I need to bud or graft a rose now, am I better off grafting or budding.

Bell

"Annabel" wrote in message ...
I need to bud or graft a rose now, am I better off grafting or budding.

not much chance of success either way now I'm afraid.

For budding you must have strong new shoots of the current season's wood just at the point when the flower is opening
or no later than when it's just going over - you also need your rootstock growing vigorously and full of sap so you can
open the bark.
Grafting is not usually done with roses anyway but you would need dormant scion wood and stock just starting so you are
too late for that. The only grafting I've done with roses was with the climber 'Mermaid' which doesn't take buds too
well and with miniatures - in each of those cases it is a rather specialised 'green scion' technique. Trying to remember
back about 35 years. We did this in late winter, the stocks were started into growth in a bottom heated frame and in the
meantime potted stock plants were started into growth in strong light and about 20C. When roots were sprouting on the
stocks and soft green shoots were available on the stock plants - just firm enough to handle we were ready to start
grafting. The bare rooted stocks were headed back and the graft was a simple one into a cleft in the bark at the top of
the stock - tied in with a latex strip. The grafts were planted up in deep bottomheated frames until callusing was
visible then they were weaned and potted. The young plants were then lined out in the field in May/June and would be
ready for sale in the Autumn.

Rod

"Annabel" wrote in message
...
I need to bud or graft a rose now, am I better off grafting or
budding.

not much chance of success either way now I'm afraid.

For budding you must have strong new shoots of the current season's
wood just at the point when the flower is opening
or no later than when it's just going over - you also need your
rootstock growing vigorously and full of sap so you can
open the bark.
Grafting is not usually done with roses anyway but you would need
dormant scion wood and stock just starting so you are
too late for that. The only grafting I've done with roses was with the
climber 'Mermaid' which doesn't take buds too
well and with miniatures - in each of those cases it is a rather
specialised 'green scion' technique. Trying to remember
back about 35 years. We did this in late winter, the stocks were
started into growth in a bottom heated frame and in the
meantime potted stock plants were started into growth in strong light
and about 20C. When roots were sprouting on the
stocks and soft green shoots were available on the stock plants - just
firm enough to handle we were ready to start
grafting. The bare rooted stocks were headed back and the graft was a
simple one into a cleft in the bark at the top of
the stock - tied in with a latex strip. The grafts were planted up in
deep bottomheated frames until callusing was
visible then they were weaned and potted. The young plants were then
lined out in the field in May/June and would be
ready for sale in the Autumn.

Rod


Thanks Rod, its just that I have been presented with two flowers (3 buds
total) and asked if I can grow them, they want *this* rose not this
cultivar. I have told them its unlikely especially as the buds in
question are probably not suitable.

Annabel

"Annabel" wrote in message
...

Thanks Rod, its just that I have been presented with two flowers (3 buds
total) and asked if I can grow them, they want *this* rose not this
cultivar. I have told them its unlikely especially as the buds in
question are probably not suitable.

Well if you've got flowers you might stand a chance if you had anything
suitable to bud them onto this early (that's going to be a matter of whether
you can lift the bark without it all breaking up). As you say the buds
immediately below the flower are probably 'blind' anyway but there might be
a useable one further down the stem. We used to expect to find around 5 good
buds on a full length flowering stem.

Rod

"Annabel" wrote in message ...
I need to bud or graft a rose now, am I better off grafting or budding.

Bell

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If you are going to increase modern hybrid tea roses my recommendation
is to bud (T budding). This is best carried out mid to late summer.
The rootstock may be bought in during the winter, or taking a longer
route, may be raised from seed.