without their permission and although she rang the
bell, there was nobody home. If another attempt fails, she'll slip a note
through the door, asking them to ring her if they know the plant's name.
Unfortunately, she thinks it very likely they won't as this is an area of
very old houses where there has been a lot of coming and going over the
years.
If that's the case we'll have to wait until and if, our pips grow into fruit
bearing shrubs.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

In article ,
Sacha writes:
| I heard a little more about this mysterious shrub near Bristol. It is
| growing over a 3' high wall, the leaf isn't toothed or in any way other than
| an 'ordinary' leaf-shaped leaf (bit like a lemon tree leaf, she said) and
| it has tiny thorns about 1cm. long. As they're maturing, the little fruits
| are becoming more orange. It definitely isn't the 'stick pumpkin' suggested
| a few days ago. Quite rightly, my friend is unhappy about taking photos of
| someone else's property without their permission and although she rang the
| bell, there was nobody home. If another attempt fails, she'll slip a note
| through the door, asking them to ring her if they know the plant's name.
| Unfortunately, she thinks it very likely they won't as this is an area of
| very old houses where there has been a lot of coming and going over the
| years.
| If that's the case we'll have to wait until and if, our pips grow into fruit
| bearing shrubs.

It sounds more and more like Chaenomeles, or a very close relative.
But which or what?


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 5/12/07 15:49, in article , "Nick
Maclaren" wrote:


In article ,
Sacha writes:
| I heard a little more about this mysterious shrub near Bristol. It is
| growing over a 3' high wall, the leaf isn't toothed or in any way other
than
| an 'ordinary' leaf-shaped leaf (bit like a lemon tree leaf, she said) and
| it has tiny thorns about 1cm. long. As they're maturing, the little fruits
| are becoming more orange. It definitely isn't the 'stick pumpkin'
suggested
| a few days ago. Quite rightly, my friend is unhappy about taking photos of
| someone else's property without their permission and although she rang the
| bell, there was nobody home. If another attempt fails, she'll slip a note
| through the door, asking them to ring her if they know the plant's name.
| Unfortunately, she thinks it very likely they won't as this is an area of
| very old houses where there has been a lot of coming and going over the
| years.
| If that's the case we'll have to wait until and if, our pips grow into
fruit
| bearing shrubs.

It sounds more and more like Chaenomeles, or a very close relative.
But which or what?


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Exactly. It's driving me mad!
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

In article , Sacha
writes
I heard a little more about this mysterious shrub near Bristol. It is
growing over a 3' high wall, the leaf isn't toothed or in any way other than
an 'ordinary' leaf-shaped leaf (bit like a lemon tree leaf, she said) and
it has tiny thorns about 1cm. long. As they're maturing, the little fruits
are becoming more orange. It definitely isn't the 'stick pumpkin' suggested
a few days ago. Quite rightly, my friend is unhappy about taking photos of
someone else's property without their permission and although she rang the
bell, there was nobody home. If another attempt fails, she'll slip a note
through the door, asking them to ring her if they know the plant's name.
Unfortunately, she thinks it very likely they won't as this is an area of
very old houses where there has been a lot of coming and going over the
years.
If that's the case we'll have to wait until and if, our pips grow into fruit
bearing shrubs.



Can she not nick a leaf or two with the thorn as it won't harm the tree
or anything?

janet
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk...

snip

...we'll have to wait until and if, our pips grow into fruit
bearing shrubs.


Good luck. It only took 10 years for a seed I brought from Réunion in the
Indian Ocean in 1996 to grow into a fruit-bearing tree so that I could
identify it as Syzygium jambos from its flowers.

someone

On 6/12/07 16:40, in article ,
"someone" wrote:


"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk...

snip

...we'll have to wait until and if, our pips grow into fruit
bearing shrubs.


Good luck. It only took 10 years for a seed I brought from Réunion in the
Indian Ocean in 1996 to grow into a fruit-bearing tree so that I could
identify it as Syzygium jambos from its flowers.

Yes, that dreary thought did occur to me. ;-( I just can't think why this
is so hard to pin down. If Nick and others are right and it is a form of
Chaenomeles, why on earth can't we find it?! It's very frustrating.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

In message , Sacha
writes
On 6/12/07 16:40, in article ,
"someone" wrote:


"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk...

snip

...we'll have to wait until and if, our pips grow into fruit
bearing shrubs.


Good luck. It only took 10 years for a seed I brought from Réunion in the
Indian Ocean in 1996 to grow into a fruit-bearing tree so that I could
identify it as Syzygium jambos from its flowers.

Yes, that dreary thought did occur to me. ;-( I just can't think why this
is so hard to pin down. If Nick and others are right and it is a form of
Chaenomeles, why on earth can't we find it?! It's very frustrating.


You could have a look at this description of circa 600 Chaenomeles
cultivars.

http://arnoldia.arboretum.harvard.ed...icles/1590.pdf

There's a dozen or so with fruits described as ribbed or strongly ribbed
(and more as weakly ribbed), and some of these are also described as
apple-shaped, rather than ovoid or orange-shaped. But the plant could be
a seedling, rather than a named variety.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

In article ,
Stewart Robert Hinsley writes:
|
| You could have a look at this description of circa 600 Chaenomeles
| cultivars.
|
| http://arnoldia.arboretum.harvard.ed...icles/1590.pdf

"Knap Hill scarlet" is described as strongly ribbed, and is available
from UK nurserymen.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 6/12/07 17:53, in article , "Nick
Maclaren" wrote:


In article ,
Stewart Robert Hinsley writes:
|
| You could have a look at this description of circa 600 Chaenomeles
| cultivars.
|
| http://arnoldia.arboretum.harvard.ed...icles/1590.pdf

"Knap Hill scarlet" is described as strongly ribbed, and is available
from UK nurserymen.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

But it's not the one. ;-(
I will look through the article that Stewart has linked to but not with much
hope!
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk...
On 6/12/07 17:53, in article , "Nick
Maclaren" wrote:


In article ,
Stewart Robert Hinsley writes:
|
| You could have a look at this description of circa 600 Chaenomeles
| cultivars.
|
| http://arnoldia.arboretum.harvard.ed...icles/1590.pdf

"Knap Hill scarlet" is described as strongly ribbed, and is available
from UK nurserymen.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

But it's not the one. ;-(
I will look through the article that Stewart has linked to but not with
much
hope!
--

I loved the thought that it might be Janet Tweedy's Hawthorn 'Zlat'.

Are you a subscriber to UBC Botanical Gardens plant identification forum?
They've been a lot of help to me over the years.

someone

"Sacha" wrote in message
On 6/12/07 17:53, in article "Nick Maclaren" wrote:
Stewart Robert Hinsley writes:
|
| You could have a look at this description of circa 600 Chaenomeles
| cultivars.
|
| http://arnoldia.arboretum.harvard.ed...icles/1590.pdf

"Knap Hill scarlet" is described as strongly ribbed, and is available
from UK nurserymen.

But it's not the one. ;-(

Has the weather improved at all yet so that the mystery can be cleared up?

I cannot get chaenomeles to bear fruit and would love a fruiting one. At
the moment, I, like it seems others, suspect that your little pumpkin shaped
pome fruit might be in that family and would certainly seek one out if such
proves to be in the case.

On 6/12/07 22:03, in article ,
"someone" wrote:


"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk...
On 6/12/07 17:53, in article , "Nick
Maclaren" wrote:


In article ,
Stewart Robert Hinsley writes:
|
| You could have a look at this description of circa 600 Chaenomeles
| cultivars.
|
| http://arnoldia.arboretum.harvard.ed...icles/1590.pdf

"Knap Hill scarlet" is described as strongly ribbed, and is available
from UK nurserymen.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

But it's not the one. ;-(
I will look through the article that Stewart has linked to but not with
much
hope!
--

I loved the thought that it might be Janet Tweedy's Hawthorn 'Zlat'.

Unfortunately not. I looked at that one, too.

Are you a subscriber to UBC Botanical Gardens plant identification forum?
They've been a lot of help to me over the years.

someone


No, we're not. I'll look into that.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

On 7/12/07 06:33, in article
, "FarmI"
ask@itshall be given wrote:

"Sacha" wrote in message
On 6/12/07 17:53, in article "Nick Maclaren" wrote:
Stewart Robert Hinsley writes:
|
| You could have a look at this description of circa 600 Chaenomeles
| cultivars.
|
| http://arnoldia.arboretum.harvard.ed...icles/1590.pdf

"Knap Hill scarlet" is described as strongly ribbed, and is available
from UK nurserymen.

But it's not the one. ;-(

Has the weather improved at all yet so that the mystery can be cleared up?

I posted saying that the bush has 1cm log thorns on it, 'ordinary' green
leaves and that as they mature, the fruits are becoming more orange in
colour. You might not have seen that post.

I cannot get chaenomeles to bear fruit and would love a fruiting one. At
the moment, I, like it seems others, suspect that your little pumpkin shaped
pome fruit might be in that family and would certainly seek one out if such
proves to be in the case.


Why don't they bear fruit? Ours is just coming into flower, BTW!

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'